Night X-C - Private requirement
Bob Myers
I *was* scheduled to take my private checkride tomorrow.
Then yesterday my CFI told me that the FAA has handed down a new
interpretation of the night x-c requirement.
It's a 100 mile cross-country flight at night, right? Well - the
definition of a cross-country flight, for the purposes of meeting
minimums for a private, is listed, elsewhere, as one that has a landing
at least 50 miles away. On my previous "night cross-country", we did 2
landings, neither 50 miles away - so now I have to do another night
cross-country.
Sigh. Seems sort of strange to have a specific requirement that the
flight be at least 100 miles if a cross-country requires a landing 50
miles away, but I suppose that means that you can't just do a one-way 50
mile trip. Our local FSDO had been saying it was ok, but I think they
were just told by OK City that it isn't.
Anyway, beware, the rest of you. Make sure you *land* at least 50 miles
away during your night cross-country.
FAR 61.109 (a)
(2) Except as provided in Sec. 61.110 of this part, 3 hours of night
flight training in a single-engine airplane that includes--
(i) One cross-country flight of over 100 nautical miles total
distance; and
FAR 61.1 (b)(3)
(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience
requirements (except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private
pilot certificate, a commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument
rating, or for the purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges
(except in a rotorcraft) under Sec. 61.101(c), time acquired during a
flight--
(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a
straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original
point of departure; and
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Bob Myers
Jeff Johnson wrote:
>
> First of all, there is no section 61.110.
Yes there is:
Sec. 61.110 Night flying exceptions.
(a) Subject to the limitations of paragraph (b) of this section, a
person
is not required to comply with the night flight training requirements
of this
subpart if the person receives flight training in and resides in the
State of
Alaska.
(b) A person who receives flight training in and resides in the
State of
Alaska but does not meet the night flight training requirements of
this
section:
(1) May be issued a pilot certificate with a limitation "Night
flying
prohibited;" and
(2) Must comply with the appropriate night flight training
requirements of
this subpart within the 12-calendar-month period after the issuance of
the
pilot certificate. At the end of that period, the certificate will
become
invalid use until the person complies with the appropriate night
training
requirements of this subpart. The person may have the "Night flying
prohibited" limitation removed if the person--
(i) Accomplishes the appropriate night flight training requirements
of this
subpart; and
(ii) Presents to an examiner a logbook or training record
endorsement from
an authorized instructor that verifies accomplishment of the
appropriate
night flight training requirements of this subpart.
[Amdt. 61-102, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103, 62 FR 40904,
July 30,
1997]
> Secondly it is "except as
> provided in paragraph (h) of this section" that is the disclaimer.
Are you reading the new FARs or the old ones? I copied the text here
from
ftp://ftp.fedworld.gov/pub/faa-ri/far-61.txt
> Thirdly, if you interpret the asserted FAR(s) correctly, the reference to
> the 100nm (one leg requirement) is based under 61.109(b)(2), subject to the
> requirements of 61.109(a)(2)(ii).
What? 61.109(b)(2) has to do with multiengine airplane ratings!
61.109(a)(2)(ii) I quoted below.
> Fourthly, you should examine the reg.'s
> upon which the night requirements are based, and not the general flight
> requirements.
Huh? What on earth do you mean by that?
> You should talk with your attorney (lol) or flight
> instructor as to the interpretation you should use.
This is what the local FSDO is telling my flight school.
> Be careful as to
> posting incorrect information in a student newsgroup ;-).
Indeed.
It also helps to have a current copy of the FARs,
which I strongly suspect you do not!
> Bob Myers <b...@intelenet.net> wrote in article
> <34B2CE...@intelenet.net>...
Jeff Johnson
First of all, there is no section 61.110. Secondly it is "except as
provided in paragraph (h) of this section" that is the disclaimer.
the 100nm (one leg requirement) is based under 61.109(b)(2), subject to the
upon which the night requirements are based, and not the general flight
instructor as to the interpretation you should use. Be careful as to
posting incorrect information in a student newsgroup ;-).
Jeff
Bill Beekman
That is from the mid year update.