Oudie N vs. SeeYou Navigator on an iPad Mini

[Gianni Isotope]

I currently have an LXNAV S80 vario in my glider, coupled to an LXNAV Nano3 as my GPS source. I also have an iPad Mini and a current subscription to SeeYou. If I add a Bluetooth dongle to the S80 to communicate data to the iPad and install SeeYou Navigator on the iPad, will I have all of the functionality that is available on the Oudie N?

I like the idea of having a touchscreen that is significantly larger than that of the Oudie N, and having to invest less than $100 for the dongle.

[MMOORE]

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 10:30:11 AM UTC-5, gianni...@gmail.com wrote:
> I currently have an LXNAV S80 vario in my glider, coupled to an LXNAV Nano3 as my GPS source. I also have an iPad Mini and a current subscription to SeeYou. If I add a Bluetooth dongle to the S80 to communicate data to the iPad and install SeeYou Navigator on the iPad, will I have all of the functionality that is available on the Oudie N?
>
> I like the idea of having a touchscreen that is significantly larger than that of the Oudie N, and having to invest less than $100 for the dongle.

Sounds like a great solution

[Muttley]

You could also consider this product
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/tripltek-8-pro
I have no connection to supplier

Muttley

[Eric Greenwell]

On 2/23/2022 7:30 AM, Gianni Isotope wrote:
> I currently have an LXNAV S80 vario in my glider, coupled to an LXNAV Nano3 as my GPS source. I also have an iPad Mini and a current subscription to SeeYou. If I add a Bluetooth dongle to the S80 to communicate data to the iPad and install SeeYou Navigator on the iPad, will I have all of the functionality that is available on the Oudie N?
>
> I like the idea of having a touchscreen that is significantly larger than that of the Oudie N, and having to invest less than $100 for the dongle.

According to Naviter, Navigator requires iOS 14 or higher, so my iPad mini (iOS 9 max) and
iPhone 6 (iOS 12 max) will not (and do not) run Navigator. Be sure to try Navigator on
your iPad before making any plans.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications

[Gianni Isotope]

> According to Naviter, Navigator requires iOS 14 or higher, so my iPad mini (iOS 9 max) and
> iPhone 6 (iOS 12 max) will not (and do not) run Navigator. Be sure to try Navigator on
> your iPad before making any plans.

Thanks. I must have a newer iPad mini -- its running iOS 15. I don't see any settings in SeeYou Navigator to select Bluetooth data for input. Does this happen automatically?

[Gianni Isotope]

Never mind, PEBKU (Problem Exists Between Keyboard and User)

[George Haeh]

I also have a dongle on order to connect to an Android tablet with software upgraded to 11. Cumulus Soaring supplies a NavPad which is handy for mounting a tablet on your thigh where it doesn't block the view outside. I'll be finding out if a Nexus 7 2013 is bright enough lower down.

[Michael N.]

On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 2:23:47 PM UTC-5, georg...@gmail.com wrote:
> I also have a dongle on order to connect to an Android tablet with software upgraded to 11. Cumulus Soaring supplies a NavPad which is handy for mounting a tablet on your thigh where it doesn't block the view outside. I'll be finding out if a Nexus 7 2013 is bright enough lower down.

I am doing the exact same thing. I have a Nexus 7 sitting in front of me that I just bought off eBay for $50.00. I have to update the O.S. to Android 11. Then test. It might work well. Will see...

[2TK]

I just purchased Ipad Mini 6th generation and I'm currently running Seeyou Navigator on it. As Gianni said, I like the functionality and also the ability to switch between apps, foreflight for example, during the flight. Waiting for RAM mounts to come out with their cradle mount and I plan on installing it on the panel itself to have my legs free.

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

That will work. However, I think you will find that the iPad is very difficult to read in sunlight in a glider. It will automatically dim down the screen to keep the unit from overheating. It may also shut-down if it gets too hot - especially when connected to external power.

If those issues happen, I highly recommend a Naviter Oudie N. If you want a larger screen, then the TRIPLTEK 8 Pro is a great option.
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-oudie-n
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/tripltek-8-pro

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

[Eric Greenwell]

I use an iPhone 6 Plus in my glider, and it does have have the overheating issues you
mentions I compensate for the issues with small a (40 mm square) 12 volt computer fan
blowing on the back of the phone. I shade the phone while on the ground, and full fan
speed (noticeable fan noise) keeps it from overheating until I'm up in the cooler air,
where low speed (very low noise) or off is sufficient. Gianni's mini may also need the
cooling, perhaps two fans for it's larger size, but that's a cheap and easy way to make it
usable.

[Gianni Isotope]

On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 6:41:54 AM UTC-6, Paul Remde wrote:
> That will work. However, I think you will find that the iPad is very difficult to read in sunlight in a glider. It will automatically dim down the screen to keep the unit from overheating. It may also shut-down if it gets too hot - especially when connected to external power.

