2sI engine problems
Brad and Nancy MacArthur
I would like to find out how many people have had problems with the new
2SI motors, 30 to 55 h.p.. It would seem there is a problem with motors
siezing after only 1 to 30 hr on them.I know of three in my area in the
last month. I was told by 2SI they are using a new piston co. and need
to remachine them. This was just one of the many reasons they gave me
after 10 weeks of waiting and calling every 3 days for a motor that was
promised to be sent in 1 1/2 weeks. Don't get me wrong I'm not looking
for a shoulder to cry on, I just don't want flying friends to experiance
the "DEAD STICK" feeling of engine failure at all cost. No I did not get
the new engine from 2SI,too many lies and too many phone
calls!.
Keep the wind in your
face
B.C.MacArthur A.K.A. Hawk
A.J.D.
Oh Oh, could this be yet another UL Consumer Scumbag
Alert? Hey 2sI, how about doing the right thing! Let
the buyers beware!
BillBobC
No offense, but I think it is pure bull-shit to always
in every transaction to assume "buyer be aware".
I would suggest that "gun up someone's ass beware" and
that people doing business "do the ethical and correct thing!"
or live with the consequences of the law, both state and federal
and ethical man's law!.
I just dealt with a sail-maker, we spoke on the phone, I
sent him my address and color choices (no $) and in 2 weeks
he sent me the sail COD via UPS. I paid the COD and a few
months went by. I needed some ajustment made to the sail
and he did it without question for no additional cost.
He will get my referrals! As he ONLY did the correct thing!
PS: I am disappointed with 2SI, as I was hoping for a good
alternative to Bombardier especially made in US!
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WillU
I wanted to use an American built engine in the Kolb FireStar II I'm
build. Sent an e-mail to 2SI asking which of their engine I could use
instead of the Rotax 503. Never got a reply from them. Sense 2SI doesn't
have the time to reply to a prospective customer I decided to go with the
Rotax 503.
Will Uribe
http://members.aol.com/WillU/index.html
Joe Drelicharz
>
>I just dealt with a sail-maker, we spoke on the phone, I
>sent him my address and color choices (no $) and in 2 weeks
>he sent me the sail COD via UPS. I paid the COD and a few
>months went by. I needed some ajustment made to the sail
>and he did it without question for no additional cost.
>
>He will get my referrals! As he ONLY did the correct thing!
>
Don't hold back, tell us the name of the company!!!
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* Joe Drelicharz *
A.J.D.
Its great to hear when someone has found a reputable
shop to do business with. Unfortunately, the few that
operate on the sleaze make it very difficult for those
that genuinely try hard. What happened to "ethics"?
Seems like there are more and more people entering this
UL thing with bad intentions, or good intentions turned
bad. Why does lying seem to be the way to solve
customer problems? When folks doing business realize
that the potential for very bad public relations comes
with groups such as these, they may possibly get the
infamous wake up call. If ever you experience a
problem, then put it out here, likewise if you find
someone that deserves to succeed because of product or
services, tell everyone!
BillBobC wrote:
> No offense, but I think it is pure bull-shit to
> always
> in every transaction to assume "buyer be aware".
>
> I would suggest that "gun up someone's ass beware"
> and
> that people doing business "do the ethical and
> correct thing!"
> or live with the consequences of the law, both state
> and federal
> and ethical man's law!.
>
> I just dealt with a sail-maker, we spoke on the
> phone, I
> sent him my address and color choices (no $) and in 2
> weeks
> he sent me the sail COD via UPS. I paid the COD and a
> few
> months went by. I needed some ajustment made to the
> sail
> and he did it without question for no additional
> cost.
>
> He will get my referrals! As he ONLY did the correct
> thing!
>
> PS: I am disappointed with 2SI, as I was hoping for a
> good
> alternative to Bombardier especially made in US!
>
> A.J.D. wrote:
> >
> > Oh Oh, could this be yet another UL Consumer
> Scumbag
> > Alert? Hey 2sI, how about doing the right thing!
> Let
> > the buyers beware!
> >
> > Brad and Nancy MacArthur wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to find out how many people have had
>
> > > problems with the new
John Clary
Brad and Nancy MacArthur wrote:
>
> I would like to find out how many people have had problems with the new
> 2SI motors, 30 to 55 h.p.. It would seem there is a problem with motors
> siezing after only 1 to 30 hr on them.I know of three in my area in the
> last month. I was told by 2SI they are using a new piston co. and need
> to remachine them. This was just one of the many reasons they gave me
> after 10 weeks of waiting and calling every 3 days for a motor that was
> promised to be sent in 1 1/2 weeks. Don't get me wrong I'm not looking
> for a shoulder to cry on, I just don't want flying friends to experiance
> the "DEAD STICK" feeling of engine failure at all cost. No I did not get
> the new engine from 2SI,too many lies and too many phone
> calls!.
