Thermarest won't inflate
JERRYTOY
1. The heat of the sun will not "melt the coatings, BUT if you leave the valve
closed and leave it in the sun. Pressure built up by air expansion can tear
the bond of the urethane coated fabric to the foam.
2. Adding air by mouth will not damage the foam. Store valve open and the
moisture will dissipate.
3. Yes, like your down or poly whatever, sleeping bag. Store it uncompressed.
See detailed care and use sheet that comes with the pad, visit our web site at
cascadedesigns.com or call 800-531-9531. If by chance the foam does not
recover by adding air by mouth, folding and squeeze to stretch foam back out
and then roll and test self-inflation, then you should send in for possible
warranty issue. We have stood behind our
Seattle made products since 1973.
Jerry Lloyd
Dir of Sales
Cascade Designs
Seattle
JERRYTOY
Sorry to jump into your ythread, but let me see if I can help.
1. The heat of the sun will not "melt the coatings, BUT if you leave the valve
closed and leave it in the sun, pressure built up by air expansion can tear
JERRYTOY
You guys have all provided GREAT input, but yes, you want to stay far away from
that gas station air pump. The VERY, VERY, VERY most that ANYONE could blow up
a Therm-a-Rest to is at best a little over 1 psi. We test EVERY SINGLE
Therm-a-Rest that we have ever made to between 3-4 psi. (Too hard to sleep
one!)
Gas stations have 80-90 psi avail.
Jerry Lloyd
Cascade Designs
Seattle
Jeannie Williams
Gary S. wrote:
> In article <356471...@flopn2.dseg.ti.com>, l...@flopn2.dseg.ti.com wrote:
> > jeff wrote:
> > > after a thermorest has been rolled for a few months, it will not self
> > > inflate.
> > > get down and dirty and blow it up yourself.
> > > A better idea is to use an air gun, as you'd find in a gas station.
>
> There's a lot of air pressure in one of those, far higher than a
> Thermarest is made for. People routinely pop bicycle tubes at gas
> stations
> Thermarest used to sell a carry sack that could be used to inflate the
> mattress without breathing in it. I guess they worked sort of mediocre,
> but is there anything like this out there now?
bicycle pump? (ok mike just the pump not the bike)
admittedly an exploding thermarest might be interesting if the proper safety
precautions were in place ...
Evgeny Babenko
Have any of you people had a problem with thermarest "shinkage" on a VERY
cold winter nights? Even if there is no leaks, as air inside of it gets colder
it would shrink and become flatter. I just don't want to get off it and blow
more air in the middle of the night. I've been using closed cell pads, but
looking into purchasing a thermarest pad. I saw posts about using both in
winter, but what's the point of having thermarest then?
Thanks, Evgeny.
P.S. Once I tryed to use a regular air mattress while winter camping (near the
car, of course), an it was a major headache.
Dave Bevan
Evgeny Babenko <EVB9...@UConnVM.UConn.Edu> wrote in article
<17F65AE28S...@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>...
> Have any of you people had a problem with thermarest "shinkage" on a VERY
> cold winter nights?
I personally don't use a Thermarest (RidgeRest is lighter, won't pop, and I
am
ok with the low comfort factor) but I have sold hundreds of them. I have
never
know or talked to anyone who has had this problem - or at least noticed it.
> I've been using closed cell pads, but
> looking into purchasing a thermarest pad. I saw posts about using both in
> winter, but what's the point of having thermarest then?
Several people that I have talked to have said that for winter camping, a
closed-
cell pad just doesn't insulate well enough and they use a Thermarest. I
don't
know anyone (wait maybe one person) who uses both. It seems like if you
want
more ground insulation, then buy a thicker Thermarest. The deluxe version
adds
a half an inch with no added weight (a bit pricey though).
> I just don't want to get off it and blow
> more air in the middle of the night. I've been using closed cell pads,
but
I have heard that blowing into a Thermarest can be harmful to the foam
inside
because of the moisture in your breath. I don't know how true that is, but
it is
probably a good idea to let it self inflate as much as possible before
blowing
into it.
