Sailplane Wax?
Mark Zivley
Wx Block?
Cul...@aol.com
Pledge , spray can by Johnson & Johnson. Works well, easy, real wax.
Dancing on clouds,
Keep it Up!
Jim Culp USA
Chris
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John Morgan
Chris <ru...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Pledge ?
Isn't that crammed full of Silicon, wonderful stuff on gliders (not), if
you have to touch up the paint, or repair the F.R.P. I wonder what a "D"
box repair on a wing looks like blowing off at a 100 Kts
For ingredients on "Pledge" see the URL below
http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~jsmith/MSDS/PLEDGE.htm
Do you know if Protect-All contains silicone? Couldn't find it at the above
url. Hope it doesn't. Protect-All is a similar product to the MLM Dri-Wash,
but at about 1/5th the cost. It's sold at Wal-Mart and Camping World etc.
thanks,
bumper
John Giddy
5/287 Barkers Rd. http://www.gfa.org.au/vic/mgc/
Kew, Vic. 3101
Australia
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Tim and Camille McNamara
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Douglas Bell
for applying to a buffer wheel, or in softened form, usually in cans. The
soft stuff is available in auto stores. Just make sure it's pure Carnuba
wax with no additives. I would also recommend staying awau from silicons
also. If yiu ever go to apply out gap seal tape, turbulotor tape, etc, it's
far easier to get the surface properly cleaned if it hasn't had silicone
compounds applied. In some cases, having these kinds of tapes come off, or
worse - loose, can have a significant negative effects on aircraft
controlability.
There's not much I find in the auto stores, other than tow vehicle and
trailer parts/accessories that is useful for soaring.
Doug
Marc Ramsey
silicone, easy to apply, available in just about any US auto store...
Marc
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Anyone tried Leg or Bikini Wax? Worth a try. Pariffin.
No, not on yours or hers, on the glider.
Seriously, now.
In 1988, W. Dirks told me his favorite was Johnson & Johnson Lemon Pledge.
Yep, the DG guy. That's what I use. Spray on, wipe off. I keep mine
waxed with it. Easy. Never knew the significance of Lemon Pledge instead
of other Pledge. Now I do, thanks.
Dancing on clouds,
Keep it up!
Jim Culp USA
John Galloway
I have used Crystal Glo for several years. It is made in Toronto. It is wax, teflon, and silicone free and claims UV filtering equivalent to a SPF of 30. It is definitely the easiest polish to apply I have ever used - which is a bonus.
I can't find a website for the manufacturer but lots of suppliers come up on searches.
I have been considering trying Wx Block because it looks to be the ideal product - are there any problems with it?
John
At 13:00 24 February 2001, Mark Zivley wrote:
>What brands/types of wax are people using on their sailplane OTHER than
>Wx Block?
>
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serious yellowing. This product is not designed of outdoor service and UV
exposure. It is NOT recommended for use on gel coat by any of the gel coat
manufacturers, in spite of the alleged reference to a sailplane manufacturer.
Bob
Tim and Camille McNamara
easy to apply. The bugs are very easy to wipe off after a long flight even
if you wait until the next day. Hope this helps, Tim
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Larry Goddard
unknown number of bugs?
:-)
Larry
John Cochrane wrote:
> I've been using "Star Brite Marine Polish with Teflon" recommended by
> a refinishing pro. No silicone, bugs wipe off nicely.
>
> John Cochrane
Tim and Camille McNamara
amount of bugs you got and hopefully that will correspond to the future
accumulation. I think though that JJ is working on a simplified approach
based on volume/wetted surface area (or some such nonsense!). :-)
(for those who do not know me this was written strictly tongue in
cheek--I've thoroughly enjoyed the discussion on mccready brought about by
Mr Sinclair)
Regards Tim ASW24
"Larry Goddard" <la...@siriusimages.com> wrote in message
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Mark Zivley
I've used WxBlock, but have found that the brownish color of one of the two parts can put a bit of a brownish tint in the gel coat. It's not a lot of color, but the finish on my sailplane's fuselage is new (wings were re-done a few years
back) and would like maintain as much white as possible. Has anyone else noticed this?
The WxBlock does seem to do a good job of protecting the wings and lots of people are using it. The only other downside is the fact that it is two parts so that doubles the application time.
