List PPL on Normal job application/resume???
FlynEarful
I was wodering if I should put that i have a PPL on the application under
schools/colleges? I know it wouldnt hurt to put it on the app, but would it
help at all do you think?
I am looking for a job in the Puget Sound area. I have a 2 yr college degree
and private pilot license. I also have 2 minors complete but i dont have the 4
yr complete so I cant list the minors. No where is hiring and I cant find any
jobs that require at least a 2 yr degree. All the jobs I find pay only $7/hr
and i cant afford the IFR with that much. I am not currently working because I
am taking time off of school.
Thanks,
jay
Jeff Cook
> I am looking for a normal job ie. non flying.
> I was wodering if I should put that i have a PPL on the application
under
> schools/colleges? I know it wouldnt hurt to put it on the app, but
would it
> help at all do you think?
No, for a non-aviation job, it would likely not help at all, but instead
look a bit unprofessional. College is considered more generalized
education. Flight training is a more specialized interest & skill that
doesn't belong in the same category (neither would tennis lessons). It
certainly belongs on your resume, but only under 'recreation', or 'other
interests'.
IMHO, natch.
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J. C. Kamienski
: I am looking for a normal job ie. non flying.
: I was wodering if I should put that i have a PPL on the application under
: schools/colleges? I know it wouldnt hurt to put it on the app, but would it
: help at all do you think?
I list my private pilot certificate in a short "other interests" type of
section on my resume. This is the section I use to show potential employers
that I'm a well-rounded person, and have achieved things outside school and
work, through my own motivation. It includes my private pilot certificate,
my extra class amateur radio license, an award in the Mathematical Contest
in Modeling, and some other things I did for myself; not because I was
required to do it, but because I wanted to do it.
Is it worth it? Maybe, maybe not. If the person looking at your resume
is a pilot or is interested in flying, it may get you off to a good start,
but the rest of your qualifications will determine whether or not you fit
the job.
It can also be used by the person interviewing you to get conversation
started.
A lot will depend on the type of job you are looking for, too.
I work for a company that offers aviation safety services. While not all
our employees are pilots, it certainly is beneficial to have some flying
experience.
Now, in reference to your thread title, I would NEVER list a PPL, or
private pilot license on a resume. Someone may look at your resume who
actually knows it's not a license, but rather is a certificate, and may
wonder about someone who doesn't even use the proper name for their
achievement.
It may sound nit-picky, but you NEED to nit-pick a resume in order to make
employers take notice of it.
Jill
N8909T
Jim Fisher
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> No, for a non-aviation job, it would likely not help at all, but instead
> look a bit unprofessional.
With all due respect, bullsquat.
If I were looking for a computer technician or programmer and had to pick
between two dudes with college degrees--but one of them had a Private
certificate--I would hire the pilot. Especially if he owned a really cool
plane.
A private ticket is an accomplishment that demonstrates an understanding of
a whole lot of different disciplines that not too many people are capable of
undertaking. . . . Quit laughing, I'm serious!
I would have been just as impressed with such a resume before I became a
pilot myself.
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Jim Fisher
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Newsps
irrelevant to the job he is applying for, but the fact that he pursued and
accomplished a goal says something about him in general, and maybe all of us
too. It's one of those pieces of a personality that a resume or even an
interview can't pull out, yet says so much about someone.
"J. C. Kamienski" <kami...@ucsu.colorado.edu> wrote in message
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>I am looking for a normal job ie. non flying.
>I was wodering if I should put that i have a PPL on the application under
>schools/colleges? I know it wouldnt hurt to put it on the app, but would it
>help at all do you think?
>
Two weeks ago I wondered the same thing. For laughs I put it on my resume.
I was called in for a interview, talked for a few minutes about the job. The
man said "it says here your a student pilot" We talked for an hour about
flying. He is a pilot as well. Then he says "how would you like to come
work for me" I think it broke the ice for me in the interview. but your
mileage may vary.
