NO MONEY TO GOLDEN CIRCLE AIR
Jim Campbell
Golden Circle, Bob and Dorly Ellefson, who manufacture T-Bird, have
secretly FILED BANKRUPTCY.
Also, I have a list of several people over the past few years who NEVER
got their kits.
Also, I have a list of nearly 200 people who NEVER got all their parts,
such as $300 strobes, instruments, major expensive parts. I have
confirmed Proof of Payment with most of these people. Several of these
cases have ACTIVE LAWSUITS but the old adage 'Blood out of a Turnip'
probably applies.
I have seen at least ten salesmen quit the company over the last two
years. I wonder why?
I have confirmed the current salesman got conned out of a $50,000
fictious stock investment. Stock in what? Bad Business Practices.
There is No Blue Sky Here.
Beware and Warn Others. Anyone Else?
Jim Campbell
Rob
I don't know why you are so intent on damaging other people and
companies by spreading such information. I don't know these people or
what they've done and I don't really care. You're not saving me from
them or anyone else that I know. The world will get along just fine
without this information you are so intent on giving us. Let it rest
and go on to something else.
Dave Mrochuk
out. Maybe you would like to order and pre-pay for something from this
company? It is possible that the information is incorrect but I for one
would like to know if ANY company has problems delivering the goods.
Dave
>Jim Campbell wrote:
>>
>> As a warning to any kit or part purchasers, I have heard the owners of
>> Golden Circle, Bob and Dorly Ellefson, who manufacture T-Bird, have
>> secretly FILED BANKRUPTCY.
>> Jim Campbell
Rob wrote in message <35E5022A...@micron.net>...
Duncan Charlton
who have seen business shrink drastically after a certain James C.
(publisher of a certain aviation magazine) posted a "warning" about their
business practices. This came about after this company withheld information
about the whereabouts of a former employee of Jim's -- lawsuits followed,
with results favoring my friends, but it was too late. And now Jim treats
my friends as if they are just dandy.
Does Jim have a personal beef with Golden Circle? While there may be
problems with Golden Circle, Jim's is just another opinion, and you know
what they say about opinions...
Why not call Golden Circle and ask them point blank if they've declared
bankruptcy?
Duncan
char...@flash.net
Dave Mrochuk wrote in message <6s3n8f$33...@burn.videotron.ab.ca>...
Ron Natalie
>
> As a warning to any kit or part purchasers, I have heard the owners of
> Golden Circle, Bob and Dorly Ellefson, who manufacture T-Bird, have
> secretly FILED BANKRUPTCY.
>
As a warning to any magazine subscribers, I have heard the owners
of US Aviator, namely Jim Campbell, has filed bankruptcy.
You can't secretly file bankruptcy. It's a public event.
Dave Wilson
>As a warning to any kit or part purchasers, I have heard the owners of
>Golden Circle, Bob and Dorly Ellefson, who manufacture T-Bird, have
>secretly FILED BANKRUPTCY.
>
>got their kits.
Feel free to POST this list. Bet you won't.
>Also, I have a list of nearly 200 people who NEVER got all their parts,
>such as $300 strobes, instruments, major expensive parts. I have
>confirmed Proof of Payment with most of these people. Several of these
Go ahead and post the list. Tell us about their proof of payment. Bet you
won't
>I have seen at least ten salesmen quit the company over the last two
>years. I wonder why?
Want to post their names? Bet you won't
>I have confirmed the current salesman got conned out of a $50,000
>fictious stock investment. Stock in what? Bad Business Practices.
Can you at least tell us his name? I didn't think so.
>Jim Campbell
So you have a list of allegations and accusations, based only on your
say-so? I guess the Internet and the publishing business are two of
the easiest forums to try to destroy someone with unfounded charges.
Maybe you can branch out into radio next.
Dave Wilson
----
Lou Hinshaw
>As a warning to any kit or part purchasers, I have heard the owners of
>Golden Circle, Bob and Dorly Ellefson, who manufacture T-Bird, have
>secretly FILED BANKRUPTCY.
>
SNIP
>
>Beware and Warn Others. Anyone Else?
>
WHAT IS A SECRET BANKRUPTCY FILING?
How is it done?
My (admittedly feeble) understanding is that if one files the abovesaid
plea for relief, they must include a copy FOR EACH LISTED CREDITOR
and any creditors left out is not xconsidered a part of the action.
That is, if you file secretly, and it isn't put in the papers (by the trustees I
believe), then you haven't filed. The cawse would be automatically dismissed.
Or rejected, or more likely refused at the clerk's counter.
This does make Mr C look kinda weird.