Mark
Marc Ramsey
> I've used WxBlock, but have found that the brownish color of one of the two parts
> can put a bit of a brownish tint in the gel coat. It's not a lot of color, but the finish
> on my sailplane's fuselage is new (wings were re-done a few years back) and
> would like maintain as much white as possible. Has anyone else noticed this?
Yes, but only when I've tried to apply/buff the first part by hand. Using a good quality
buffer/polisher makes for a much better (and whiter) result.
> The WxBlock does seem to do a good job of protecting the wings and lots of people
> are using it. The only other downside is the fact that it is two parts so that doubles
> the application time.
The second part can be done quickly and easily by hand. In the end, I don't think it
takes much longer than a conventional wax alone, and the result is equivalent to
using a polishing compound followed by wax. The one downside, that I've seen, of
using WxBlock, is that it needs to be reapplied more frequently (at least the second
part) than a paste or liquid carnuba wax.
Mark Zivley
Marc Ramsey
> Hmmm. I've used an electric orbital buffer for removing both steps once it was applied by hand.
Nope, you want a 7" variable speed polisher, like Milwaukee or Makita makes...
Chris Rowland
in the UK?
Chris Rowland.
Tim Mara
though we do often ship this to the UK and all other parts of the
world.......
As yet, now with several hundred users, we have had nothing but praise for
this product.....
It really is terrific wax and polish and is one of the few to offer and
significant UV Protection.
tim
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"Chris Rowland" <chr...@sapiens.nildram.co.uk> wrote in message
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AFerrero
for glider too (absolute silicon free wax)
Go at:
http://www.3m.com/US/auto_marine_aero/marine/prod.jhtml;$pageID$-mwm-bw-uppw
I used it on my glider and it's really good
3M products are available all over the world
Ciao
Andrea
Steve Pawling
Consumer Resource Center regarding Pledge and received the following reply:
"All of our PLEDGE products contain silicone as an ingredient. The only
furniture care product that we manufacture that does not is JUBILEE Liquid
Kitchen Wax. This product is a creamy, white wax, it is solvent based and
contains petroleum naphtha.
This product as well as PLEDGE is meant to be used on interior surfaces.
JUBILEE products are available only through our mail order department. I
have sent a copy of our catalog to the address you provided or you can call
800-848-2588 Monday through Friday, from
8:00 AM - 6:00 PM CST."
Sometimes it seems difficult to determine whether a product has silicone or not
but shouldn't a product's MSDS show silicone as an ingredient or not?
All the best,
Steve
In article <20010226092414...@ng-fz1.aol.com>,
blac...@aol.comxspam says...
JNBearden
apparently get hard in the cold, and since the pilot's head doesn't rest firmly
against the headrest to keep the foam warm, that would seem to be a bad choice.
But the usual closed-cell polyurethane and other similar foams compress, then
rebound under sudden load. The concern is proper protection in a flat-impact
crash.
Thoughts?
Chip Bearden
ASW-24 "JB"
Al
Al
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David Brunner
How aout Anne Nicole Smith?
> used egg cartons '-)
>
Dave...
Al
Al
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Stefan
>
> How aout Anne Nicole Smith?
Naw, peripheral vision too restricted.
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Al
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David Brunner
Dave
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EColeson
writes:
>David Brunner wrote:
>>
>> How aout Anne Nicole Smith?
>
>Naw, peripheral vision too restricted.
Not to mention kinda pricey ("It's very expensive being me." Ha!)
Cheers,
E.
Eric Greenwell
jnbe...@aol.com says...
I can't answer directly, but can relate the headrest in my ASH 26 E is
of carbon/glass construction, quite wide (essentially covers the
opening in the baggage compartment behind the pilot's head), and was
covered with not-very-thick sheepskin. I removed the covering because
it was in the way of my hat when I tipped my head back to look up.
Since the headrest itself is a little springy, maybe something energy
absorbing would be a good idea. I guess that 12-25 mm of stiff foam
like bicycle helmets use would be best; second choice would be the
"Temperfoam" type of thing. Since the headrest padding doesn't need to
conform for comfort (at I don't actually rest my head against it), it
doesn't provide any extra value over the stiff foam.
