chinook WT-II
Tony357000
thread last week about converting to a chinook plus2. How much is the
conversion? What shold I look for and what Qyuestions should I ask the seller?
Any info appreciated.
Thanks
Tony Flesia
Les
http://www.ultralight.ca/
They've been building the new Chinook "Plus 2" for over ten years. They do
sell updates for older, pre-ASAP Chinook WT-II's. The original was
designed/built by Birdman Enterprises, and they are gone, so I've heard.
Les
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T-Bird
them. It is a great plane and she may be old but she is beautiful to fly
and is a simple plane with the amenities of a challenger or the like. More
cockpit room too. The conversion is very very expensive. The wing and tail
will cost you $3000 us plus. What has happened is once someone owns this
plane, they usualy will hold on to it. That only leaves the conversion to do
for an improvement. The plane is great with the new wing and tail but it is
just not really needed unless you simply want to improve to an even higher
level. The original wing is a problem when it comes to new covers. They are
not cheap at all and you will have to wait for them while they are made.
Nobody keeps them in stock. I should have some of the factory AD's here but
the only thing there really is would be the fact that the main boom tube was
sleeved right at the attachment point of the engine down tubes (1.5 inch and
the 1 inch point). You can do this yourself without changing the boom
though. The other thing is that at a high speed of 75 plus, the wing will
sometimes give the feel of a loss of steady lift and slow controle. Don't
fly at that speed and you will not have a problem. I always kept my VNE at
64 mph anyhow. The plane can do rolls and such but was not designed for it
and should not be tested as such. But its a nice feeling to know she will
handle it. Hope this helps.
Launchpad(Michigan)
Flightstar357
Thanks for the info. I'm still debating wether to go for it or not. The plane
is under 3000.00 in flying condition and sounds like a steal. The owner is
willing to demo. I just have to go see the sails for myself to determine how
much life is left in them. I read an advisory alert on the Ultralight web
magazine that said the wing warping system was questionable. There was a crash
attributed to it. Just wanted to hear from other owners of them. Thanks again
and I'll let you know what I decide
Tony Flesia
Mark Swihart
My first plane was a WT-II. I was un-informed and naive and bought
it with bad sails ...It will never fly again due to the un-availability of
the wing covers.
ASAP recommended Hummingbird Sails as the only sailmaker
they know of that makes sails.
I left several messages on their answering machine inquiring on buying a
set
but never received a return phone call from them.
If you pay more than $500 for an unsupported UL like the WT-II
you are screwing yourself out of your hard earned cash.
Buy a plane that has parts and service support. Period.
Mark Swihart
"Opinions are like ***holes. Everyone has one."
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Mark could be right about the sails. I talked to Paulette of ASAP a few
days ago and she told me the people who were making sails for the old
Beavers are no longer in business. I would guess they are the same people
who were making sails for the old Chinooks.
You might try your question on the Beaver/Chinook group on Yahoo. Let me
know if I can help.
Les Wilson
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does offer all the parts for the plane and I know becouse I have bought tons
over the year. They do not care to support it as eagerly as there own
Chinook though. You will find them not wishing to chit chat about it as much
as the new toys. The sails are not available from them but that is about it.
If worst comes to worst and you need to recover the plane,let me know. I
bought out the factory stock of sails for the plane and also have had a
couple custom ones made. Hummingbird is not the answer though.
Unless you reall y enjoy the plane, it is not a great idea to buy it if in
need of sails. If you enjoy it as much as I, then you will not mind
covering it. The wing warping problem was an isue to me many years back.
Now that I have pushed the plane again and again, and have hours and hours
in the WT-11's. Never a problem.
Flightstar357
to work for them. Why not on the chinnok. Has anyone tried it? I'm going to
look at the plane tomorrow and hopfully it will have good sails as the seller
says it does. Thanks to all who posted response. Your expertise in this matter
will be very helpful. Again I'm still just looking at this point. I'll wait
till I know about the stits option before I make a final decission.
Thanks Again
Tony Flesia
Mark Smith
May I add that as an independent ul builder, I am often asked to make
parts for orphaned ultralights.
Sometimes the tubing used is an expensive size per foot, or not used on
the quicksilver types I build.
The large boom tubing is often hard to find at any price, ie, the 4, 5,
and 6 inch stuff.
Making the parts using the broken parts as patterns often ends up with
tubes that look good but that are just enough wrong to make wires
sloppy, and other parts not fit.
Sails are a big item, and often will cost many times the price paid for
an old wrecked ul.
Before investing much in any of these brands, I strongly suggest a note
here, or on fly-ul to access the availability of parts and sails.
An old Rotec Rallye or Wizard may look attractive to a newbie when
offerred for 500 or less, including the engine. But when the clutch is
found to be defective, replacements willbe difficult to find. And with
very few people having much knowledge of these older planes, repairs may
be totally upon the buyer as to design, and maanufacture.
There is prolly a small business opportunity for ulies to get involved
in a specific brand, make parts on the side, and help get some of the
non-quicks back in the air.
At present, the only older ul that is fully supported with parts is the
quicksilver. there are several of us doing parts, sails and such.
Even most present day uls have only the original manufacturer for help
and assistance.
--
Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620 mailto:ma...@trikite.com
1-812-838-6351
DRC
I hope Chuck skips this part of your message!!! I think that the parts
are still available for the good ol' CGS HAWK yet.....
David
Mark Smith wrote:
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> At present, the only older ul that is fully supported with parts is the
> quicksilver. there are several of us doing parts, sails and such.
>
> Even most present day uls have only the original manufacturer for help
> and assistance.