I do investigate stuff for myself, thank'ee.
Does anyone know if there is a criminal penalty for defamation from beyond
the resourse of countersuit? Can it be called deprivation of due recourse?
Just wondering mindya.
"The learned Fool writes his nonsense in better language,
but 'tis still nonsense."
B.Franklin 'Poor Richard Improved' (1754)
Lou H.
Prolific inventor,
Lousy Salesman,
Incompetent businessman.
(Typical of the Breed)
Looking for both around
Tulsa OK, USA
Jim Campbell
the people Golden Circle ripped off and I am angry about what they
continue to do to others.
Rob wrote> You're not saving me from them or anyone else that I know.
Rob, I hope I do help someone. Let the real truth be known This is
important.
Jim
rleo...@wizrealm.com
about six months at least - thought J"Z"C was coat-tailing. Sorry,
about the cross-up. Too many handle type posters that have sworn
they weren't him turned out to be.
Ray
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an...@webtv.net (Jim Campbell) wrote:
> For starters, I am not the Jim Campbell with the magazine. I am one of
> the people Golden Circle ripped off and I am angry about what they
> continue to do to others.
>
> Rob wrote> You're not saving me from them or anyone else that I know.
>
> Rob, I hope I do help someone. Let the real truth be known This is
> important.
>
> Jim
>
Well why didn't you say so ? We've been seeing complaints for
about six months at least - thought J"Z"C was coat-tailing. Sorry,
about the cross-up. Too many handle type posters that have sworn
they weren't him turned out to be.
Ray
PS - He's even posted as Jim Campbell a few times lately to
really confuse us. Do you have a different middle initial ?
wesley jeffries
Dave Mrochuk wrote in message +ADw-6s3n8f+ACQ-33p1+AEA-burn.videotron.ab.ca+AD4-...
+AD4-Actually Rob I think it+ADs-s very important that information like this gets
+AD4-out. Maybe you would like to order and pre-pay for something from this
+AD4-company? It is possible that the information is incorrect but I for one
+AD4-would like to know if ANY company has problems delivering the goods.
+AD4-
+AD4-Dave
+AD4-
+AD4APg-Jim Campbell wrote:
+AD4APgA+-
+AD4APgA+- As a warning to any kit or part purchasers, I have heard the owners of
+AD4APgA+- Golden Circle, Bob and Dorly Ellefson, who manufacture T-Bird, have
+AD4APgA+- secretly FILED BANKRUPTCY.
+AD4APgA+- Jim Campbell
+AD4-
+AD4-
+AD4-Rob wrote in message +ADw-35E5022A.72E90F97+AEA-micron.net+AD4-...
+AD4APg-
+AD4APg-I don't know why you are so intent on damaging other people and
+AD4APg-companies by spreading such information. I don't know these people or
+AD4APg-what they've done and I don't really care. You're not saving me from
+AD4APg-them or anyone else that I know. The world will get along just fine
+AD4APg-without this information you are so intent on giving us. Let it rest
+AD4APg-and go on to something else.
+AD4-
+AD4-
Pjx488
public information. All of the creditors are notified, so they may object to
the debtor's obligatiions being discharged. Secret Bankruptcy, tell me
another one. The whole post is suspect.
Don Campbell
wesley jeffries wrote:
> filing bankruptcy is not done secretly it is a matter of public record.
You are right it is a matter of public record. What is the odds of me seeing it 'on
the record' in Jacksonville FL.? This is the reason that I wanted so bad for Zoom to
be for real.
Don
David Gallego
You can call the U S Bankruptcy Court in the District which the Debtor
resides, and in some cases the ajoining districts and the clerks office will
be able to tell you if they have filed or how to find out.
David L Gallego, Esq.
Rob
>
> For starters, I am not the Jim Campbell with the magazine. I am one of
> the people Golden Circle ripped off and I am angry about what they
> continue to do to others.
>
> Rob wrote> You're not saving me from them or anyone else that I know.
>
> Rob, I hope I do help someone. Let the real truth be known This is
> important.
>
> Jim
>
>
I'm sorry, the way you worded your message it sounded exactly like Zoom
would have said it. Myself and so many other people are very tired of
his vindictive ways and constantly ragging on someone or some
manufacturer. With so many people being disgusted with Jim (Zoom)
Campbell I would change my name online if I were you. Go by your middle
name or something.
... Rob
Mark Ambrose
I dropped off the rec.aviation.homebuilt news group because it turned
into a "flamers convention" centered around Jim "Zoom" Campell. I
enjoyed rec.aviation.ultralight because the newsgroup stayed focused on
aviation. With these recent posts I can see that this news group is
destined to being ruined in the same manner as R.A.H. It appears that a
lot of readers are "Jerry Springer" lovers that would rather voice an
opinion about useless bullsh** than discuss meaningful topics.
