ASH-30 verus ASH-25

Jonathan St. Cloud

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Dec 27, 2015, 1:42:20 PM12/27/15

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The ASH-25 was hugely successful and the new ASH-30 has not seem to caught on with the purchasing public, was just wondering?

Dan Marotta

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Dec 27, 2015, 4:02:20 PM12/27/15

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It's a terrific flying machine (I've got around 50 hours in one) but hugely expensive. Maybe it's the price...

On 12/27/2015 11:42 AM, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:

The ASH-25 was hugely successful and the new ASH-30 has not seem to caught on with the purchasing public, was just wondering?

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Dan, 5J

krasw

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Dec 28, 2015, 10:55:47 AM12/28/15

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sunnuntai 27. joulukuuta 2015 20.42.20 UTC+2 Jonathan St. Cloud kirjoitti:
> The ASH-25 was hugely successful and the new ASH-30 has not seem to caught on with the purchasing public, was just wondering?

Too low wingloading to open class, too heavy and bulky to handle compared to 20m self-launchers, price?

tpb...@gmail.com

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Dec 29, 2015, 1:03:56 AM12/29/15

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On Sunday, December 27, 2015 at 10:42:20 AM UTC-8, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
> The ASH-25 was hugely successful and the new ASH-30 has not seem to caught on with the purchasing public, was just wondering?

I love mine, but if you have to ask the price, you can't afford one. Well, maybe you can afford one, but don't tell the wife. No hurry, I understand the earliest delivery is Summer '17.

Tom
SF

Dave Nadler

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Dec 29, 2015, 1:41:39 PM12/29/15

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The ASH-30 is a magnificent glider. Compared to the ASH-25:
- you and your co-pilot will never resort to hollering
TURN BABY TURN! C'MON, YOU CAN DO IT! TURN!
It doesn't help, but it passes the time waiting for a turn...
- the -30 has much better manners and no corners.

The ASH-30 circles happily at amazingly low speeds for the wing-loading,
climbs great, easy to handle, decent roll rate, comfortable cockpit.
Absolutely delightful to fly.

However, the ASH-30 does have a couple issues:

1) The -30 is really under-powered. No problem on a long runway
at sea-level density altitude (leisurely but safe).
Bad news hot and high.

2) The -30 is really heavy. Two normal sized guys can't put in
fuel and stay under the USA contest limit (I forget the numbers).

Both fun machines though!
Hope that helps,
Best Regards, Dave

Paul T

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Dec 29, 2015, 1:45:12 PM12/29/15

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Arcus hence ASG-32
ASH30 Wrong product wrong time.

Andrzej Kobus

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Dec 29, 2015, 2:02:24 PM12/29/15

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A very insightful statement. Thank you Paul for sharing.
Seriously, the glider is probably not for you, but I bet it is a perfect glider for some other pilots.
Thank God we have different preferences.

Happy New Year!

Paul T

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Dec 29, 2015, 7:00:04 PM12/29/15

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Sales numbers will bear this out. I'll be surprised if Schleichers
break even with the ASH30. It maybe a nice glider but it is the
wrong product for the time, from a sales standpoint. There was
quite a delay getting the ASH 30 to market, then the new 20m class
was coming on stream hence the development of the ASG-32.
Overweight, underpowered and non-competitive in Open Class, I'll
take the EB28 OR 29D when I win the lottery thanks!

Dave Nadler

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Dec 30, 2015, 6:28:44 PM12/30/15

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On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:45:12 PM UTC-5, Paul T wrote:

> Arcus hence ASG-32
> ASH30 Wrong product wrong time.

The ASH-25 and -30 are different animals then Arcus/ASH-30,
for a different (and smaller) market segment.
Much higher max L/D, at the cost of max wing-loading.

Arcus and ASG-32 are also both delightful flying machines.
I chose the ArcusM ;-)

See ya, Dave

Andrzej Kobus

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Dec 30, 2015, 6:55:24 PM12/30/15

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Hopefully you will have a hangar to house the big bird and not have to assemble every time.