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-M

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Jan 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/17/97
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I am ready to kill.

Here I am, supposed to solo next week. Should be happy, right? Well not
me! I got my medical cert 5 or 6 weeks ago (anticipation!). Kept it in
my wallet, on my person at all times, away from all harm...or so I
thought.

Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
yellow bits!

Not one to panic, I called my Doc who told me I need to get a duplicate
from the FAA. No problem. Call the FAA and they are happy to provide me
with a dupe! Just send them some info and a check for $2! Cool, me
thinks, as I jot this down. The next words I head nearly gave me a heart
attack -- my cert will be in the mail to me IN 4 to 6 WEEKS!!!

I can't wait that long! 4 to 6 WEEKS???? I am about to SOLO!!! Don't
they KNOW that???

Its the gov't. I should have figured as much.

Meanwhile, I need to know if anyone has had this happen to them before and
how long did it really take? Is there another way to get a new cert?
Could I go to another doctor and get a new one? (I'd pay the doc bill
gladly instead of wait).

Please help!

Signed,
Forlorn and without hope.


--------------------------------------------
DO NOT SEND ME SPAM OR JUNK EMAIL.
If I didn't ask for it, I don't want it.
I am warning you now -- you will get FLAMED!
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Bridgette Doremire

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Jan 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/18/97
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Check out part 61 of the regs. They should be able to telegram something
that would act as a temporary medical certificate until you get your
replacement one.

To prevent that problem as you are also required to carry your logbook
with you on X-C flights, my instructor taped an envelope to the back
cover of my logbook and put my certificate in there.

Hope this helps!

Bridgette


Ronen Magid

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Jan 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/18/97
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On Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:14:37 -0500, -M <mab...@gate.cybernex.net>
wrote:

>
>I can't wait that long! 4 to 6 WEEKS???? I am about to SOLO!!! Don't
>they KNOW that???
>

Boy, you are spoiled :-)

In Israel, Where I learn to fly, you have to wait 4 months (4!!) if
you fail a written test (and there are SEVEN written tests) and
ofcourse- no success in the written tests... no checkride !

Learn to appreciate the pleasant flying atmosphere where you live :-)


.....4-6 weeks delay.... HA!

Ronen


Alan Porter

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Jan 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/19/97
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I Understand there are also SEVERE restrictions in the Middle East
were one can fly as wel .. :(

Al.


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Derek Rowan

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Jan 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/20/97
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-M wrote:

> Meanwhile, I need to know if anyone has had this happen to them before and
> how long did it really take? Is there another way to get a new cert?
> Could I go to another doctor and get a new one? (I'd pay the doc bill
> gladly instead of wait).
>
> Please help!
>
> Signed,
> Forlorn and without hope.

I just plain lost mine right before my solo. (Never did find it...) I
called the FAA, and they faxed me a letter indicating my medical status.
I took that letter to the senior flight instructor who approved it. I
believe I received the letter by fax the same day I asked for it. Good
luck.

Derek Rowan, HLP Associates, Inc.
de...@hlpinc.com http://www.hlpinc.com

Allen Johnson

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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<original post snipped>

>
> I just plain lost mine right before my solo. (Never did find it...) I
> called the FAA, and they faxed me a letter indicating my medical status.
> I took that letter to the senior flight instructor who approved it. I
> believe I received the letter by fax the same day I asked for it. Good
> luck.
>

Although it won't help you get it back, I'll give you a tip that might
keep you from losing it. At the airport where I train, the instructors
have every student tape their medical certificate inside the front
of their logbook when they get it (on one side, of course, so it
can be endorsed on the back as necessary). It's a lot harder to lose
or wash a big blue logbook than a little yellow piece of paper.

Allen Johnson
a...@intrex.net
15.5 hours toward PPL

-M

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
to Greg Amy

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Greg Amy wrote:

> > Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
> > was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
> > yellow bits!
>

> Dear Forlorned,
<snip>
> However, I've had absolutely wonderful response from the people there in
> Oklahoma City. I'd suggest you call them, and patiently explain your
> situation. Let them know what you need, and ask them if there is

<snip>
> Next time, you might get everything laminated, too. > >

Doesn'y your instructor have to sign the back? If its laminated, how can
he do that??