Lloyd Bowles
> > Have any of you people had a problem with thermarest "shinkage" on a VERY
> > cold winter nights?
I found that my thermarest was very slow to inflate (about an hour) but
never had one shrink except when it had a hole.
> > I've been using closed cell pads, but
> > looking into purchasing a thermarest pad. I saw posts about using
> > both in winter, but what's the point of having thermarest then?
> I don't know anyone (wait maybe one person) who uses both. It seems
> like if you want
> more ground insulation, then buy a thicker Thermarest. The deluxe
> version adds
> a half an inch with no added weight (a bit pricey though).
I use both in winter. My back feels best if the thermarest is slightly
underinflated. This results in cold spots in winter. A cheap closed cell
foam pad is an easy way to increase insulation at minimal increase in
weight & cost. Actually it costs me nothing. I just borrow a pad my kids
use in summer.
--
Lloyd Bowles
The Mad Canoeist
"Keep the open side up!"
JRhoBurton
Have used one of the thick Therm-a-Rests in winter with good results. I
sometimes have to blow a bit more air in due to the cold, but haven't found
this to be a bother. Another good combo (already mentioned) is to combine one
of the ultralight Thermarests with an ultralight foam pad such as Evazote.
John Viehman of Backpacker Mag. says that you should not use an inflatable pad
in the desert because the sandstone will quickly shred them. I have had no
problems, however. Maybe he's sleeping on sharp edges?
John
Scotty Davis
I have a 3/4 length standard thermarest which has been rolled up
for a couple of months and now it won't self inflate. Is there
anything I can do to alleviate this problem?
"Get ye foot off the nigger"
Rob
I store mine inflated to avoid just such a problem. I've also seen
recommendations against blowing into the nozzle to speed inflation or
increase the internal pressure since the moisture from your breath could
deteriorate the foam. I also hang my sleeping bags up in a closet to keep
the artificial fill nice and fluffy. -Rob
Scotty Davis wrote in message <3560c44...@news.hiwaay.net>...
Tim Blair
> I guess you already have unrolled it, opened the valve, and left it in
> a warm place (e.g., the sun) for a few days to spring back.
Just a note of warning.
One of my friends left his thermarest out in the sun. It was pretty
warm 25-30C ish, and he left it out there for about 4 hours.
He then put his thermarest in his tent - upon lying on it, he found that
it had a huge bubble in the middle of it. It looked like one of those
inflateable pillows. Turns out that leaving it in the sun melted the
glue that glues the foam to the skin of the thermarest. ie the
thermarest delaminated. Verdict - nothing could be done for the poor
thing. So poor Nathan had to go and spend another $150 on a new
thermarest.
Moral of the story - please don't leave your thermarest in the sun for
too long.
Tim
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Überhund
richard hihn wrote:
>
> Tim Blair (tbl...@hildas.unimelb.edu.au.NOSPAM) wrote:
>
> : thermarest delaminated. Verdict - nothing could be done for the poor
> : thing. So poor Nathan had to go and spend another $150 on a new
> : thermarest.
>
>
> Dick Hihn
Gotta love that Z-Rest
John David Fawcett
On Mon, 18 May 1998 23:31:01 GMT, sda...@hiwaay.net (Scotty Davis) wrote:
> I have a 3/4 length standard thermarest which has been rolled up
>for a couple of months and now it won't self inflate. Is there
>anything I can do to alleviate this problem?
>
>"Get ye foot off the nigger"
Yep. Throw it away.
greg
On 19 May 1998 12:21:14 GMT, rh...@saims.skidmore.edu (richard hihn)
wrote:
>Tim Blair (tbl...@hildas.unimelb.edu.au.NOSPAM) wrote:
>
>: thermarest delaminated. Verdict - nothing could be done for the poor
>: thing. So poor Nathan had to go and spend another $150 on a new
>: thermarest.
>
>$150.00?????