> If those issues happen, I highly recommend a Naviter Oudie N. If you want a larger screen, then the TRIPLTEK 8 Pro is a great option.
> https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-oudie-n
> https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/tripltek-8-pro

Thank you Paul. Is there something about the design of the TRIPLTEK unit that makes it able to tolerate higher temperature conditions than an iPad or other Android tablets?

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

Good question. The TRIPLTEK was designed for use in sunlight. It was designed for commercial drone pilots to use with their done controllers. It is much brighter and in a very rugged housing. It doesn't have a built-in fan, but somehow it doesn't overheat or need to dim-down. The very large built-in battery avoids the need for external power. External power for battery charging is one of the reasons iPhones overheat. Sometimes it's worth the extra cost to use the tool that was designed for the job. I think the TRIPLTEK and Oudie N are the best tools for soaring flight software in sailplane cockpits.
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/tripltek-8-pro
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-oudie-n

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

[Muttley]

On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 1:09:39 PM UTC, Paul Remde wrote:
> Hi,
>

> Good question. The TRIPLTEK was designed for use in sunlight etc..

Paul does the Tripltek run Skysight with downloaded data ie Convergence etc
>

[Charles Gillespie]

Another disadvantage of using the iPad mini is that the Navigator screen is cropped about 1-inch per side (7" diagonal; 6"h x 3.5"w), negating some of the benefit of using such a large device.

[BG]

Is there any way to get info from a SN10 into Tripltek running Seeyou. Correct winds comes to mind that are derived from GPS vs. actual from the pitot.

Another question has anyone mounted the TRPLTEK in a DG 800?

All and all the TRIPLTEK seems like the right choice for me if it can fit? If you have a subscription to Skysight do you another one to run on the Tripltek

Buzz Graves

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

Yes. I have a link to SkySight installed on the desktop of the TRIPLTEK and it does show the small cloud down-arrow icons on the same map types as my iPhone.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
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[Paul Remde]

Hi Buzz,

I don't think SeeYou Navigator can receive ILEC SN10 wind data information. But I do offer wiring harnesses that would allow a Naviter Bluetooth Dongle - FLARM to be connected to an SN10 wiring harness. I don't recommend it. You'd be better-off selling the SN10 and putting the money toward and LXNAV S80 or S100 (with optional HAWK winds).

I don't know if the TRIPLTEK would fit in your DG 800. I have dimensions and a printable scale "model" on my website that you can bring to your glider. It is somewhat large. If it won't fit, then the Oudie N is a great option.

Your SkySight subscription runs on any and all of your devices.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

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On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 11:06:43 AM UTC-6, BG wrote:
> On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 5:09:39 AM UTC-8, Paul Remde wrote:
> > Hi,
> >

[BG]

Thanks Paul

The advantage of having Skysight has been totally proven in flying wave off the coastal range in Ca by Ramy Yanetz this last year. On blue days it has been a gold mine to find a complicated mix of multiple waves from many ranges. As is often said, lift is where you find it, with the Skysight overlay on your moving map that is also updated with time, is amazing.

Buzz Graves

[Paul Remde]

Hi Buzz,

I agree that SkySight is extremely valuable in flight. I used SkySight XC Speed maps for a long downwind dash last year. It helped me see where the lift would be optimal. It worked well! Also, flying from Nephi a few years ago, before I had SkySight available in my LX9000, we were impressed by how well SkySight predicted a line of convergence that worked for us.

SkySight maps work well in SeeYou Navigator if you have a good internet connection in flight. In the future, SeeYou Navigator will be able to cache weather maps for use in flight (for when internet is not available in flight). The LX9000 and Oudie 2 and Oudie IGC do that now.

Being able to use the SkySight website to download forecast maps before a flight is very cool and useful too.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
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[Charles Gillespie]

I got SeeYou Navigator to run on my iPhone7, and ported GPS data from a Powerflarm Core through the Naviter BLE bluetooth dongle. I can see an NMEA data stream in Navigator, confirming that the PF data is transmitted to the iPhone. I can see OGN traffic, but no ADS-B traffic on the display. I suspect that the Navigator program does not (yet?) support this. Also, it took quite a while for the iPhone to detect the dongle initially, and I am unable to see it with any other device (iPad, Macbook, Oudie2, Windows PC).

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

SeeYou Navigator doesn't yet display FLARM or ADS-B traffic, but that is high on the priority list for coming releases.
https://naviter.com/compare-oudie-n/

The Naviter BT Dongle only works with newer "Bluetooth LE" type devices. It won't work with older devices like the Oudie 2.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

[Charles Gillespie]

That's true, thanks Paul. While Naviter doesn't expressly include the iPad in their list of proposed devices (Oudie N and Android/iOS cellphones), I was able to run Navigator on my iPad mini 4 this morning. iPad mini models 2 and newer all have Bluetooth 4.x which supports low energy. At first I couldn't detect the dongle with the mini, but you need go into the Privacy settings---> Bluetooth and switch on the Navigator before it will work.