Michael Richmann

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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This one's tough but follow along closely... Laminate it *after*
your instructor signs it.
--
Mike

My opinions, not Argonne’s...

Curtis Wheeler

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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Jeffrey M. Matthews wrote:
>
> In article <32E4F6...@qmgate.anl.gov>,

> Michael Richmann <michael_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
> >-M wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Greg Amy wrote:
> >>
> >> > > Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
> >> > > was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
> >> > > yellow bits!
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> > Next time, you might get everything laminated, too. > >
> >>
> >> Doesn'y your instructor have to sign the back? If its laminated, how can
> >> he do that??
> >
> >This one's tough but follow along closely... Laminate it *after*
> >your instructor signs it.

You know what? I have never put my logbook through the washing machine.

When I was a student I stapled my medical/student certificate into my
log. There have been a few times since my checkride where I have flown
off without my log book but when I was a student I always had it with me
in the plane (since my CFI and I were always writting in it).

Even though it is no good anymore - it's still in there.

Regards

--
Curtis

Jeffrey M. Matthews

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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In article <32E4F6...@qmgate.anl.gov>,
Michael Richmann <michael_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
>-M wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Greg Amy wrote:
>>
>> > > Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
>> > > was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
>> > > yellow bits!
>>
>> <snip>
>> > Next time, you might get everything laminated, too. > >
>>
>> Doesn'y your instructor have to sign the back? If its laminated, how can
>> he do that??
>
>This one's tough but follow along closely... Laminate it *after*
>your instructor signs it.
>--

Well, son, you've been signed off for the 152 and the Cub, and don't have
any difficulty with them. I'd be happy to sign you off for the Chipmunk,
but I guess I can't since your license is already laminated.

Jeff Matthews
(No, I no longer have access to the 'Munk)


Tom Knibbs

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Jan 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/21/97
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Greg Amy wrote:
>
> > Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
> > was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
> > yellow bits!
>
> Dear Forlorned,
>
> I think the basic answer to your query is that it's unlikely that you
> will be able to get your Medical Cert within days.

>
> However, I've had absolutely wonderful response from the people there in
> Oklahoma City. I'd suggest you call them, and patiently explain your
> situation. Let them know what you need, and ask them if there is
> ANYTHING that they could do to help you out of your dilemna. If there
> is, they will be happy to help. If not, you'll have to chalk it up to
> experience, and take the time to get a few more long cross-countries in,
> solo.

>
> Next time, you might get everything laminated, too.

Greg:
That's the response he's (Forlorned) looking for. I,ve called the Airman
Certification division in the past about replacement tickets. They have
been great, I talk to "Joyce" and I'll tell you that if you have the
right attitude, you're patient and friendly, you'll go along way. I've
had replacements in under a week. The truth..
Tom
--
(::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::)
| Tom Knibbs
| <tkp...@flinet.com>
|
| Visit me at:"http://www.tkphoto.com/"
| "The Mind, like a Pool of Water,
| Reflects best when still and undisturbed"
(<<<<<<<<<<-------------------->>>>>>>>>>>>)

Steve Watkins

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Jan 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/22/97
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-M wrote:
>
> I am ready to kill.
>
> Here I am, supposed to solo next week. Should be happy, right? Well not
> me! I got my medical cert 5 or 6 weeks ago (anticipation!). Kept it in
> my wallet, on my person at all times, away from all harm...or so I
> thought.
>
> Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
> was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
> yellow bits!
>
> Not one to panic, I called my Doc who told me I need to get a duplicate
> from the FAA. No problem. Call the FAA and they are happy to provide me
> with a dupe! Just send them some info and a check for $2! Cool, me
> thinks, as I jot this down. The next words I head nearly gave me a heart
> attack -- my cert will be in the mail to me IN 4 to 6 WEEKS!!!
>
> I can't wait that long! 4 to 6 WEEKS???? I am about to SOLO!!! Don't
> they KNOW that???
>
> Its the gov't. I should have figured as much.
>
> Meanwhile, I need to know if anyone has had this happen to them before and
> how long did it really take? Is there another way to get a new cert?
> Could I go to another doctor and get a new one? (I'd pay the doc bill
> gladly instead of wait).
>
> Please help!
>
> Signed,
> Forlorn and without hope.
>
> --------------------------------------------
> DO NOT SEND ME SPAM OR JUNK EMAIL.
> If I didn't ask for it, I don't want it.
> I am warning you now -- you will get FLAMED!
> --------------------------------------------

Yes, you can go to a doc and get another one any time. It'll just
cost ya a few bucks.