> Keep the wind in your
> face
> B.C.MacArthur A.K.A. Hawk
That is a legitimate reason for putting out a bad product,
unintentionally. All mfg's are at the mercy of their suppliers. If they
are not on the up-and-up, then the final product will suffer. I have had
a run of bad parts come into my toy co. from one of my suppliers, and I
got stuck with several hundred dollars worth of bad toys. We traced it
back to one of ^his^ suppliers selling out-of-spec raw materials. So it
sometimes has to work its way up the food chain until the consumer gets
the product, before anyone knows someone was less than ethical. Now for
instance, not saying that this is the case, but hypothetically, the
piston supplier for 2si gets a bad batch of alloy they use to make the
pistons. The expansion rates are different, with the bad alloy expanding
to a greater size than the spec alloy. The piston maker thinks he got
the metals he paid for, so he sends the pistons on to 2si, who thinks
they got the pistons they paid for, so they send the engines to the
consumer. He(she) thinks he got the engine he paid for, cranks it up and
the first time it gets at the high end of normal operating temps or
maybe a tad over the redline, the engine hot siezes, or maybe he puts
the whip to it before everything gets warmed up and gets a cold seizure
(hot piston, cold cylinder).
And the only one that was cheating was so far back in the food chain
nobody knows he was there.
Peter Hudson
Hi guys,
> >I would like to find out how many people have had problems with the new
> >2SI motors, 30 to 55 h.p..
I recently rebuilt a cuyuna ulII-02 (35 horse...same cstuff as the newer
TSI motors) I got new pistons from TSI I had no trouble dealing with
them... BUT... with only 5 hours on the rebuilt motor there is major
scoring on the piston skirt and cylinder walls under the exhaust port.
All temps have been closely watched and well within limits the motor
didn't seize but it looks like it was thinking about it. Now I'm
grounded till I decide If I should trust the motor. I've never been a
fan of the "it has to be a Rotax" mentality but after hearing of other
similar experiences I'm starting to consider it.
Any suggestions on how to fix the problem?
Any body have a Rotax 377 for sale?
Peter "my Cobra is collecting dust" Hudson
gold
Joe Drelicharz wrote:
>
> >
> >I just dealt with a sail-maker, we spoke on the phone, I
> >sent him my address and color choices (no $) and in 2 weeks
> >he sent me the sail COD via UPS. I paid the COD and a few
> >months went by. I needed some ajustment made to the sail
> >and he did it without question for no additional cost.
> >
> >He will get my referrals! As he ONLY did the correct thing!
> >
>
>
> --
> * Joe Drelicharz *
Oaks ca 91413. Thanks
Hlywd ca 90028. Thanks
del ogren
OK, kids, I was on the ultralight manufacturer's side of the booths at
Oshkosh. I know of two 2-SI engine seizures at the show. One on a
newly broken-in engine.
Worse, I know of two failures on their belt reduction drive.
One with a high pucker factor...
Before OSH, I called 2-SI with some questions. At one point, to clear
up a question I had with the "manual." I was referred to a technical
person. In the process, I asked, " which is the number one
cylinder?"
He answered, "Well I think it's the one nearest the prop..."
Not good...
He went on to admit that he didn't know if the CDI ignition fired once
or twice per revolution.
It's clear to me that 2-SI has yet to do their real work on the
rebirth of the Cuyuna. The problem is that they seem to think of us
as test pilots! Not good...
I must report that 2-SI did their best at OSH to support their
customers. And we hope that their efforts will turn the engine into
the thing we need to thrust us above the earth.
But at shows-end, many of us left OSH with our 2-SI engines in the
hands of the company. They have work to do.
The question is, how soon will that happen?
They've admitted problems with pistons and cylinder heads.
They've clearly sent out engines with carbs way out of tune.
And have shipped engines with belt re-drives that fail in flight.
When I get my2-SI engine back from the factory, I'll bolt it to my
airplane.
But, for every flight, I'll put a Test Pilot mindset inside my helmet.
Waiting for the worst. Not fun...
--del
>Brad and Nancy MacArthur wrote:
>>
>> I would like to find out how many people have had problems with the new
Tony P.
Good point:
Just look at all the AD's on Lycoming, Continental and even Superior
engine parts. I've seen pistons, lifters, valves, fuel pumps, oil pumps
and who-knows-what else recalled, and engines opened up, jus tbecause
some supplier of theirs screwd up. And there is not financial excuse
for it in their case -- usually not even somebody cheating, but just not
complying with specs on a batch or two.
In defense of 2SI, I will say that from their promotional expenditures
I would hope they are adequately capitalized and concerned about public
relations, so they should surely make good their screwups unless it
pushes them over the edge financially.
Tony Pucillo
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"Castigat ridendo mores" <laughter succeeds where lecturing won't>
Tony P.
del:
Personally, if I'm going to be an experimenter anyway, I'd rather build
my own engine and control what went into it. Just my $.02, realizing
many folks don't have the technical skill (but many end up acquiring it
to stay abreast of their expensive purchased engines!)
All of this would be more tolerable if the price tags attached to these
engines wouldn't buy you a nice used automobile (with a much better
engine in it, to boot).
Rod J Chavez
I'm looking for some info on the Buckeye powered parachute.. Any owners out
there???
