Aerobatics
Benjamin Geller
fly a roll with an ASK 21
and how to make a return flight with this
glider.
I am als looking for WWW adresses concerning
aerobatics with gliders.
Benjamin Geller
gel...@fbrcad1.geotec.tu-clausthal.de
David H Noyes
Benjamin Geller <gel...@fbrcad1.geotec.tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
>Who can give me some tips or trick how to fly a roll with an ASK 21
>and how to make a return flight with this glider.
Puzzled as to what ^^^^^^^^^^^ is?
It is dangerous to try to teach yourself aerobatics. I tried to teach
myself a simple loop early in my gliding period. When the glider
snap-rolled on the down side of the loop, I hadn't a clue as to why. But
it scared me enough to never try any aerobatics again without an instructor.
Modern gliders are so "slippery" that over-speeding is a constant threat
without proper technique. A member of our club fell out of a roll in an
ASW15, hit red-line speed (at least) and then hit a thermal during pull-up.
The g-meter registered 8.1 g ! The wing skins cracked but held together.
The 10 lesson course I took at Turf Soaring was well worth the price!
Peter Kupferschmied
Benjamin Geller <gel...@fbrcad1.geotec.tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
>Who can give me some tips or trick how to fly a roll with an ASK 21
It's simple: Put an aerobatics instructor in the back seat and listen
up.
>and how to make a return flight with this glider.
Puzzled as to what ^^^^^^^^^^^ is?
This is really the best and safest advice, especially in your case where
a suitable double-seater seems to be available!!!
Kevin Ferguson
>Who can give me some tips or trick how to
>fly a roll with an ASK 21
I hope that Ben is already Acro qualified. My comments are general,
and not aimed specifically at him, as he may be a very competent acro
pilot (which I do not pretend to be) for all I know.
To para-phrase Les Horvath's book:
If you try to teach yourself to roll a glider, you are VERY likely to
end up in a verticle dive, over-speed, and tear the wings off.
I hope that no one will post instructions on how to roll any glider
here. The only safe way to learn this is in a two place ship, with a
qualified hand to bail you out in time. Such instruction is widely
available. It can't be safely learned via net-surfing.
So If you know how to roll a 'K21 (not me!), please find out if Ben is
an acro pilot already, if so pass your wisdom via e-mail, not
posting, as no good can come of it.
Hate to be a nervous-nelly, but felt this needed saying.
-1U-
Judah Milgram
Peter Kupferschmied <kupfer...@iet.mavt.ethz.ch> wrote:
>In article <43ovmm$i...@ikarus.rz.tu-clausthal.de>,
>>Who can give me some tips or trick how to fly a roll with an ASK 21
>
>up.
>
>>and how to make a return flight with this glider.
> Puzzled as to what ^^^^^^^^^^^ is?
probably "Rueckenflug," inverted flight.
"Rueckflug" would have been the return flight on a RT ticket.
Of course, the two could be combined :)
- J.
Guenther Seemann
>I hope that Ben is already Acro qualified. My comments are general,
I suppose not, otherwise he wouldn't have asked. In Germany (and Ben is German
as you can see from his address) aerobatics is only allowed for pilots with
the aerobatic rating.
>available. It can't be safely learned via net-surfing.
How true!
I accomplished my aerobatic rating last week and now I know how to roll the
21. But I also know how disorientated a 1000 hours pilot can be on the first
inverted flight. So we learned to fly inverted before we were taught any
aerobatic manoeuvre.
- Guenther
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Kai Lindenberg
>fly a roll with an ASK 21
Hey Benjamin,
I think you asked that to try the sense of responsibility of the glider pilots.
Good luck, they are all reasonable.
My tip: Don't try tricks but take some aerobatic lessons. That is the only way
to learn aerobatic manoeuvres savely. I did it too.
A club member of mine finished a roll with a LS4 with a speed of 300km/h. He is
a licensed aerobatic pilot and an airline pilot.
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Ian Molesworth
>A club member of mine finished a roll with a LS4 with a speed of >300km/h. He is a licensed aerobatic pilot and an airline pilot.
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That's nice! My LS4 handbook says NOT RATED FOR AEROBATICS.
If that was a club ship in a club I was a member of I'd want the chap to
get a severe dressing down and perhaps a grounding. If the wings had come
off the insurance would likely have smiled sweetly and said 'no claim'
Where will your airline pilot be when the rest of the club members are
sanding and refinishing the crazed gelcoat?
Cavalier attitudes to whats written in the handbook can only get you into
trouble.
Ian Molesworth pan...@iaccess.za Tel **27 11 452 0002
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Ian Molesworth
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Ian Molesworth <pan...@iaccess.za> wrote:
>Kai Lindenberg <kaili> wrote:
>>A club member of mine finished a roll with a LS4 with a speed of >300km/h.
>>He is a licensed aerobatic pilot and an airline pilot.
>>
>
>That's nice! My LS4 handbook says NOT RATED FOR AEROBATICS.
>
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