checklist question- GUMPFS
Dan Dillon
solo where I could 'just go out and fly.' I was looking forward to
this. Unfortunately, things didn't go well when I got to the
airport. First, my plane wasn't in yet. (A frequent problem that
annoys me.) When the student got back in with the plane, he told me
the radios were intermittant, so I chose another plane that was
available on the schedule, and out to the ramp I went. During my
preflight, I found that the checklists were gone. Damn- off to the
pilot shop I went and I bought one of those plastic Checkmate
checklists. Anyway- back out to the ramp to restart my checklist.
Unchain the airplane, inspect everything, and discover that the tail
beacon was haning in the rudder hinges by it's wires! Damn I can't fly
this thing- and I blew $15 on this stupid checklist.
Back to the office where I found my favorate plane had become
available, and I ended up having a fantastic flight over the Queen
Mary, Long Beach, looking out toward Catalina Island, and the coast.
It was absolutely fantastic weather, not a cloud in the sky, 15 mile
visibility, and the dew point down in the negative numbers (never
heard that on the ATIS before today.)
-------
Anyway, now that I have shared the high points of my day, back to my
question. On this fancy-schmancy checklist, it has something under
the landing portion as follows:
Landing:
Flaps - 30 deg or as req
Speed* 55(63)
GUMPFS
My question is this- What does GUMPFS mean. I can't remember ever
seeing that before.
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Seeking Electrical Engineering Position
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Michael Horwith
Dan Dillon wrote in message <362ABC93...@catalina-inter.net>...
< snip >
>My question is this- What does GUMPFS mean. I can't remember ever
>seeing that before.
Maybe it is an acronym for pre-landing checks. I'll take a shot:
G - Gas (check tank selector)
U - Undercarriage
M - Mixture
P - Not sure, but since somewhere carb heat should be on, maybe this is it?
F - Flaps?
S - Seatbelts
I learned SEGUM
S - Seatbelts
E - Carb heat (don't ask me, I don't get it either)
G - Gas
U - Undercarriage
M - Mixture
Alan Derrick
>My question is this- What does GUMPFS mean. I can't remember ever
>seeing that before.
>
Gas (fullest tank)
Undercarriege
Mixture
Primer
Fuel selector
Speed (prop speed)? --not sure, I've been flying pipers, where we use
BCGUMPS, but same idea.
Alan Derrick
BCGUMPS translates to:
Boost pump
Carb heat
Gas (fullest tank)
Undercarriage
Mixture rich
Primer in-and-locked
Seatbelts
I assume GUMPFS is something equivelant
Alan Derrick
UND Aerospace, Grand Forks ND
http://people.aero.und.edu/~derrick
ICQ #3380315
Jim Sokoloff
> GUMPFS
>
> My question is this- What does GUMPFS mean. I can't remember ever
> seeing that before.
G - Gas
U - Undercarriage (for retracts/floats)
M - Mixture
P - Prop (for variable pitch props)
S - Switches (Lights, boost pumps, etc)
No idea on the "F" though.
---Jim
Snowbird
> G - Gas (check tank selector)
> U - Undercarriage
> P - Not sure, but since somewhere carb heat should be on, maybe this is it?
Everywhere I've heard it, "P" is for propeller (full forward, in
case of a go-around). Like "undercarriage", applies mostly to
complex planes.
People wanting to mention carb heat do C-GUMPS.
I was taught, and do, GUMPS checks on downwind, base, and final
when I'm flying a controllable prop plane with retractable gear.
Otherwise, I don't like it (personally). Because you are constantly
mentioning two things you have absolutely no control over in a fixed
pitch prop, fixed gear plane, to me it encourages the chanting of
checklists like mantras without meaning or action attached.
On the other hand, that's just my opinion and in any large enough
gathering someone can be counted upon to express the heated opinion
that failing to do GUMPS checks from the start is bad piloting sure
to produce a gear-up landing some day.
Me, I make up my own little chant appropriate to the plane I'm
flying. Since my current plane does not recommend carb heat in
the pattern, has low wings, and is usually leaned for most flights,
I want to check the fuel pump (on) and the mixture (rich) in the
pattern. People who fly with me can tell you I actually say aloud
"fuel pump on mixture rich" while making it so just before I reach
the numbers on downwind, and touch these while saying it again
on final.
> F - Flaps?
> S - Seatbelts
I've never heard the F before, but I suspect you're correct.
> I learned SEGUM
>
> S - Seatbelts
> E - Carb heat (don't ask me, I don't get it either)
> G - Gas
> U - Undercarriage
> M - Mixture
I would suspect "E" for engine (since the point of carb heat is to
keep the engine from stopping).
