WTB: Grob 102
chip...@my-deja.com
I'm shopping for my "first glass glider" and a friend suggested that I
should seriously consider a Grob 102 Astir CS or similar and try this
forum to locate ones that are for sale. He loves his and wont sell it! I
also would appreciate pro/con comments on this choice.
Thanks in advance.
--
Ken
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Before you buy.
Alton Dalton
I惴 a 17 year old german gliderpilot with my licence. It was my first single
seater after the beginnings on an ASK13. I had no problems to get used to
it, not in the air or during launch or landing! The airbrakes need few
flights to get used to them, easy to handle. But the rudder, oh my god! Very
strange thing at the first moment, but that goes away. And you need to use
some power to move the stick or even only hold it still at higher speeds.
But the thing I hate is to stick the plane together. It愀 not easy.
The version I have flown is an Astir CS Jeans, no water ballast, fixed gear.
Hope this could help and I really like Astir, although I now fly a DG-100G
and soon, when my club purchased a new plane (maybe LS-4b), the new one.
Happy Landings
Jean Richard
>
> I´m a 17 year old german gliderpilot with my licence. It was my first single
> seater after the beginnings on an ASK13. I had no problems to get used to
> it, not in the air or during launch or landing!
After flying an ASK13, a Grob 102 may look like a lazy cow.
Jean
Caracole
With all respect, I know you have read r.a.s. over the past year....
The G-102 may "fly" like a cow compared to the K-13.
But we all know that it is the PW-5 that must
"Look like a lazy cow," based on the bull's response.
If it must, I hope my 102 looks like a yearling Brown Guernsey....
leggy, limber, lank, white - with generous red trim, good heat tolerance,
gentle disposition ....
http://www.allcows.com/world/gb/Guernsey/guernsey.htm
:-)
Cindy
Jean Richard <j.ri...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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that everyone elses eyes are going fuzzy). but we love (loved) our 102
club that we had, it flys great nothing like the 103, the 102 is very
well balanced, easy to fly, easy to land too when i was 14 i put it
into an alfafa field. But unfortunalty someone broke my baby on my
15bday. If i remember right it was one of the most popular single seat
ships to rent. I would see no problems buying one as a first time
ship, you could always sell it and get your money back out.
Garret
chip...@my-deja.com
Thanks for the information. Yes,the majority of the people I have talked
to so far, really like a 102 and some have pointed out that it is not
like a 103.
Thanks again, Ken
F.L. Whiteley
<chip...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8v0rii$c55$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Hi Garret,
>
> Thanks for the information. Yes,the majority of the people I have talked
> to so far, really like a 102 and some have pointed out that it is not
> like a 103.
>
Frank Whiteley
Colorado
John H. Campbell
impossible to take off or land badly. Very stable. Big cockpit, big
canopy, big brakes. Good performer. If American clubs just had more G102s
and Juniors (another very nice first glider) instead of 1-26s (or no
single-seaters at all), we might see a lot more badge legs flown. --JHC
Jean Richard
>
> With all respect, I know you have read r.a.s. over the past year....
> The G-102 may "fly" like a cow compared to the K-13.
>
> But we all know that it is the PW-5 that must
> "Look like a lazy cow," based on the bull's response.
Not the apparence of the Grob 102 (it's nice), but the way it flies.
I missed the opportunity to fly with a PW-5, but I'm sure it's a lot
more nervous than a Grob 102.
The rate of roll of a Grob 102 is not really faster than the second's hand
on a clock (360° per minute) ;-))
Otherwise, I agree that the 102 is an excellent club glider. Very easy
to fly, forgivable, confortable (except for too tall people - they can
wait to get older - after 60, we all begin to shrink).
Jean
Jean Richard
>
> Hi Garret,
>
> Thanks for the information. Yes,the majority of the people I have talked
> to so far, really like a 102 and some have pointed out that it is not
> like a 103.
Compared to a 103, the 102 has less performance. But it has lighter controls
(which is not difficult - the 103 is really heavy). Both are easy to fly
and very forgivable.
Jean
Robert Ehrlich
> ...
