SUA airspace format
Martin Gregorie
please?
LK8000 uses it, but so far I haven't been able to find the UK airspace in
SUA format, so its looking more and more as if I'll have to convert a TNP
or OpenAir file to SUA.
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martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |
Paul Remde
TNP (Tim Newport-Peace) format airspace files are normally saved with the
".sua" file extension. They are sometimes saved with the ".txt" file
extension.
There is no such thing as an "SUA" airspace file format.
OpenAir airspace files are usually saved with the ".txt" file extension.
Both OpenAir and TNP airspace files should included information on the file
type in the file header.
The TNP airspace format seems to be less popular around the world than the
OpenAir format. The OpenAir format is supplied by more contest organizers
than the TNP files. That is a shame since it is easy to convert from
OpenAir to TNP using StrePla.
The Naviter (SeeYou) ".cub" airspace format is also supplied by many contest
organizers.
I would be very surprised if the LK8000 software does not support the
OpenAir format, but I don't know much about that software.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
"Martin Gregorie" <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote in message
news:htga4i$ham$2...@localhost.localdomain...
Andy
wrote:
> Can anybody point me at a definition of the SUA airspace file format,
> please?
> LK8000 uses it,
I think you'll find that LK8000 requires Open Air format and will not
accept TNP. The Config menu, Site 1, will only display SUA files with
a TXT extension. So the requirement is OpenAir format with TXT
extension.
The documentation is somewhat misleading.
Andy (GY)
Tuno
Smart soaring software should be able to handle either format without
complaint; it doesn't take much additional code.
Both formats have their drawbacks. I like the TNP format best but it
is specific to the European airspace standard.
The OpenAir format is more like a graphics drawing script, with codes
for colors and line widths and pens and brushes etc, which should be
described separately from the airspace itself. But that's another
thread.
tuno
Martin Gregorie
> X-no-archive: yes
> In article <htga4i$ham$2...@localhost.localdomain>, Martin Gregorie
> <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid> writes
>>Can anybody point me at a definition of the SUA airspace file format,
>>please?
>>
>>LK8000 uses it, but so far I haven't been able to find the UK airspace
>>in SUA format, so its looking more and more as if I'll have to convert a
>>TNP or OpenAir file to SUA.
>>
>>
> Martin, Just change the filename.
>
Yes, indeed. I found that out this afternoon as part of an ongoing
dialogue with Paolo. Its mainly a documentation issue and the manual will
be updated to reflect reality, which is that LK8000 uses OpenAir format
for the airspace file.
Many thanks to all who responded to my question.
> Tim Newport-Peace t...@spsys.demon.co.uk
>
> "Indecision is the Key to Flexibility."
Mottley
wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:02:40 +0100, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
> > X-no-archive: yes
> > <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid> writes
> >>Can anybody point me at a definition of the SUA airspace file format,
> >>please?
>
> >>LK8000 uses it, but so far I haven't been able to find the UK airspace
> >>in SUA format, so its looking more and more as if I'll have to convert a
> >>TNP or OpenAir file to SUA.
>
> > Martin, Just change the filename.
>
> Yes, indeed. I found that out this afternoon as part of an ongoing
> dialogue with Paolo. Its mainly a documentation issue and the manual will
> be updated to reflect reality, which is that LK8000 uses OpenAir format
> for the airspace file.
>
> Many thanks to all who responded to my question.
>
> > Tim Newport-Peace t...@spsys.demon.co.uk
>
> > "Indecision is the Key to Flexibility."
>
> --
> martin@ | Martin Gregorie
> gregorie. | Essex, UK
> org |
New Open Air Format File for UK Air Space as per gliderpilot.net is
here
http://www.robinsonselectric.co.uk/winpilot_airspace_file_2010.htm
Bruno
Martin Gregorie
> On May 27, 2:19 am, Martin Gregorie <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:02:40 +0100, Tim Newport-Peace wrote:
>> > X-no-archive: yes
>> > In article <htga4i$ha...@localhost.localdomain>, Martin Gregorie
>> > <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid> writes
>> >>Can anybody point me at a definition of the SUA airspace file format,
>> >>please?
>>
>> >>LK8000 uses it, but so far I haven't been able to find the UK
>> >>airspace in SUA format, so its looking more and more as if I'll have
>> >>to convert a TNP or OpenAir file to SUA.
>>
>> > Martin, Just change the filename.
>>
>> Yes, indeed. I found that out this afternoon as part of an ongoing
>> dialogue with Paolo. Its mainly a documentation issue and the manual
>> will be updated to reflect reality, which is that LK8000 uses OpenAir
>> format for the airspace file.
>>
>> Many thanks to all who responded to my question.
>>
>> > Tim Newport-Peace t...@spsys.demon.co.uk
>>
>> > "Indecision is the Key to Flexibility."
>>
>
> New Open Air Format File for UK Air Space as per gliderpilot.net is here
>
> http://www.robinsonselectric.co.uk/winpilot_airspace_file_2010.htm
>
Thanks. I've added a link to my UK Data page.
Martin Gregorie
> X-no-archive: yes
> In article <htlv07$9fq$1...@localhost.localdomain>, Martin Gregorie
> <mar...@address-in-sig.invalid> writes
>>On Thu, 27 May 2010 03:46:38 -0700, Mottley wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.robinsonselectric.co.uk/winpilot_airspace_file_2010.htm
>>>
>>Thanks. I've added a link to my UK Data page.
>>
>>
> Martin, be warned.
>
> Errors have been reported in that file.
>
> Follow the discussion on Gliderpilot.Net at:
>
> http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=29617&vt=1
> http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=29624&vt=1
>
Thanks for the heads-up, Tim, though I'm not recommending airspace files
or providing copies myself - just saying where they can be found. I've
added a warning to the effect that the files have known deficiencies and
should be checked against maps of the task area before they are used.
I missed that discussion about problems with the latest file because I
don't read the Gliderpilot.net forums. This is largely because I think
web forums are a slow and user-unfriendly poor relation to USENET.
I did glance through the 10b file and noticed that several of the date-
stamps were fairly old, but still, top marks to Croft Brown for date-
stamping items. Its a pity more don't do that.
Has anybody sounded out AIS about issuing a master airspace file? It
should be simple enough to do if they maintain a database of airspace
restrictions. I can't think of anybody else with the ability to issue an
authoritative version to go with the the paper maps.