Oudie wiring to SN10
Tuno
to on this, but until then if anyone has a link to help with, I'll
check here first.
Advance thanks
ted/2N7O
Paul Remde
The Oudie's power/data cable is supplied with an RJ45 to DB-9m adapter which
can be configured for connection to our standard Goddard SN10/PDA wiring
harnesses. I would setup the adapter exactly the same as if it was being
connected to a Cambridge 302 or Goddard PS-5a power converter. You can see
the connections for that here:
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm#Oudie-Cable-Kit
I sell standard wiring harnesses for the SN10 for several GPS types - with
PDA connections.
http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/goddard.htm
If you want to modify your existing wiring harness, you'll need the SN10
manual - which is available here:
http://www.ilec-gmbh.com/manuals.htm
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
"Tuno" <tedcw...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Tuno
I need; I just can't find any instructions that are specific to the
SN10.
(The Oudie manual makes no mention of the SN10.)
I can resort to lining up the Oudie pin-out description with the
corresponding section of the SN10 manual, but I was hoping for a more
explicit how-to.
tuN7o
Tuno
Oudie RJ45 6 (Black) to DB9 3
Oudie RJ45 7 (Orange) to DB9 5
Works like a champ, once I figgered out how to tell the SN10 that
there's a PDA connected.
It was slightly ambiguous in the Oudie manual but the 20 cm extension
cable is optional. (The "it must be used" did throw me off shortly.)
Next challenge: how to put an LS-8 canopy back on without buying a new
one ...
tuN7o
Paul Remde
The advantage to connecting the Oudie to the SN10 is that the SN10 (assuming
it has somewhat current software) can send vario and wind data to the Oudie.
The Oudie's "Thermal Assistant" really only works well with real-time vario
data. And since the SN10 has airspeed sensors and GPS data, it can
calculate accurate wind speed and direction when cruising - not just when
circling as the Oudie can do with GPS data alone. Being able to calculate
the wind while cruising is very important when ridge or wave flying.
If you also connect the Oudie to the VL, then you can have the Oudie send
official task declarations to the VL and you can download secure flight logs
from the VL.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
"Dan" <dan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 1, 11:31 am, "Paul Remde" <p...@remde.us> wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
> The Oudie's power/data cable is supplied with an RJ45 to DB-9m adapter
> which
> can be configured for connection to our standard Goddard SN10/PDA wiring
> harnesses. I would setup the adapter exactly the same as if it was being
> connected to a Cambridge 302 or Goddard PS-5a power converter. You can see
> the connections for that
> here:http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/seeyou.htm#Oudie-Cable-Kit
>
> I sell standard wiring harnesses for the SN10 for several GPS types - with
> PDA connections.http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/goddard.htm
>
> If you want to modify your existing wiring harness, you'll need the SN10
> manual - which is available here:http://www.ilec-gmbh.com/manuals.htm
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>
> "Tuno" <tedcwag...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:11440e1d-78c2-44f8...@i4g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Later today or tomorrow I'm going to be searching the 'Net for a how-
> > to on this, but until then if anyone has a link to help with, I'll
> > check here first.
>
> > Advance thanks
>
> > ted/2N7O- Hide quoted text -
>
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what are the advantages to conneting an SN-10b to an Oudie?
I have both but kept my Volkslogger connected to the SN-10b and run
the Oudie by itself, just replaced the iPAQ.
It was very easy to pick up the power for the Oudie from the VL power
source.
Can't wait to use the Oudie in my glider, it works great in my
powerplane.
Dan
WO
Naviter Info
Andrej Kolar
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glider pilots use
http://www.Naviter.com
Dave Nadler
> Added "SN10" to the Oudie manual. Thanks!
>
> Andrej Kolar
Thanks Andrej !
See ya, Dave "YO electric"
William Elliott
> Hi Dan,
>
> The advantage to connecting the Oudie to the SN10 is that the SN10 (assuming
> it has somewhat current software) can send vario and wind data to the Oudie.
> The Oudie's "Thermal Assistant" really only works well with real-time vario
> data. And since the SN10 has airspeed sensors and GPS data, it can
> calculate accurate wind speed and direction when cruising - not just when
> circling as the Oudie can do with GPS data alone. Being able to calculate
> the wind while cruising is very important when ridge or wave flying.
>
> If you also connect the Oudie to the VL, then you can have the Oudie send
> official task declarations to the VL and you can download secure flight logs
> from the VL.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>
I have not had good luck getting the SN-10 data working in the Oudie.
I get the GPS data from the SN-10 just fine. Has anyone else had
success getting the wind and vario data working properly in the Oudie
with SYM?
WE
Paul Remde
Be sure your SN10 has the latest software. Also, in SeeYou Mobile, go to
the Hardware screen and select SN10 as the hardware type.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
"William Elliott" <bi...@welliott.net> wrote in message
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Tuno
AST!!!)
SeeYou Mobile is *much* happier with the air data from the SN10. The
combination worked great. I would go so far as to say that SYM's
thermal assistant is next to useless without the air data (which I
would expect), while very effective with.
tuN7o
Andy
But is it the airdata that made it better or the external GPS position
source?
The HP310 internal GPS makes the LK8000 thermal assistant useless but
it may well work better with an external GPS. It seems to work quite
quite well in replay mode using 2 second flight logs from the 302.
Also with internal GPS the 310/LK8000 circling wind estimates are
sometimes hazardously misleading.