> Otherwise, I agree that the 102 is an excellent club glider. Very easy
> to fly, forgivable, confortable (except for too tall people - they can
> wait to get older - after 60, we all begin to shrink).
My club was owning an Astir until end 97, I don't remember exactly what variant,
there are so many ones, anyway it was an hybrid, the wings and the fuselage
were of different types, it had a retracting gear. My very limited experience
as well as what was said about it and the way it was used in my club doesn't
exactly match the above opinion (Very easy to fly, forgivable). At that time
this glider in my club was a mandatory intermediate stage between the ASK-23
(really very easy to fly and forgivable, due to its relatively low wing loading)
and the other higher performance ships (LS1-f, Pegases, LS4, DG300, ASW-24, Discus,
LS6, in order of increasing supposed performance and time needed to be allowed to
fly them). The common thing to be heard about the Astir was that it had to be
landed with the appropriate speed with few tolerance. A bit to fast and you will
bounce, a bit to slow and you will fall suddently on the ground from a few feet.
So once you could land this one correctly on every flight, you were ready for flying
the other ships.
I had only 3 flights on it, where I experienced the 3 variants of landing: one
to fast where I bounced, one correct and one to slow where I landed hard. One week
later another pilot made again a landing of this last type, probably falling from
a higher level and the metal frame holding the landing gear broke. Nobody flew it
again in the club since after that it was repaired and sold.
Jean Richard
> My club was owning an Astir until end 97, I don't remember exactly what variant,
> there are so many ones, anyway it was an hybrid, the wings and the fuselage
> were of different types, it had a retracting gear. My very limited experience
> as well as what was said about it and the way it was used in my club doesn't
> exactly match the above opinion (Very easy to fly, forgivable).
That's true for the G102 Club III (which is not a retractable, but a three
wheel gear just like the ASK23). I don't know about all models, but that
one is easy to fly and forgivable - but I would say that an ASW24, a LS4
and even a Pégase are as easy, if not easier to fly than the G102. And I
prefer the two wheel configuration to the three wheel.
Jean
Jean Richard
>
> Wonderful single-seat glider. With fixed 3-wheel gear (G102 IIIb) almost
> impossible to take off or land badly.
Yes and no ! I have seen pilots who got bad habits (on SGS and Blaník L13/23 -
which can be landed in almost all attitudes without punishing you) which
resulted in a poorly rounded landing, and a touch on the front wheel. The
bounce can be worst than with a conventional gear.
> Very stable. Big cockpit, big
> canopy, big brakes. Good performer. If American clubs just had more G102s
> and Juniors (another very nice first glider) instead of 1-26s (or no
> single-seaters at all), we might see a lot more badge legs flown.
I fully agree with the last part of your comments ;-)))
Flying tomatoes are coming soon ;-)))
Jean
Robertmudd1u
>Thanks for the information. Yes, the majority of the people I have talked
>to so far, really like a 102 and some have pointed out that it is not
>like a 103.
The handling qualities of the G-102 gliders very much depend on which version
you have. Although all G-102s have the same American type certificate the Astir
CS (G-102) is a completely different glider than the Astir IIIb (G-102). Both
inside and out are changed from the CS to the IIIb. The IIIb is a delight to
fly and has far better handling qualities than the Astir CS. With some careful
sealing, cleaning and lubrication the handling of the average Astir CS can be
improved a bit.
As far as I can see the only thing all the 102s have in common is the wing's
airfoil and the wing area. I think they use the same size tire also.
Robert Mudd
Jose Manuel Alvarez Marín
though, but I fit.
I like the way it flies, nice first single seater. Another thread proposed
Discus as first single seater and I think that's wasting a wonderful machine
on an inexperienced driver. I logged over one hundred hours before getting my
hands over a Discus, and still I have hundreds of hours to log before I begin
to use it right.
The Astir behaves nicely and it's easy to fly.
PW5 flies like a comet in the wind. Nice for local flying, in head wind you
better look for an outlanding field... Very light controls, climbs very well.
A good glider to rent and have fun, not the one I would buy.
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Robert Mudd
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Frank Whiteley
I have a G-102 available to sell.
Frank Whiteley
Henry Swayze
Thanks Henry Swayze