Dale
"Flying For Me Is Like Being A Sex Maniac In Whorehouse"---Pancho Barnes
Tony Roberts
> I am looking for a normal job ie. non flying.
> I was wodering if I should put that i have a PPL on the application under
> schools/colleges?
Hi Jay
I know from where I speak - I used to own a large recruitment and training
organization in SE Asia.
The answer to your question is - Yes in 90% of applications.
Employers want to see that you can you do the job, and that you will fit
in with the existing employees and structure.
After that they want to see if you are capable of learning - can you
learn new skills, can you demonstrate achievement levels (in anything?).
Can you demonstrate problem solving skills? Can you demonstrate
organizational skills? etc. etc.
PP-ASEL addresses all of these.
The areas where it won't help? A low skill job where you may be
considered overqualified or over-ambitious, or a company that is prepared
to invest high training dollars in you, wants you to stay with them for a
long time but believes that you are taking the job as a stop gap while
you find something more desirable.
Hope this helps
--
Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
d >
I think things like this ("hobbies") have no plae on a resume. The only
benefite I see to listing this is if you think there's a chance that someone
doing the hiring is a pilot too - then it's great. But unless that's the case,
I think it's not called for.
-d
Jeff Cook
> > No, for a non-aviation job, it would likely not help at all, but
instead
> > look a bit unprofessional.
>
> With all due respect, bullsquat.
>
> If I were looking for a computer technician or programmer and had to
pick
> between two dudes with college degrees--but one of them had a Private
> certificate--I would hire the pilot. Especially if he owned a really
cool
> plane.
Hold on there, Captain. You need to reread the questions & replies
(unless mine wasn't clear). The question is WHERE on the resume to list
it: next to his college degree or under 'other interests.' I agree it is
highly valuable for any resume, but not next to your academic education
(unless it's ERAU, etc).
Brien K. Meehan
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> So would I...but how about the people who are ignorant/phobic about
airplanes?
Hopefully, putting your PPL on your resume will prevent you from working
with them.
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terrorism and an imminent mortal threat to myself and others, and will be
met with lethal force to oppose that threat.
Bruce Anthony
I also have 2 minors complete but i dont have the 4
> yr complete so I cant list the minors.
Says who? If you're in school and have completed the minors, say so. If
your not in school and have completed the minors, you can still say you've
completed the minors. Just be honest and succinct.
Bruce
Jim Fisher
> (unless mine wasn't clear). The question is WHERE on the resume to list
> it: next to his college degree or under 'other interests.' I agree it is
> highly valuable for any resume, but not next to your academic education
> (unless it's ERAU, etc).
Oh.
Umm, sorry.
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Jim Fisher
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Colin Rasmussen
I would put it down as one of those other things, like ballet lessons,
or whatever interests you have outside your professional line.
Colin
Margy Natalie
d wrote:
> So would I...but how about the people who are ignorant/phobic about airplanes?
>
> I think things like this ("hobbies") have no plae on a resume. The only
> benefite I see to listing this is if you think there's a chance that someone
> doing the hiring is a pilot too - then it's great. But unless that's the case,
> I think it's not called for.
Untrue, it shows an interesting, motivated individual who takes on challenges. Of
course in my business (education) it just means you are on the sucker list for
anything involving aviation. I now have 2 aviation clubs (one in Women in Aviation
because the girls were too intimidated by the boys) and now I've been suckered into
being the Science Olympiad coach for propellor powered indoor flight (time aloft).
I have NO idea what to do with this one, but I figure I'll learn quick :-). Anyone
here ever do this competition?
Margy
C J Campbell
hobbies like aviation. They are afraid you will not be fully dedicated to
the job and waste your co-workers' time by talking about your hobbies.
As a rule of thumb, I would never list anything not pertinent to the job on
a resume or job application. I would want an employer to have the impression
that working for him is all I think about, day and night.