I don't know anything about the charactersitics of the Oudie internal
GPS but I doubt it was optimized for aviation. Was it?
Andy
Tuno
aviation?
But I do think the air data makes a huge difference in wind and glide
calculations. Without it, SYM and the SN10 provided varying answers on
the steering to target; with the airdata, they always matched.
Andy
I'd be convinced if you disabled the SN10 GPS feed and saw the same
results. Or are you saying the SN-10 is feeding only airdata to the
Oudie and not GPS position data.
PNA GPS receivers are typically optimized for car navigation. One
result is that they like to say they are going straight even if the
host vehicle is turning. Ok it's not the GPS receiver itself but the
associated data processing and in some devices, such as the HP310, no
one has yet found a way to hack it so it works properly.
Andy
brianDG303
Andy,
do I read you correctly that you are assuming that the Oudie suffers
from the same issue as the HP310? It seem possible that the Oudie was
hacked in such a way as to prevent that, or didn't have the problem in
the first place. It would be interesting to know about that.
I've got two flights on a MiniMap and the wind information is a lot
more believable that what the HP310 was giving me.
Brian
Greg Arnold
>
> I've got two flights on a MiniMap and the wind information is a lot
> more believable that what the HP310 was giving me.
>
> Brian
How do you like the MiniMap?
brianDG303
I like it. By itself it's brighter, the wind information is accurate
(I think). The real benefit is adding the Vario and Stick controller
so that the information you want is usually displayed on the Vario and
both that display and the computer display and choices are controlled
from the stick buttons. I almost never take my hand off the stick.
Brad
Andy,
I've been told, and I hope it's correct, that sending a GPS signal to
the 310 will give better results. I will be using a Powerflarm to send
the 310 data and by-pass the internal GPS. It is a simple setting in
the LK8000 software for a com port and baud rate setting.
Brad
Andy
> do I read you correctly that you are assuming that the Oudie suffers
> from the same issue as the HP310? It seem possible that the Oudie was hacked in such a way as to prevent that, or didn't have the problem >in the first place. It would be interesting to know about that.
I wrote "I don't know anything about the charactersitics of the Oudie
internal GPS but I doubt it was optimized for aviation. Was it?"
If I was thinking of buying an Oudie I'd want to know the answer.
Since I'm not, my only interest is in understanding what caused the
performance improvement reported by Ted.
I'm planniing to interface my HP310 to PowerFLARM. That should give
me much improved circling wind data. The cost of multiplexing in my
302 airdata is probably not worthwhile if the 310 is not my primary
glide computer.
Andy
Andy
>
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You may also need to do a level shift. That can be done with a simple
resistive divider.
Andy
Tuno
that's good enough for me.
One of the things I checked after connecting the SN10 was the data
stream using SYM's terminal feature. Observed all the normal NMEA
sentences plus the SN10's $PILC sentences.
Andres will have to answer to whether/how the Oudie's GPS is optimized
for aviation, it's immaterial at this point.
Bill Elliott
> Hi Bill,
>
> Be sure your SN10 has the latest software. Also, in SeeYou Mobile, go to
> the Hardware screen and select SN10 as the hardware type.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paul Remde
> Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
>
I do have the latest software and I have selected SN-10 as the
hardware type. When I do this, the flight statistics page showing the
last four climbs is never correct. It doesn't matter how I have this
hardware setting. When I switch back to receiving a direct feed from
the Colibri (or the Flarm I was using last summer), the flight
statistics page is better but still not correct.
I am not convinced that the SN-10 and SYM are sending/receiving what
they expect. Have spoken to both Nadler and Andrej about this but
neither seem to understand there is a problem.
The reason I am asking RAS folks is to find out if I am the only one
having a problem or if other are too.
WE
Tuno
On your SYM, when you use the terminal feature while connected to the
SN10, do you see $PILC sentences? Definitely check for that first.
tuN7o
David Salmon
>On Apr 4, 10:37=A0am, Andy wrote:
>> On Apr 4, 10:21=A0am, Tuno wrote:
>>
>> > Good question wrt the GPS quality. How is a receiver optimized for
>> > aviation?
>>
>> > But I do think the air data makes a huge difference in wind and
glide
>> > calculations. Without it, SYM and the SN10 provided varying answers
on
>> > the steering to target; with the airdata, they always matched.
>>
>> I'd be convinced if you disabled the SN10 GPS feed and saw the same
>> results. Or are you saying the SN-10 is feeding only airdata to the
>> Oudie and not GPS position data.
>>
>> result is that they like to say they are going straight even if the
the
>> associated data processing and in some devices, such as the HP310, no
>> one has yet found a way to hack it so it works properly.
>>
>> Andy
>
>Andy,
>
>I've been told, and I hope it's correct, that sending a GPS signal to
>the 310 will give better results. I will be using a Powerflarm to send
>the 310 data and by-pass the internal GPS. It is a simple setting in
>the LK8000 software for a com port and baud rate setting.
>
>Brad
>
There is quite a lot about the iPAQ 31* series problem on the LK8000
forum. The internal gps is almost useless for gliding. I use a Holux bt
gps with mine as Device A, and if it ever loses that, it never has, it
will default to Device B, the internal.
Been trying for some time to connect the SN10B to the iPAQ 314, as soon as
one problem is solved, another raises it's head, but I think I know what
to do now thanks to Dave N and Paul R.
Dave