Steve Watkins

Michael Richmann

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Jan 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/22/97
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Jeffrey M. Matthews wrote:
>
> In article <32E4F6...@qmgate.anl.gov>,
> Michael Richmann <michael_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
> >-M wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Greg Amy wrote:
> >>
> >> > > Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
> >> > > was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
> >> > > yellow bits!
> >>
> >> <snip>

> >> > Next time, you might get everything laminated, too. > >
> >>
> >> Doesn'y your instructor have to sign the back? If its laminated, how can
> >> he do that??
> >
> >This one's tough but follow along closely... Laminate it *after*
> >your instructor signs it.
> >--
>
> Well, son, you've been signed off for the 152 and the Cub, and don't have
> any difficulty with them. I'd be happy to sign you off for the Chipmunk,
> but I guess I can't since your license is already laminated.
>
> Jeff Matthews
> (No, I no longer have access to the 'Munk)

I was being sarcastic. There's no space on the back (or front
for that matter) for any instructor to sign anything on my license.
OTOH, I haven't laminated my logbook so the high performance
endorsement for my 182 might be at risk the next time I spill
a Coke... 8^O

Jerome Kaidor

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Jan 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/22/97
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In article <1997Jan21.2...@apgea.army.mil>,

Jeffrey M. Matthews <jmma...@apgea.army.mil> wrote:
>In article <32E4F6...@qmgate.anl.gov>,
>Michael Richmann <michael_...@qmgate.anl.gov> wrote:
>>-M wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Greg Amy wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Last week my girlfriend did my laundry. You guessed it -- the Med Cert
>>> > > was in my wallet, in my pants, in the washing machine, in tiny little
>>> > > yellow bits!
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> > Next time, you might get everything laminated, too. > >
>>>
>>> Doesn'y your instructor have to sign the back? If its laminated, how can
>>> he do that??
>>
>>This one's tough but follow along closely... Laminate it *after*
>>your instructor signs it.
>>--
>
>Well, son, you've been signed off for the 152 and the Cub, and don't have
>any difficulty with them. I'd be happy to sign you off for the Chipmunk,
>but I guess I can't since your license is already laminated.
>
*** Don't laminate it. Instead, just staple it into your logbook. Staple
it with the "instructor endorsement" side facing up. Now, you have
just one item ( the logbook ) that you have to keep with you to be legal to
fly.

Now, if you should happen to leave the logbook in the wash, you're SOL.
Me, I keep an up-to-date photocopy of my logbook at home.

- Jerry Kaidor


Greg Branche

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Jan 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/22/97
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In article <32E4D4...@spam.net>, Allen Johnson <n...@spam.net> wrote:

> Although it won't help you get it back, I'll give you a tip that might
> keep you from losing it. At the airport where I train, the instructors
> have every student tape their medical certificate inside the front
> of their logbook when they get it (on one side, of course, so it
> can be endorsed on the back as necessary). It's a lot harder to lose
> or wash a big blue logbook than a little yellow piece of paper.
>

I did that on my own at first. My instructor went to check it one day and
said "Why didn't you just tape an envelope there?" Duh!

So now, the inside cover of my logbook has an envelope taped in place,
which now holds my medical certificate (which is the same piece of paper,
for now) along with my PP-ASEL certificate. As I add ratings, etc., it'll
be a lot easier to replace the old cert. with the new one.

Greg Branche

Ron Natalie

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Jan 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/22/97
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> This one's tough but follow along closely... Laminate it *after*
> your instructor signs it.

And hope you don't ever want to fly a different aircraft.
It has to get endorsed for each model.

Since a student pilot pretty much has to tote his logbook
around anyhow, I just used to keep mine clipped to the last
page in my book.

-Ron

DMorell Sr

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Jan 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/26/97
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I put it in a clear plastic cover and taped it in my flight log book.
Always have that with me and and too big to go unnoticed into the washing
machine.

Dan

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