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Al
Al
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John Morgan
> Since the headrest itself is a little springy, maybe something energy
> absorbing would be a good idea. I guess that 12-25 mm of stiff foam
> like bicycle helmets use would be best; second choice would be the
> "Temperfoam" type of thing. Since the headrest padding doesn't need to
> conform for comfort (at I don't actually rest my head against it), it
> doesn't provide any extra value over the stiff foam.
>
> Eric Greenwell
> Richland, WA (USA)
Like Eric, I think either expanded Styrofoam, as used in helmets, or
Temperfoam (Confor, T-Foam etc) would well. The primary advantage of these
foams is in their ability to absorb energy without "rebounding" and
imparting energy back into the body being decellerated.
Temperfoam is actually very good at this, though is a *lot* more expensive
than Styrofoam. A 1/2" thick piece of extra firm (green) T-foam can be
placed on concrete, then hit with your fist . . . with only minor damage to
the concrete.
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Larry Goddard
about... but just how "safe" do you need headrest in a sailplane to be! Just
how often do you think someone is going to get rear-ended in a sailplane!!!!!
Just put something in there that is comfortable for you.
Larry
"01" USA
Al
If your gonna go that way even Anna Nichol Smith is not going to offer
enough protection.
I suggest you concentrate more on worrying about loose stuff behind you or
if the O2 bottle is going to come forward and push your head into the panel
you know stuff like that.
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JNBearden
>like some padding is going to save your butt if you tent peg the thing in!!
>
>If your gonna go that way even Anna Nichol Smith is not going to offer
>enough protection.
>I suggest you concentrate more on worrying about loose stuff behind you or
>if the O2 bottle is going to come forward and push your head into the panel
>you know stuff like that.
That's very helpful, Al; I never thought of that. It's comforting to know that
you're watching out for us as we muddle aimlessly through life distracted by
one peripheral issue after another.
On the other hand, for those of us who--unlike Al--aren't perfect or can't
read, the issue I specifically raised in my original posting is a flat-impact
crash, not "tent pegging the thing in."
1. Someone I knew very well died in a flat-impact crash. The primary cause of
death was a blow to the back of the head from a poorly restrained battery pack.
Though more flat than nose down, the crash involved considerable forward
deceleration. But a secondary source of injury was the head snapping back and
down due to the absence of a headrest in this early model ASW-20. I can't
recall the exact terminology, but a doctor explained it to me in terms of the
top of the spinal column doing damage to the skull. Most of us have headrests
now, but it's the force with which one's head could strike the headrest that
concerns me.
2. My ASW-24 handbook specifically warns against flying without a headrest, I
presume at least in part because of this type of danger.
3. I'm appending below (with the author's permission) excerpts from a response
I received privately:
>My flat impact crash resulted in a severe blow to the
>back of the head according to the docs. There was no trauma to the back of
>my head but the severe blow was deduced from the effects in my head:
>partial breakage of two cranial nerves. (4th and 9th) During the forward
>acceleration of my head, the brain tried to stay where it was. (A body in the
>sack tends to stay in the sack.)
>
>So, IMHO, the rebound effect is quite real. It's known
>to be bad for the spine when the seat cushion is springy and headrests should
>be redesigned for the same reason.
>
>Rather than Temperfoam, I think a crushable foam would be
>better. The Temperfoam would feel like concrete if one's head hit it
>at high velocity. Whereas, a crushable foam would cushion the blow but not
>cause a rebound of the head.
>
>This was said to be quite common in these cases and the
>effect (double vision) would go away in a few weeks. In fact, it has
>mercifully reduced considerably but not disappeared entirely.
>
>Keep thinking about crash-worthiness. You guys have good
>brains. Try to figure out how to save them from being rattled. :-)
I won't quarrel with this gentleman's comment about soaring pilots having good
brains. I'm sure it applies generally if not in every case. :)
So, does anyone know what type of crushable foam material might do? Eric
Greenwell's suggestion for using stiff foam from bicycle helmets is
interesting. I know of at least one pilot who took an auto racing crash helmet
apart and glued the foam to various areas in the cockpit around his head.
Anyone know where to buy that in flat sheets or blocks?
