New Video - Oudie Weather & SeeYou Maps

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

NEW VIDEO - Oudie Weather & SeeYou Maps
Details: http://cumulus-soaring.com/training.htm#Naviter

Owners of Naviter Oudies now have free access to detailed "SeeYou Maps" (high resolution terrain maps) and weather forecast maps for display on their Oudies in flight. The Naviter Updater makes it easy to load the maps into Oudie before flight. This video shows how to setup your SeeYou.Cloud account using a web browser, how to use the Naviter Updater program to transfer the maps, and how to access the maps on the Oudie.

A current SeeYou-Upgrade subscription is required to access these features. Please order yours through Cumulus Soaring, Inc. here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm#SeeYou-Upgrade

To use the weather maps a SkySight subscription is required. Please order yours using the link here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/skysight.htm

You can rent the video for $3 for one month, or buy it forever for $10, or rent the entire 90+ videos in the Soaring Product Training video series for a year for $60.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.

[Dan Daly]

I assume this is SeeYou Mobile Oudie not Oudie Lite with XC Soar?

[Paul Remde]

Hi,

Yes. The SkySight support for Oudie works only with SeeYou Mobile on an Oudie in with XCSoar. It also does not work with SeeYou Mobile on a non-Oudie product.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

[waremark]

Does use of Skysight on an Oudie use up one of the three devices my Skysight sub entities me to use it on? (I want it on phone tablet and pc.)

What happens if you try to add more devices?

[Tango Eight]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 7:24:38 AM UTC-4, waremark wrote:
> Does use of Skysight on an Oudie use up one of the three devices my Skysight sub entities me to use it on? (I want it on phone tablet and pc.)

You seem interested in this. So let me ask: what's the value here? I honestly don't understand why anyone wants hours old forecasts in the cockpit.

T8

[mat...@skysight.io]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 1:24:38 PM UTC+2, waremark wrote:
> Does use of Skysight on an Oudie use up one of the three devices my Skysight sub entities me to use it on? (I want it on phone tablet and pc.)
>
> What happens if you try to add more devices?

Short answer, yes it 'uses up' your devices.
Long answer, we're only looking for account sharing/abuse when we check the device limit. Unless we see three oudie's and two mobile phones in different locations logged into an account, there won't be a problem; and if we think there is a problem, we'll write to you.

[mat...@skysight.io]

Just to clarify - the forecast data is 'old', but it still cycles through hour-by-hour in the cockpit so you are looking at the prediction for the hour when/where you are. If you have an LX9000, you can benefit from any later updates though.

I'm biased because I wrote it, but;
For wave flying, the wave forecasts are so useful you'll wonder how you did it without it. Don't believe me - ask Dennis Tito or Morgan Sandercock, an OLC comment from on one of their 2000km flights, using SkySight in the cockpit:
“The SkySight forecast is so precise that we did not need to look at clouds to find lift. When the clouds went one way and SkySight went another way we found it was better to follow the SkySight prediction. We literally do not need to look out the window to find lift.
I have flown blue wave personally multiple times with SkySight and it really opened possibilities that were not there before. Predicting wave is quite easy because mountains don't move very fast and mid-to-upper level winds change slowly. The same applies to orographic convergences (i.e. wind splitting and joining behind an obstacle) or along the edge of plateaus/ridges. Overlay some wave flights on the forecast with the IGC Upload to see for yourself.
In highly dynamic or unstable wave conditions (fronts passing through etc) though your mileage may vary as to the placement of the wave hour by hour.

For sea breeze convergence flying, the forecasts are very good, in my experience it typically places a moving convergence line within 20 minutes of where they really are. More accurate than that is tricky to predict as the speed of a convergence line is driven by the exact strength of the thermals inland. I used the forecasts multiple times towards the end of a long flight trying to judge whether the convergence is going to be far enough inland to be useful, which is not easy to do from preflight planning when you don't know exactly where along your task you're going to be. Blue sea breeze convergences are almost impossible to catch without very good instantaneous wind instruments, and I would strongly suggest utilizing a weather map in flight to try and place yourself roughly in the right place. Where I did most of my long flights from in Australia (Gawler), we have a blue sea breeze convergence almost every day, and I would have spent a lot less time in fields from falling into the wrong side of it if I'd had a map of where it was going to be late in the day.

For thermal flying, I am only using it on competition AAT tasks with large sectors, where I can't see far enough ahead to make a decision about where to turn and some supplementary information is great when things have not gone to plan for other reasons (gates opening late, gaggle games etc). For small to medium racing tasks, if you're looking at the forecasts in flight I'd suggest you might not have done enough study on the website before taking off.

Incidentally we have a big model upgrade (resolution and physics) coming for all our US regions in the next 20-40 days which we expect will take the accuracy of particularly the wave and convergence forecasts even further.