>
> --
>
> Mark Smith
> Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
> 1121 N Locust St
> Mt Vernon, IN 47620 mailto:ma...@trikite.com
> 1-812-838-6351
--
David C.
hif...@ruraltel.net
If lawyers are disbarred and clergymen defrocked, doesn't it follow
that electricians can be delighted, musicians denoted, prostitutes
delayed, cowboys deranged, models deposed, tree surgeons debarked,
and dry cleaners depressed?
T-Bird
of covering. The rest of the craft can be covered that way though and it
leaves it with a great finish too. All in all,if the dacron covers were
not such an expense, we would see a lot more of the ole Chinooks in the sky.
As a footnote though, there are A LOT of these planes flying in Canada
still.
Launchpad
T-Bird
Launchpad
Mark Smith
>
> Mark,
>
> I hope Chuck skips this part of your message!!! I think that the parts
> are still available for the good ol' CGS HAWK yet.....
There are exceptions to anything I say, can't get 'em all down.
But the Hawk, Challenger, didn't come around until the end of the
ultralight boom.
Mxs were plentiful in 1981 and 1982, with many weightsahifts sold in
1979 and 1980. I sold 54 quicks in 82, top nationwide dealer, plaque to
prove it.
I have flown quicks, the same looks as an MX, starting in the late
seventies with Soarmaster power.
With 10,000 quicks out there of various specifics but all sharing many
parts, etc, the aftermarket is much better for them. And thus, the
availability of parts for the old ones is just as good as for the brand
new ones.
Kinda like the small block chevy compared to ford and chrysler, lots of
interchangability with the small block chevy, and virtually none with
any of the others. Thus the pricing for aftermarket small block chevy
parts is great for both the manufacturers and the buying public.
Mark Smith
why doesn't someone who has one make sails for them. It isn't that big
of a deal. Surely there must be a market for a onesy twosey sail maker
to profit from them if they are as plentiful as you say.
Tony357000
Just got back from 3 hrs ride one way to check out the chinook WT 11. Well the
sails have some patches but are still strong. They were coated with clear
Aerothane. The plane is complete and no bent parts. Engine runs strong and
ground handling was pretty good. Not a basket case, but needs some TLC. As I
got there the owner had it runnig already which raises a red flag right away.
Don't know how many pulls to get it started. But it did run good. I don't like
the wing warping though. The sails as I said had some patches and were very
dirty. The Aerothane
had been put on over the soiled sail cloth. Cosmeticaly, It desparately needs
new sails. The Tail surfaces were stits covered but the paint is peeling. The
fabric surrrounding the rear of the cockpit was soaked with oil and very dirty
and faded. I don't know if the oil was from the gear box or the engine. I think
I am going to pass on this one. If I don't like the way it looks, I won't fly
it. And I'm not going to spend $2800.00 for sails.
Thanks for all your input. This was quite a learning experience. I'm glad I
went to see it cause I just learned a lot about a plane I had only heard of
before. I look forward to checking out another plane. I only hope the next one
looks better. By the way, this all started cause I was looking for a two seat
project. I got side tracked when I saw the ad for this one, and the relatively
low price for a flying Ul with instruments and rotax powered.(less than $3000).
Thanks again
Tony Flesia
T-Bird
complicated envelope. But at least my time kept a good handfull in the air.
I still have a few but am not looking to rid them. Unless I find someone
grounded and are desperately searching for them anyhow.
Launchpad
knj
point of view and its' effect on flight.
Thanks
Ken Johnson
Chinook WT11
Newbie from Aitkin MN
k...@emily.net
on the North Shore of Mille Lacs Lake
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here from the standard wing is that it deforms the actual shape of the wing
itself. The wings actualy flex's from the force upon the ailerons/trailing
edge,disturbing the lift on that wing. There is more to it than that, but
for the most part and simple explanation that is the case. As for
structural? I can't speak for other aircraft but as for the WT-11, never
known of any structural wear,accidents, or prone problems in respect to the
warping wing.
Launchpad
knj
I kept hearing about it and couldn't find an explanation. Now to make sure
I understand it. If I move the stick to the right the right aileron will
deflect upward causing the wing itself to lower a little on the trailing
edge. The opposite happening on the left aileron/wing. It would seem that
that condition would make it less responsive (require more aileron
deflection) than a "non-warping" aileron since the trailing edge would be
pushed downward which should create more lift from the wing itself.
I am taking lessons with a Champ so I want to know all I can about the
flight behavior of the WT-11 before I take it up.
As to Tony's situation, I picked up mine for $3500. Sails are in good shape
and still has original equipment (i.e. 277 Rotax, belt drive, 2:1 ratio).
Can't wait to get it in the air.
Ken Johnson
Chinook WT-11
k...@emily.net
Aitkin MN on the North Shore of Mille Lacs Lake
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the ribs, rivet them to the leading and trailing edge and cover it with dope
and fabric.
Jay
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Cheers
Jeff
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up the WT-11 alot but you will find me flying x-country monthly in my
T-Bird-2. Another great plane. Also check out the Hawk.
Launchpad
Tony357000
I'm really looking for a cheap twoseater. I only took a look at the chinook
because of the price and options that come with it. It was advertised as
complete with instruments, skies, radio, spring loaded canister chute, helment
with headset, and a 377 rotax with gearbox. When I asked the seller if the
price was firm he said no. I just had to go look. Only a three hr drive to
Massachusetts. I am pretty sure I won't buy it but I am rethinking before I let
him know for sure. The stits might still be an option. One reader posted an
idea that I am looking into for stits. It just might work.
Also, I have a flightstar single seater and really don't need another single
seater. But I am open to looking at a great deal if one comes my way.
The plane Jeff is talking about is in Arizona which is a little to far for me
to travel. My wife would kill me.
Thanks for all info
Tony Flesia
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