Chip Bearden
ASW-24 "JB"
John Morgan
Todd Pattist <pat...@DONTSPAMME.snet.net> wrote in message
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> jnbe...@aol.com (JNBearden) wrote:
>
> >>Rather than Temperfoam, I think a crushable foam would be
> >>better. The Temperfoam would feel like concrete if one's head hit it
> >>at high velocity. Whereas, a crushable foam would cushion the blow but
not
> >>cause a rebound of the head.
>
> was to absorb the energy of the impact without rebound. I
> know Temperfoam will conform to shape when heated and sat
> upon, but I'm not aware that its energy absorption
> properties are significantly reduced just because your body
> isn't in continuous contact. Does anyone know?
> Todd Pattist - "WH" Ventus C
Only what I've read and my limited (no crashes) experience using Confor.
Temperfoam (Confor, T-foam) should work well for this. Even when cold and
"hard", green (extra firm) Confor absorbs impact without rebound. As I
mentioned in an earlier post, you can put a 1/2" piece of this stuff on
concrete and hit it *hard* with your fist - - with no resulting pain or trip
to the hospital. Note that if the foam is cold enough (as in just removed
from freezer) when you hit it, the foam may break down or split under the
impact, though it will still provide protection. Disclaimer: If you do this
"test", don't start out hitting the darn thing as hard as you can . . . you
might be stronger than me (I'm slow and weak).
From my experience, the harder the impact, the more resistance the foam
provides. This allows even a relatively thin piece of foam to provide
substantial protection. I use a 1/4" thick piece of extra firm inside the
top of my hats to protect my bald noggin from canopy impact. The military
uses the stuff in aircraft seat cushions to protect the spine during
ejection.
Al
now muddle on......I have perfection to perfect now.
David Noyes
hit it
> > >>at high velocity. Whereas, a crushable foam would
cushion the blow but
> > >>not cause a rebound of the head.
> From my experience, the harder the impact, the more
resistance the foam
> provides.
Precisely what I said above: The "harder" or faster the
impact, the higher
the resistance to deformation.
>The military uses the stuff in aircraft seat cushions to
protect the
> spine during ejection.
For exactly the same reason. Pilot and seat are supposed to
accelarate
*with* the explosion and not be hit by it after an ordinary
foam seat cushion
compresses resulting in a higher acceleration than the spine
can withstand.
With something like Styrofoam, the harder the impact, the
greater the dent
in the foam and thus more energy absorption with no elastic
rebound.
Regards, David
dav...@infinet.com
Ruediger
on material (which type of foam) and function and a car is used nearly in
the same temperature (-30 to +50 Celsius) range. As these headrests are
proffesional made the even look nice. For my glider i got a headrest from an
old Ford and with some little changes I could fix it quit easy .
Ruediger
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>>at high velocity. Whereas, a crushable foam would cushion the blow but not
>>cause a rebound of the head.
Temper foam comes in four different densities. The less dense foam will be
soft to the touch without body temp to warm it up.
craig
Russ Read
> Pledge ?
> Isn't that crammed full of Silicon, wonderful stuff on gliders (not), if you have to touch up the paint, or repair the F.R.P. I wonder what a "D" box repair on a wing looks like blowing off at a 100 Kts
>
>
> For ingredients on "Pledge" see the URL below
> http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~jsmith/MSDS/PLEDGE.htm
>
> Please people, do not use silicon polishes and waxes, on F.R.P. sailplanes.
> Take it from one who has to repair them, it is nearly impossible to remove silicones from glass matrix as it Migrates through and contaminates the whole structure, making repairs almost impossible to guarantee bonding with the contaminated lay-ups.
>
> Chris Runeckles
> <Cul...@aol.com> wrote in message news:9e.1083806...@aol.com...
> Pledge , spray can by Johnson & Johnson. Works well, easy, real wax.
>
> Dancing on clouds,
> Keep it Up!
>
> Jim Culp USA
Does anyone know anything about a product called ‘Rejex’ for use on gliders? I have been using it for years on my power plane and it gives a great shine, is very easy to apply, and bugs and dirt come off much easier than other products. It was developed for the air force and does not contain silicone.
Clay Thomas
> What brands/types of wax are people using on their sailplane OTHER than
> Wx Block?
Shurhold polish and Shurhold wax.