That's another thing I'm not fond of in these mnemonics--to me,
they aren't mnemonic. How often do you hear pilots talk about
"fixed undercarriage" or "retractable undercarriage" planes outside
of these lists? Isn't it usually "gear"? How often do you hear
American pilots talk about "gas" outside of these lists? Isn't it
usually "fuel"? Fuel flow, fuel capacity, fuel reserve, fuel tester....
Ah well.
Snowbird
Roy Smith
> First, my plane wasn't in yet. (A frequent problem that annoys me.)
Complain to the FBO about this, who in turn should come down on their
renters/instructors to get back on time. Shit does happen and sometimes
it is unavoidable to get back late, but if it happens frequently, then
there is a systematic problem which needs to be solved.
> During my preflight, I found that the checklists were gone. Damn- off
> to the pilot shop I went and I bought one of those plastic Checkmate
> checklists.
The plane is not legal for flight unless the POH is in the plane (we could
argue details on that one for a while, but it's approximately true). In
the POH there should be a checklist. So, even if the convenient laminated
card is missing, you could have still opened up the POH and read the
checklist out of that. That's not to say the pocket checklist shouldn't
be replaced, but it's not strictly essential.
> What does GUMPFS mean.
GUMPS is a standard "mental checklist". It stands for
Gas - fuel selector set to proper position, pump on if appropriate
Undercarriage - gear down and locked, 3 green
Mixture -rich
Prop - full forward (i.e. high RPM)
Seatbelt - fastened
Not every item will apply to every plane. Obviously no gear to check down
on a fixed gear plane, and no prop control on a fixed pitch prop. On
planes with automatic mixture (Katana) there may not even be a mixture
control. Some planes may require other items (i.e. carb heat on in a
152/172).
Also, some people mutate the standard GUMPS. Some people say the S stands
for Safety, and includes not just checking your seatbelt, but windows,
doors, and turning your landing light on. My primary instructor told me
to use the P as Power, and to check carb heat on and select a proper
throttle setting.
I've never seen the F thrown in there, but I would guess it stands for Flaps.
GUMPS does not replace a written checklist, but it's a good mental backup
to double-check you havn't forgotten anything critical. You should get
into the habit of running a quick GUMPS check (shouldn't take more than
about 5 seconds) on final. Don't just mumble the words, as you say each
item, reach out and touch it. I fly both fixed and retractable gear
planes, and I find it simpliest to always use the same GUMPS check on
final. If I'm flying an Archer (fixed gear, when I get to Undercarriage,
I reach out and move an imaginary gear handle. It keeps the routine
constant and helps reinforce the habit.
--
Roy Smith <r...@popmail.med.nyu.edu>
New York University School of Medicine
Roy Smith
> Gas (fullest tank)
You should really be thinking the more general "Fuel system properly
configured". In a PA-28, that means the fullest tank, but in other types
it may not be.
On something like a C-152, it just means "check fuel selector is on". On
planes with more complicated multi-tank fuel systems, it may mean "inboard
tanks selected", or "cross-feed disabled", or whatever is appropriate for
that specific type. I seem to remember reading that the Tri-Pacer has
some sort of assymetry in the fuel system and one tank (I don't remember
if it's the left or right) may be preferred even if it's not the fullest
one.
It may also mean to check other things, such as fuel pump on (required in
some types, forbidden in others, optional or simply non-existant in some).
Mark Kolber
>Landing:
>Flaps - 30 deg or as req
>Speed* 55(63)
>GUMPFS
>
>My question is this- What does GUMPFS mean. I can't remember ever
>seeing that before.
As other have said, it's a takeoff on the GUMPS check, in this case,
G - Gas on proper (fullest) tank
U - Undercarriage - usually for retractable gear, but I also like to
think of it as a reference to the landing lights
M - Mixture as required
P - Propeller full in (for adjustable prop), or Power, which could
also be a reminder for carb heat and other items that are involved in
a power reduction
F - Flaps as required for the landing
S - Safety - seat belts, windows (you do fly with your windows open on
nice days?)
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Jim Sokoloff
> That's another thing I'm not fond of in these mnemonics--to me,
> they aren't mnemonic. How often do you hear pilots talk about
> "fixed undercarriage" or "retractable undercarriage" planes outside
> of these lists? Isn't it usually "gear"?
Agreed with the general sentiment (much snipped), but
> How often do you hear
> American pilots talk about "gas" outside of these lists? Isn't it
> usually "fuel"? Fuel flow, fuel capacity, fuel reserve, fuel tester....
Gas guage, gas tank, gas station, gas prices, gas up, avgas...
---Jim
Alan Derrick
>U - Undercarriage
>M - Mixture
>P - Not sure, but since somewhere carb heat should be on, maybe this is it?
>S - Seatbelts
The PA28-161 manual describes p as refering to 'primer in and locked,' this
is a recuring theme with the cadet, as there has been a small (note 'small')
problem with leaks or loss of pressure through the primer system. It sounds
correct though, that in controllable speed planes, to use p for the
propeller.
