Mitchel wing Question any coments apreciatied
AlanNPike
ORTON) writes:
>I have the opertunity to buy a mitchel wing.... ... Does any companys
support this
>aircraft?
>any info or coments would be greatly apreciated.
According to U.S. Aviator magazine's very comprehensive Sport Plane
Resource Guide (info at http://www.us-aviator.com), page 334 lists a
company called Higher Planes, P.O. Box 4, Dover, Kansas 66420; (913)
256-6029 as the current manufacturer of the Mitchell A-10.
I think this is the company I read about in the newspaper a couple months
ago, where the owner purchased an abandoned underground nuclear missile
silo and turned it into an underground home/workshop.
al
Sport Flyer's Internet Resources
http://members.aol.com/TaleWheel/
LEON ORTON
I have the opertunity to buy a mitchel wing. I know little about it other
than it is a flying wing and uses a small motor. Does anyone out there
have any expierence with this aircraft. What engines can you put on it
(Is a rotax 447 too much?). Also what are its take off and landing
distances , rate of climb, cruse speed, stall speed, etc? Are they
difficult to fly? Are they an ultralite or an experimental.
I know thay had some that you used your feet to land but this one has an
enclosed cockpit and a bubble canopy. Does any companys support this
aircraft?
any info or coments would be greatly apreciated.
Leon
Mike Mitchell
->I have the opertunity to buy a mitchel wing. I know little about it other
->than it is a flying wing and uses a small motor. Does anyone out there
->have any expierence with this aircraft. What engines can you put on it
->(Is a rotax 447 too much?). Also what are its take off and landing
->distances , rate of climb, cruse speed, stall speed, etc? Are they
->difficult to fly? Are they an ultralite or an experimental.
->I know thay had some that you used your feet to land but this one has an
->enclosed cockpit and a bubble canopy. Does any companys support this
->aircraft?
->any info or coments would be greatly apreciated.
->
->Leon
There are several Mitchell wings. The B-10 (wood and fabric single seater
- customer built), A-1 (aluminum factory built single seater), a two seat
trainer (A-20?, I forgot what it is called) aluminum fact. built.
Whether they are UL's or EXper. depends on the engine and the prop.
These wings are sooo clean (16:1 glide ratio) as compared to tube and rag
UL's, that if you have almost any engine with a "cruise" prop, it can
very easily exceed the UL speed limit - 55 knots.
If the one you are looking at is a B-10, a typical engine was a single
cylinder Zonoah (250cc ?), and with this it takes a while to climb out
but the cruise speed is very good. If you were to put a rotax 447 you
would have to use a "climb" prop, as a "normal" prop would allow you to
speed. This is the safer solution but most costly.
Also, if a B-10, the quality is up to the original builder, as long as he
built or overbuilt well no problems but like anything you MUST get the
important stuff checked out by someone who is qualified (a wood & rag
builder) that you trust.
If an A-10 or the 2 seater, this was a little bit cleaner (had a
fairing), etc. Factory built and should be checked by someone qualified.
**NOTE**: The B-10 had potential for its "elevons" to flutter at higher
speeds and several people had problems/crashes due to this.
There is a simple fix for this (I believe a counter weight on
the elevons). So make sure these have been added.
The statistics I remember are with single cylinder 2 seater are something
like (best case - 150lb pilot) :
takeoff - 150-200 ft
rate of climb - 500-600
cruise - 55mph
stall - 27-30 mph
landing 200 ft
Vne - 80-90 mph
LEON ORTON
bubble canopy. Another person replied and he thinks it is a U2. I am
conserned about the safety. My reasoning is if it is no longer made, why?
I may have to find a company that knows about this aircraft an write to
them. Have you heard of this particular mitchel wing design.
Thanks
Leon
disclamer... I type faster than I spell.
bates
>->
>->I have the opertunity to buy a mitchel wing. I know little about it other
>->distances , rate of climb, cruse speed, stall speed, etc?