Mark Ambrose
RANS S-7/912
Maryland
Jerry Springer
Hay you I really take offense to that post, "govern yourself
accordingly" :-)
Jerry Springer
--
Jerry Springer RV-6 N906GS First flight July 14, 1989 :-) Hillsboro, OR
jsf...@ix.netcom.com
Gary Larson
about things.
It doesn't surprise me about Golden Circle having major problems.
I was treated real bad by the owners of the company after the sale.
There were several parts I never received. Many phone calls. All kinds
of excuses. Then that 'lady' started swearing at me. They seemed they
didn't care because they already had my money.
Then when I tried to buy some hardware from Des Moines Fasteners, they
told me that Golden Circle owed them over $10,000 for several years and
they have been taking dealing with GC in the courts and heard of an
impending bankruptcy.
I felt it was best to walk away from a bad experience.
Gary Larson
Rob
>
> Actually Rob I think it;s very important that information like this gets
> out. Maybe you would like to order and pre-pay for something from this
>
>
> >Jim Campbell wrote:
> >>
> >> As a warning to any kit or part purchasers, I have heard the owners of
> >> Jim Campbell
>
> Rob wrote in message <35E5022A...@micron.net>...
> >
> >them or anyone else that I know. The world will get along just fine
My point is that I don't think there is any ultralight or light aircraft
company out there that is just scamming, or trying to rip people off. I
think they are sincere folks who love flying and are trying to put out a
product they believe in. If they have a hard time managing their money
properly and get behind on bills I think they will usually work things
out. I know some have gone under and people usually do get a good
portion of their money back but it is a risk with any company. Eipper
was the largest ultralight company and look how many times they went
under. Just because you don't get your kit exactly when the company
said you would probably get it doesn't mean they are scamming and trying
to rip you off... try to believe they are doing their best.
... Rob
Tony P.
I can think of no MORE pertinent, on-topic post than one which reports
on abuse by an aviation manufacturer, FIRST HAND by a customer (not some
sensationalist). That is hardly the stuff of daytime talk shows.
Otherwise we're at the mercy of the bad guys.
Moreover, the importance of public dialogue is precisely that B.S. can
be challenged. I don't happen to know whether GC has or hasn't abused a
customer, but I've been looking and, at least SO FAR, can't find a
record of a bankruptcy filing.
And they aren't secret -- all creditors are notified. So have some
tolerance here. Nobody is namecalling (well, you kind of are but nobody
else) or being disruptive, and you can ignore the post if you want to.
And if it's phony, you can join in the responses, but only if you care.
Tony Pucillo
Mark Ambrose wrote:
>
> Pjx488 wrote:
> >
> > A Bankruptcy is filed in the Federal Court in which the debtor resides. It is
> > public information. All of the creditors are notified, so they may object to
> > the debtor's obligatiions being discharged. Secret Bankruptcy, tell me
> > another one. The whole post is suspect.
>
> I dropped off the rec.aviation.homebuilt news group because it turned
> into a "flamers convention" centered around Jim "Zoom" Campell. I
> enjoyed rec.aviation.ultralight because the newsgroup stayed focused on
> aviation. With these recent posts I can see that this news group is
> destined to being ruined in the same manner as R.A.H. It appears that a
> lot of readers are "Jerry Springer" lovers that would rather voice an
> opinion about useless bullsh** than discuss meaningful topics.
>
> Mark Ambrose
> RANS S-7/912
> Maryland
--
Castigat ridendo mores. <Laughter succeeds where lecturing won't.>
I speak only for myself unless otherwise stated. One personality is
enough, thank you.
Mackfly
hangers--wonder where the money came from if things are all that bad. hmmmmm?
Mack
J & M
was up looking for a plane from Blue Sky. I saw no indication that
there was any proof of financial instability. I'm in the financial
business and can almost smell money trouble. As a mater of fact there
was every indication of a well run business. I spoke to Bob for over
three hours and did fly with him. If he's in money trouble I'll eat a
T-Bird II! With or without motor oil for sauce.
J McNeill
Jim Cowen
like trouble to me either. My sons and I all took a ride with Bob and
thought the T-Bird flew quite well also.
Jim
J & M
used to the yoke setup, it drove me nuts. I guess I'm just a stick
man. All my training was in Quicks and other flying in Rans 12's and
14's. However in Bob's hands the bird ( a beautiful T- II w/ a 618 on
it ) was a fun and nimble, even in the middle of the day.