Carhartt vs. Timberland Pro
Matt Gabriel, Mad Poet of Newport
involves driving to the middle of nowhere in northern New Enlgand (VT,
ME, NH) to get away from the streetlights, and standing stock still
for hours on end all night long.
I'm gonna need cold weather gear to do this, and I don't have a lot of
money to blow, so a nice set of Filson mackinaws is out of the
equation, as is "Expedition Level" gear from the neon-goretex set. A
Carhartt Arctic coat & bib is $180 or so from Sears, while the
Timberland 4-in-1 coat and 2-in-1 pants are a bit more... $220 for the
combo.
Is the teflon coating and removeable lining worth the extra expense?
Does anyone have one and wish they had the other? I will be using
polypro long johns and "fleece" sweats as the first and second layers
beneath (generic stuff from Campmor). Will I need more layers with one
or the other?
~ Matt Gabriel, Mad Poet
(... and are neoprene socks the first or second layer? Cold feet are
gonna be a big problem, methinks.)
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"Matt Gabriel, Mad Poet of Newport" <itsnot...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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If you are going to be standing still Carhartt is overkill. Carhartt is
durable work clothing. Find a down jacket on sale. Get some of those
chemical heaters you can put in your pockets and boots. Wal-mart sells
them.
Fred Ernst
values on big down jackets for doing what you ask.
Fred
Gary S.
Look at ice fishing gear, which tends to be less expensive, but is
well suited for standing still in extreme cold.
You are right, your feet will be a big concern. Socks alone will not
do the job. I would suggest something like the Sorel-style pac boot or
a snowmobiling boot, with at least a 3/8" thick liner, possibly going
for the 1/2" thick ones. Combine this with decent socks and you may
not need the neoprene. Make certain that you are not restricting your
circulation at all.
They are about the warmest without going to full arctic gear,
comfortable, good for some walking.
Look at the Sorel Caribou for starters at about $100. Some off-brand
ones are even less expensive.
Also, if you are standing still, get a small piece of closed cell foam
to stand on. This will make a big difference.
For clothing, you are on the right track. Multiple layers, wicking
long underwear. As light weight and extreme ruggedness are not
essential for you you can spend much less. Also, as you would go back
inside or to your car if it got stormy, you do not need a major legue
shell of Gore-Tex or whatever, just a wind shell.
Used gear is always an option.
Make sure you can take care of hands and head well, if they get cold
you will be very unhappy.
Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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Matt Gabriel, Mad Poet of Newport
Carhartt and/or Timberland. They cost about as much as snowboarder
stuff, only it looks warmer, will last a few years, won't get ripped
up when setting up/breaking down camp and telescope, and they come in
big sizes. It will also shed water if I need to work in wet snow for
whatever reason. They're also less than half the price of expedition
level cold weather stuff.
As for the boots, I take an odd size (EEEEEE width, 9 long, 13 wide)
so I'm looking at insulated overboots and really nice socks with my
workboots rather than a dedicated winter boot.
~ Matt Gabriel
"Fred Ernst" <fce...@NOcomcastSPAM.net> wrote in message news:<i0wlb.605298$Oz4.627404@rwcrnsc54>...
Ed Huesers
"Matt Gabriel, Mad Poet of Newport" wrote:
> I'm viciously allergic to down. Windproof + insulated is key... hence
> Carhartt and/or Timberland. They cost about as much as snowboarder
> stuff, only it looks warmer, will last a few years, won't get ripped
> up when setting up/breaking down camp and telescope, and they come in
> big sizes. It will also shed water if I need to work in wet snow for
> whatever reason. They're also less than half the price of expedition
> level cold weather stuff.
>
> As for the boots, I take an odd size (EEEEEE width, 9 long, 13 wide)
> so I'm looking at insulated overboots and really nice socks with my
> workboots rather than a dedicated winter boot.
Have you considered a snowmobile suit, looking on the web I quickly
found one for $210: http://www.bigmen.com/skiwear/snowsuit.html I know
the way they let the air move around inside keeps a person a lot warmer
than any two piece settup. I'm sure Carhartt also has the full
suit/coveralls.
Then for you feet, there are either of these: http://www.40below.com/
or http://www.overshoe.com/
Ed Huesers
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Eugene Miya
They tend to lack flexibility and weight more. Some require plugging into
an outlet for heating. The real problem comes with you need to take a dump.
Drop flaps are useful, but the lack of good heat control is a problem.
Pete Hickey
Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:
>Also, if you are standing still, get a small piece of closed cell foam
>to stand on. This will make a big difference.
Go to your local Home Hardware, or the like,and get a peice
of styrofoam insulation to stand on. REALLY makes a difference.
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