Berger-Burrs Ultralight Aircraft of the World gives
Power Plant - Zenoah G25B-1 (1 cyl, 242cc 2T,20hp @6500 rpm)
Max Level Speed 55 mph
Max Cruise 45 mph
Stall speed 25 mph
Max climb @ sea level 300 ft/min
Min Sink 225 ft/min @ 35 mph
Best Glide 16:1
Take off distance 175 feet
Landing distance 175 feet
Ceiling 12000 feet
NKite
Let me introduce myself, My name is Neal Kite and I am the internet Rep
for Higher Planes Inc. They are the current builder of the A10 and T10
Mitchell Wings. If you have any questions concerning any of the Mitchell
Wing aircraft you may send an E-mail to
HiPl...@aol.com.
On your request for information on the U2. The U2 had some problems that
many new pilots had to adhere to very closely. The Bigest is the CG. The
CG was so touchy on this thing that if you lean forward or backward to
look at something you were out of CG.
The second problem was losing contact with the ground while landing. Since
the wings are so long, using your perpherial vision to check height above
the runway was just about nill. After alot of practice and serveral hard
landing could you get the jist of it.
Myself I have the B10 and will be putting on a new A10 cage. This will
give me good ground handling and still maintain the glide ratio of 20:1.
And I mean 20:1.
Hope this helps out.
Neal
LEON ORTON
I have chicken out on purchasing It The A-!0 looks more appealing not to
mention safe
Thanks again
Leon
Bill Chilcoat
LO> them. Have you heard of this particular mitchel wing design.
LO>
LO> Thanks
LO> Leon
I suggest you contact Higher Planes, P.O. Box 4, Dover, KS 66420
(913) 256-6029. This is the company that manufactures the Mitchell
Wing aircraft. They certainly should be the best source of
information for you. Hope this "tidbit" helps you.
Bill Chilcoat
Weedhopper Pilot
Mounds, OK
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Matt Lawrence
: The mitchel wing I am looking at is a single seat inside the wing under a
: bubble canopy. Another person replied and he thinks it is a U2. I am
: conserned about the safety. My reasoning is if it is no longer made, why?
: them. Have you heard of this particular mitchel wing design.
I've got a set of plans for the U-2. As I remember, it's not an
ultralight under US regs, it has to be flown as an experimental homebuilt.
-- Matt
AKAVIE
Kansas that bought the rights to Mitchel flying wing and was going to
produce it. I remember the article because this guy bought a missle silo
from the government and turned it into a home and workshop. ABC World
News did a story on the same guy and showed a picture of his shop. There
looked to be about a half dozen of the flying wings under construction.
I don't know the name of this person, but i don't think there are many
people in Kansas who live in a silo. :o)
DOCTOR WHO
wrote:
--->
--->I have the opertunity to buy a mitchel wing. I know little
about it other
--->than it is a flying wing and uses a small motor. Does
anyone out there
--->have any expierence with this aircraft. What engines can
you put on it
--->(Is a rotax 447 too much?). Also what are its take off and
landing
--->distances , rate of climb, cruse speed, stall speed, etc?
Are they
--->difficult to fly? Are they an ultralite or an experimental.
--->I know thay had some that you used your feet to land but
this one has an
--->enclosed cockpit and a bubble canopy. Does any companys
support this
--->aircraft?
--->any info or coments would be greatly apreciated.
--->
--->Leon
There is a great review in the PACIFIC ULTRALIGHTS MAG. July
1995. If your up to it - buy it. :-)
Fuel Cap. 3gal
Seat 1
Setup 15min 1x person
Engine Zenoah 23hp , 160lbs thrust, nelt reduction 2.25 to 1
Prop. 54x24
Fuel 1 g/hr
Stall 27mph
cruise 58
Top speed 63
Vne 63
Design load +6g,-6g
Climb 650fpm
Glide 16-1
Hehehehehe........