[Ramy]

Mathew I just started using skysight with LXNAV connect recently and so far find it helpful. They are few issues though, some of them I suspect or on the LXNAV side (the convergence data and the satellite data don’t seem to remain cached through the flight unless I reconnect with a cel signal mid flight, I suspect this is an LXNAV issue) but one thing I noticed in my last flight is a discrepancy between the parameter I choose to what was displayed. I choose the cloud base parameter which suppose to show where the clouds are predicted, but what I was seeing during the flight was either top of thermals or cloud base regardless of cu potential, in other words there was color everywhere vs what the web browser was showing.

Ramy

[mat...@skysight.io]

Yeah you'll need to contact LXNAV for device issues - I only have visibility up until the forecast data leaves our servers. They have been updating it with new functionality and fixes quite rapidly.

[Mike N.]

Will the Skysight map integration be available on LK8000 ?

Thanks

[mat...@skysight.io]

On Thursday, 20 June 2019 22:09:16 UTC+2, Mike N. wrote:
> Will the Skysight map integration be available on LK8000 ?
>
> Thanks

We are happy to work with anyone that wants to integrate SkySight. Please lobby the developers of the devices/software you'd like it integrated with to get in touch.

[MNLou]

The video is great!

Just a couple of cautions - If you are using the Oudie Updater, you will need to uninstall that and download the Naviter Updater. It's easy. The older Oudie Updater doesn't have the capabilities you want.

You need to go to SeeYou.Cloud. I went to an older version of Cloud.SoaringSpot and got confused until Paul told me to go to the different website.

Both are clearly stated in the video, I just used what I've used in the past.

I can't wait to try these new capabilities in Utah.

Lou

[Tango Eight]

On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 9:14:04 AM UTC-4, mat...@skysight.io wrote:
> On Monday, 17 June 2019 13:51:31 UTC+2, Tango Eight wrote:
> > On Monday, June 17, 2019 at 7:24:38 AM UTC-4, waremark wrote:
> > > Does use of Skysight on an Oudie use up one of the three devices my Skysight sub entities me to use it on? (I want it on phone tablet and pc.)
> >
> > You seem interested in this. So let me ask: what's the value here? I honestly don't understand why anyone wants hours old forecasts in the cockpit.
> >
> > T8
>
> Just to clarify - the forecast data is 'old', but it still cycles through hour-by-hour in the cockpit so you are looking at the prediction for the hour when/where you are. If you have an LX9000, you can benefit from any later updates though.
>
> I'm biased because I wrote it, but;
> For wave flying, the wave forecasts are so useful you'll wonder how you did it without it. Don't believe me - ask Dennis Tito or Morgan Sandercock, an OLC comment from on one of their 2000km flights, using SkySight in the cockpit:
> “The SkySight forecast is so precise that we did not need to look at clouds to find lift. When the clouds went one way and SkySight went another way we found it was better to follow the SkySight prediction. We literally do not need to look out the window to find lift.
> I have flown blue wave personally multiple times with SkySight and it really opened possibilities that were not there before. Predicting wave is quite easy because mountains don't move very fast and mid-to-upper level winds change slowly. The same applies to orographic convergences (i.e. wind splitting and joining behind an obstacle) or along the edge of plateaus/ridges. Overlay some wave flights on the forecast with the IGC Upload to see for yourself.
> In highly dynamic or unstable wave conditions (fronts passing through etc) though your mileage may vary as to the placement of the wave hour by hour.

Our experience (VT, NH, ME in USA) with smaller scale terrain is that all of the forecast models do roughly as well as an experienced human looking at a single forecast SkewT as far as predicting the likelihood of useful wave (it's not hard).

All of the map based tools seem to be equally bad at forecasting the location (aside from the really obvious, known reliable places, e.g. Mt Washington), strength and vertical extent of wave.

One of my club mates has made something of a hobby of comparing SkySight wave forecasts to his experience of the day, and it's a very different experience than you relate above. His observation is the same as mine: in flight we have to look out the window, we have to go with our experience, we have to go with our knowledge of terrain. All of our forecasting tools taken together are reliable only for forecasting likelihood of wave, clouds, winds aloft. I don't recall we've ever had a day where one could follow forecast wave lift contours on a map and get a positive result.

We speculate that the current state of the art is predictive for the largest terrain (e.g. NZ, Sierras), but is not adequate for the smaller scale stuff we have.

Perhaps you'd like to plan an extended vacation & study trip in New England? We're all in for better in region forecasting :-).

best regards,
Evan Ludeman

[mat...@skysight.io]

The bigger the influence of terrain the easier it is to model.

Undoubtedly an competent user reading a SkewT can predict wave for a given location, but the maps allow you to do this over a large area, quickly and if in cockpit, hands free.

You are welcome to send feedback via the usual means, especially with traces, we may not always have time for a thorough investigation but we always read and note them.

After we upgrade the Western US model next week, the other US models will follow shortly after.

[Giaco]

I'll tag on T8's invite... MT. Washtington wave camp is 2nd week in October.. come compare the models real-time!
G7