"FlynEarful" <flyne...@aol.com> wrote in message
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'Vejita' S. Cousin
>So would I...but how about the people who are ignorant/phobic about airplanes?
>
>I think things like this ("hobbies") have no plae on a resume. The only
>benefite I see to listing this is if you think there's a chance that someone
>doing the hiring is a pilot too - then it's great. But unless that's the case,
>I think it's not called for.
I have to agree. Besides aviation I'm also really into the martial
arts. I've found that a fair number of people are really biased against
both hobbies, so it's best not to list them. IF during the interview you
get a feeling that it might help, then by all means. But other wise (in
my own personal non-random observations) it's either neutral or it hurts
you.
FlynEarful
I have something to annoy people about when they talk nothing about thier
kids... ie flying.
Aris
> hobbies like aviation. They are afraid you will not be fully dedicated to
> the job and waste your co-workers' time by talking about your hobbies.
>
Then again, others like me like to hire people with well-rounded lives
outside of work. From my experience, employees who don't have anything
better to do but work quickly burn out. I like to hire people with
seemingly time-consuming or intensive hobbies like aviation. These people
typically display excellent time-management skills.
But, more specific to the question that started this thread, I list the PPL
under a section called "Certifications." I have a separate section called
"Education" for specific degree(s) relevant to the position I'm applying
for. I agree with Jill that you should list it as a certificate and not a
license.
But, having said that, I agree with another earlier post. Listing the PPL
could easily make you appear to be overqualified for a lot of jobs.
Good luck!!
Mike Echo Mike
instance, I am a certified Toastmaster and I completed two ANA Numismatist
courses with Honors and High Honors. For me, as a technical writer, it allows
me to show financial people that I know money and underscore to manufacturing
that I know high-speed, high precision methods.
I often include an aviation article I have written recently, along with a coins
article, as samples of my work. If anyone asks why I do not include computer
documentation -- for instance Web pages for Fortune 500 -- I explain that I do
not violate the confidence of my clients by showing their work around town to
their competitors.
We are all trained to view employers as medieval barons. We are serfs. We suck
up to them for what they graciously choose to grant us. Baloney. Myself, I
have spent perhaps too much time unemployed over the years, but I never go to
work for anyone who does accept me on my own terms.
I worked for a year for an employer who felt that anything that distracted you
or your coworkers was bad for business. I left for that and other reasons. I
agree 100% that people waste too much time on the job. Most people are serfs
who give the least necessary because they hate their lot in life. However,
given that any office has a slew of timewasting behaviors built in, any employer
who was concerned that you would talk too much about flying is not worth working
for. The same goes for anyone who would not trust you or who would fear you or
who otherwise does not understand you because you are a pilot.
You can feel sorry for them. You do not need to work for them. Take your
talents elsewhere. Let Atlas Shrug.
Willy
> hobbies like aviation. They are afraid you will not be fully dedicated to
> the job and waste your co-workers' time by talking about your hobbies.
I don't think I want to work for anyone like that.
Back in 86 I was hired by a firm because the Manager noticed I had computers
down as a hobby. The work wasn't computer related at all but since he loved
writing Fortran programs on his Wang computer to keep track of personnel
data, he hired me without any office experience at all. He was a great
mentor and I stayed for 12 years till he retired.
I quit after a year with my new boss because we weren't compatible.
If you find a boss who has similar interests it's a bonus. If you don't get
hired because he/she is averse to hiring a pilot it's even better.
Willy
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Tim Howell
> Science Olympiad coach for propellor powered indoor flight (time aloft). I
> have NO idea what to do with this one, but I figure I'll learn quick :-).
> Anyone here ever do this competition?
My highschool won the Science Olympiad national championship a couple
times in the past five years. I don't remember the specifics, but the
guy on our team that did the powered flight competition built a plane
that seemed to stay up forever. =)
--Tim Howell
P.S. No, I wasn't on the team. Some of the brightest people I've ever
known were, though. =)