150 Hong Kong dollars?
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> I have a 3/4 length standard thermarest which has been rolled up
> for a couple of months and now it won't self inflate. Is there
> anything I can do to alleviate this problem?
That's a new on me. They arrive from the manufacturer at the retailers
rolled VERY tight, and may have been in one warehouse or another for
months. How old is your pad?
I guess you already have unrolled it, opened the valve, and left it in
a warm place (e.g., the sun) for a few days to spring back.
Maybe an email to the manufacturer would be productive.
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richard hihn
Tim Blair (tbl...@hildas.unimelb.edu.au.NOSPAM) wrote:
: thermarest delaminated. Verdict - nothing could be done for the poor
: thing. So poor Nathan had to go and spend another $150 on a new
: thermarest.
$150.00?????
Dick Hihn
Japhy
Hey...Thermarest come with precise instructions to not store them away
rolled up..they must be stored inflated with the valve left open...your
problem is definitly due to the fact that you left it rolled up too
long...but dont tell this to Cascade Designs...contact your local outdoor
store..about it..since Cascade Designs tends to have lifetime warranty on
Thermarest..I had one for 12 years and sent it back and was sent a new 3/4
Staytek..
Scotty Davis wrote in message <3560c44...@news.hiwaay.net>...
> I have a 3/4 length standard thermarest which has been rolled up
>for a couple of months and now it won't self inflate. Is there
>anything I can do to alleviate this problem?
>
>
>
Paul Weiss
In article <6jtigh$c63$1...@zinger.callamer.com>, "Japhy"
<snowb...@sugarbowl.com> wrote:
> Hey...Thermarest come with precise instructions to not store them away
> rolled up..they must be stored inflated with the valve left open...your
> problem is definitly due to the fact that you left it rolled up too
> long...but dont tell this to Cascade Designs...contact your local outdoor
> store..about it..since Cascade Designs tends to have lifetime warranty on
> Thermarest..I had one for 12 years and sent it back and was sent a new 3/4
> Staytek..
>
Manufacturers and retailers just LOVE to deal with customers who obviously
have such a deeply ingrained sense of loyalty and integrity. I'll bet the
customer service rep from Cascade (who monitors this group regularly) just
cringed when he read your post, muttering to himself "Sheessh ... another
loser who expects something for nothing!"
In this particular case, I'd be inclined to think that the case is border
line and Cascade would cheerfully replace a non-inflating Thermarest under
the circumstances outlined, ... but I still think your attitude and the
approach that you suggest is low-life.
--
Cheers,
Paul Weiss
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Personal Home Page: http://www.netaccess.on.ca/~cpweiss/
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Tim Blair
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>
> On Tue, 19 May 1998 20:30:57 -0700, Tim Blair
> <tbl...@hildas.unimelb.edu.au.NOSPAM> wrote:
>
>
> > thing. So poor Nathan had to go and spend another $150 on a new
> > thermarest.
> >
>
> pocket picked. The Campmor catalog has a dozen sizes for between $45
> and $72 American. Certainly shipping to Downunder would add something,
> and maybe Customs would get a piece, but it shouldn't double or triple
> the price.
That was $150 Australian. Thats the standard price for the normal
thickness, full length Thermarest. You can usually get it down to
about $120 with sales.
Not sure what the exchange rate US->Aust is at the moment.
I'm pretty sure that there is a pretty hefty duty on imported camping
equipment. I know that there is for climbing equipment.
I personally bought my Ultra-light 3/4 thermarest for less than $50 in
the US - I now get to laugh at all these people that go and buy one for
$100+
Tim
Tim Blair
Überhund wrote:
>
> richard hihn wrote:
> >
> > Tim Blair (tbl...@hildas.unimelb.edu.au.NOSPAM) wrote:
> >
> > : thermarest delaminated. Verdict - nothing could be done for the poor
> > : thermarest.
> >
> > $150.00?????
That's $150 Australian.