Tina Marie
Roy Smith <r...@popmail.med.nyu.edu> wrote:
>that specific type. I seem to remember reading that the Tri-Pacer has
>some sort of assymetry in the fuel system and one tank (I don't remember
>if it's the left or right) may be preferred even if it's not the fullest
>one.
Left. The right tank is only for level flight if it's less then
1/3rd full. In practice, I always land on the left tank unless I
have a good reason too (or if I forget to switch tanks).
Tina Marie
--
An apostrophe does not mean, "Look out! Here comes an 's'!"
skydiver * PP-ASEL * http://www.neosoft.com/~tina
HLAviation
>have a good reason too (or if I forget to switch tanks).
>
>Tina Marie
>--
At least you admit it :)
Tina Marie
Mark D Jones
<dpdi...@catalina-inter.net> wrote:
>Today I had the aircraft reserved at my flight school for my first
>solo where I could 'just go out and fly.' I was looking forward to
>this. Unfortunately, things didn't go well when I got to the
>airport. First, my plane wasn't in yet. (A frequent problem that
>annoys me.) When the student got back in with the plane, he told me
>the radios were intermittant, so I chose another plane that was
>available on the schedule, and out to the ramp I went. During my
>preflight, I found that the checklists were gone. Damn- off to the
>pilot shop I went and I bought one of those plastic Checkmate
>checklists. Anyway- back out to the ramp to restart my checklist.
>Unchain the airplane, inspect everything, and discover that the tail
>beacon was haning in the rudder hinges by it's wires! Damn I can't fly
>this thing- and I blew $15 on this stupid checklist.
>
>Back to the office where I found my favorate plane had become
>available, and I ended up having a fantastic flight over the Queen
>Mary, Long Beach, looking out toward Catalina Island, and the coast.
>It was absolutely fantastic weather, not a cloud in the sky, 15 mile
>visibility, and the dew point down in the negative numbers (never
>heard that on the ATIS before today.)
>-------
>Anyway, now that I have shared the high points of my day, back to my
>question. On this fancy-schmancy checklist, it has something under
>the landing portion as follows:
>Landing:
>Flaps - 30 deg or as req
>Speed* 55(63)
>GUMPFS
>
>My question is this- What does GUMPFS mean. I can't remember ever
>seeing that before.
>
>
>
>
>--
>
>Dan Dillon KD6FPX
>http://www.catalina-inter.net/dpdillon/
>Seeking Electrical Engineering Position
>mailto:dpdi...@catalina-inter.net
>
>--
>
>
Hello again Dan,
It means Gas Undercarriage (which means wheels and flaps) Mixture Prop
Seatbelt & I don't know what the F is for but I'm sure someone else
does. That never worked for me, I need a W for Wheels.
Mark Dillon Jones CFII
ac...@airmail.net
Junior Birdman
--Tom--
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Junior Birdman wrote in message <70oqeo$j2f$1...@news-01.meganews.com>...
>F is for "flaps"
Andrew M. Sarangan
C - Cowl Flaps
G - Gas
U - Undercarriage
M - Mixture
S - Systems check (all switches, guages and seat belts)
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PP-ASEL-IA http://lights.chtm.unm.edu/~sarangan/aviation/
Jacob Radloff
The F stands for "Fuel On: Sufficient"
John Price
of the other stuff!
John
jnowak...@gmail.com
steve.bu...@gmail.com
Gas
Undercarriage
Mixture
Flaps
Prop
ouwer...@shaw.ca
U – Undercarriage (landing gear down)
M – Mixture (fuel mixture set)
P – Propeller (prop set)
S – Seat belts and Switches (lights, pitot heat, etc.)
airwo...@gmail.com
Checkmate would work with each company and make a visual friendlychecklist for all their aircrafts. From then on checklist became raiser to read and were very accurate.
This is a warning DO NOT EVER use a printed checklist that doesn't have identification on it.
If it has not been copied from the Ops. Manual and laminated do not use it. There was a case about 15 years ago where the chief pilot put checklists from older aircraft into new aircraft with fuel injection. You guessed it on final the students turned on the fuel pumps as listed on the checklist. They lost two aircraft to fires and the third badly damaged. ALWAYS USE A CHECKMATE CHECKLIST. They are all approved by each mfg. and very easy to use.
I have a friend with a 37 or 38 Fairchild and they had a Checkmate for it.
Happy flying
John Slate
AGI/IGI and over 1500 students
eisenz...@gmail.com
> Dan Dillon wrote in message <362ABC93...@catalina-inter.net>...
> < snip >
> >seeing that before.
>
>
>
> M - Mixture
> F - Flaps (You can add 2 F's to this for Fuel Pump)
> S - Seatbelts
> I learned SEGUM
>
> S - Seatbelts
> E - Carb heat (don't ask me, I don't get it either)