MJP103
LEON ORTON (leon...@aol.com) wrote:
: The mitchel wing I am looking at is a single seat inside the wing under
a
: bubble canopy. Another person replied and he thinks it is a U2. I am
: conserned about the safety. My reasoning is if it is no longer made,
why?
: I may have to find a company that knows about this aircraft an write
to
: them. Have you heard of this particular mitchel wing design.
The U2 had set a couple of F.A.I. records back in the early to mid 80's.
The guy was out of Colorado Springs. He would sometimes climb up in the
wave around Pikes Peak. One record was set flying downwind to the east in
strong winds. I talked to the guy and he liked his U2. He was helping a
friend sell me a B-10.
I put about a 150 hours or so, on my B-10. I equipped it with a pod that
was designed for the B-10, before an A-10 existed. I used the original
Zenoah engine for a while and later converted to a 25 HP KFM with electric
start. I had a VSI on the plane and the best it would do in a climb was
about 500 FPM. It flew real nice, but you were always flying it. It
didn't fly itself.
I wouldn't really recommend B-10, U2 or A-10 for a pure beginner in the
sport. The B-10 was a little too much for the old guy that I bought it
from and he was a sailplane pilot (so am I).
Mike Peters
DOCTOR WHO
Magazine?
-]This is the first I've heard of it.
The article isnt all that great by the way, ask P.U. if
they have a more comprehensive article.
Pacific Ultralights is sold here in Australia and New Zealand.
#6 - 71 Gould St. , Frankston, Victoria 3199.
Ph +61-03-9781-1360 Fax +61-9781-1360
Back-issues are $4 Aus.pp., Subscription is $40, N.Z $52,
International: AUD $72 airmail.
Newsagent distribution in Australia is through
Newsagent Direct Distributers. (NDD) Ph +61-03-9213-3169
,Melbourne Australia
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NKite
production capacity for the Mitchell Wing aircraft is for sale. Mitchell
Wing, with about 400 aluminum clad wing A-10s and T-10s being sold, holds
a number of fixed wind ultralight world records and the Worthington Cup
for distance on limited fuel.
All of the aircraft assets of Higher Planes, Inc. will be included in the
sale. Tooling molds, raw materials and parts will all be included, allong
with the exclusive production rights worldwide. Most of the raw material
and parts needed to produce 20+ aircraft will be a part of this sale.Also
included witll be two T-10 two place training aircraft, and some initial
training by Mr. Peden. Mr Peden will also be aviable as a consultant for
technical assistance in the production and marketing process.
Inquires can be made to HiPl...@aol.com or Nk...@aol.com, or calling
Commercial Properties, Inc and ask for Keith Stelting.
Mr Stelting can be contacted at 3320 SW Harrison St. Topeka KS 66611 USA
913-267-7373. Let him or Mr. Peden know you heard about this on the
internet.
*************
In talking with Ed today, he stated that no new Mitchell Wing aircraft
will be made. However until the company is sold he will provide support
and sales of parts. Just no complete aircraft. Ed has been selling old
Missle Bases and has become quite busy. Not to mention there is a stronger
market. I am sad to see Ed get out of the business, however I can
certainly understand.
If any one has any questions please feel free to e-mail me back.
Neal Kite
Higher Planes Internet Rep.
crimso...@msn.com
>The mitchel wing I am looking at is a single seat inside the wing under a
>bubble canopy. Another person replied and he thinks it is a U2. I am
>conserned about the safety. My reasoning is if it is no longer made, why?
> I may have to find a company that knows about this aircraft an write to
>them. Have you heard of this particular mitchel wing design.
>
>Thanks
>Leon
>
>
>disclamer... I type faster than I spell.
The Mitchell Wings are high performance, efficient flying wings. They
had several incidences in which the drag rudders locked into position
and caused a spiralling dive into the ground. I have read about 2 such
incidences, and saw 1. It is an obvious culmination of poor
maintenance, with a lsight design flaw (my opinion). I would love to
have one myself, but would most definitely modify the drag rudder
linkage assembly to eliminate the above-mentioned scenario.