--
F M
On Mon, 18 May 1998 23:31:01 GMT, sda...@hiwaay.net (Scotty Davis) wrote:
> I have a 3/4 length standard thermarest which has been rolled up
>for a couple of months and now it won't self inflate. Is there
>anything I can do to alleviate this problem?
Blow air into it so that it is very firm and hard. let it sit like this for
awhile, maybe several days. This will get the foam to remain in an expanded
form. It will self inflate but not as much as when you first bought it. Then
you just have to blow air into it.
FM
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On Tue, 19 May 1998 20:30:57 -0700, Tim Blair
<tbl...@hildas.unimelb.edu.au.NOSPAM> wrote:
> > I guess you already have unrolled it, opened the valve, and left it in
> > a warm place (e.g., the sun) for a few days to spring back.
>
> Just a note of warning.
>
> One of my friends left his thermarest out in the sun. It was pretty
> warm 25-30C ish, and he left it out there for about 4 hours.
>
> He then put his thermarest in his tent - upon lying on it, he found that
> it had a huge bubble in the middle of it. It looked like one of those
> inflateable pillows. Turns out that leaving it in the sun melted the
> glue that glues the foam to the skin of the thermarest. ie the
> thermarest delaminated. Verdict - nothing could be done for the poor
> thing. So poor Nathan had to go and spend another $150 on a new
> thermarest.
>
> Moral of the story - please don't leave your thermarest in the sun for
> too long.
Good tip, Tim. I would hope that the manufacturer would make good on
the defective product, but who needs the hassle.
BTW, if Nathan spent $150 American on a new Thermarest, he had his
pocket picked. The Campmor catalog has a dozen sizes for between $45
and $72 American. Certainly shipping to Downunder would add something,
and maybe Customs would get a piece, but it shouldn't double or triple
the price.
-- Jeff
LISARanger
A freind of mine had probelms with her thermarest (I believe that it was valve
problems). She sent it back to the manufacturer, and ti problem wasn't fixed.
When she sent it back the 2nd time, they sent her old *repaired* pad back, as
well as a brand new one. That proactive customer service is why I became a
loyal customer.
.
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from unknown addresses. If you wish to contact me outsidethe NG go to my
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In article <6jtigh$c63$1...@zinger.callamer.com>,
"Japhy" <snowb...@sugarbowl.com> wrote:
>
> Hey...Thermarest come with precise instructions to not store them away
> rolled up..they must be stored inflated with the valve left open...your
> problem is definitly due to the fact that you left it rolled up too
> long
I don't agree. I have two Thermarest pads that were rolled up for two YEARS
and still work fine. Two months is nothing. They can easily be sitting on a
store shelf for substantially longer than that.
...but dont tell this to Cascade Designs...contact your local outdoor
> store..about it..since Cascade Designs tends to have lifetime warranty on
> Thermarest..I had one for 12 years and sent it back and was sent a new 3/4
> Staytek..
>
Good idea.
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a.v. ley
jeff wrote:
>
> after a thermorest has been rolled for a few months, it will not self
> inflate.
>
> work as usual.
A better idea is to use an air gun, as you'd find in a gas station. The
moisture in your breath will stay in the matress and start degradation.
a.v. ley
Tim Blair
>
> >Tim Blair (tbl...@hildas.unimelb.edu.au.NOSPAM) wrote:
> >
> >: thing. So poor Nathan had to go and spend another $150 on a new
> >: thermarest.
> >
>
> 150 Hong Kong dollars?
Nope, but close. 150 Australian dollars.
Tim
jeff
Gary S.
> > A better idea is to use an air gun, as you'd find in a gas station. The
> moisture in your breath will stay in the matress and start degradation.
> a.v. ley
There's a lot of air pressure in one of those, far higher than a
Thermarest is made for. People routinely pop bicycle tubes at gas
stations, do you really want to give the mechanics something new to laugh
at?
Thermarest used to sell a carry sack that could be used to inflate the
mattress without breathing in it. I guess they worked sort of mediocre,
but is there anything like this out there now?
Enjoy,
Gary
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