The best glider to buy.
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I think it will be something like a Standard-Cirrus, Standard-Libelle,
ASW-15b, DG-100 or an LS-1.
Can anyone tell me which one is the best of those five and why?
And where to look for buying this type of gliders?
Suggestions about other glider simular in price and performance are also
welcome.
Thanks,
Gliderpilot.
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Christian Hostettler
You are talking of buying a good glider and mention gliders 3 generations
old - looks like you are a greenhorn glider pilot - sorry I'm saying that.
Just some questions:
- Do you just use the glider for fun flying?
- Do you intend to fly competitions in future?
- What kind of comps do you have in mind - Club Class, Standard Class....?
- How many hours you intend to fly per year?
- Did you make a cost comparison what an hour will cost you with your own
glider, or with a glider if the gliding club - lets say if you fly
100h/year.
- How much monney can you invest to buy a glider?
- The mentioned DG100 is less recomendable in comparison to the other
models because the manufacturing quality loks not to have the same level.
- The ASW15 have to be checked closely, because of balsa glasfibre sand-
wich construction of the wing.
- Gliders like the ASW-15 or the Libelle with +shape elevator are a bit
trickier to start and land with crosswind and the possibility of demage
while outlanding is bigger - but their flying handling is fine.
- The Standard Cirrus is less stable in pitch because of its elevator
construction and its air flow can stall when pulling too much in tight
turns.
But there are newer non flapped gliders existing on the used glider
market with good handling qualities like the LS4, ASW19. I think the
LS4 is a very good glider to start with (I'm saying that even if I flew
the ASW24 for several years). It tolerant in handling, gives you a good
feel for the thermals and has good flying performance.
best greetings
Chris
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glidercham...@my-deja.com
Europe (where i live) those planes are much more expensive, then the first
generation glass planes. If I had the money to but an LS-4, I would buy one.
What about your commend on the DG-100? I always hear positives remarks about
this plane.
In article <Pkbk3.8819$yD2....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
Bert Willing
Christian Hostettler wrote:
> Depends what you intend to use it for and what your flying experience is.
> You are talking of buying a good glider and mention gliders 3 generations
> old - looks like you are a greenhorn glider pilot - sorry I'm saying that.
>
> <glider...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7mqqrm$j5q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > I'am looking for a good glider to buy.
> >
> > I think it will be something like a Standard-Cirrus, Standard-Libelle,
> > ASW-15b, DG-100 or an LS-1.
> >
What makes you come to this conclusion? All of the gliders he mentioned are
good, but of course you get better ones if you put the bucks. Changing a LS1
into a LS4 makes you double the budget.
--
Bert Willing
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Christian Hostettler
also of a ASW19 (as I have done after accidents) then you
would know the difference.
Loose raisin in the wing, waterbags ruptured because there
are spiky rests of raisin hanging around....
The quality of the Elan gliders is a bit better than the ones
manufactured in Germany.
CH
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Christian Hostettler
then an LS1 is shure ok - I was only surprised by the question:
I want to buy a good glider and mentioning first generation of
glasfibre gliders. It allways depends what you intend to use it for.
CH
GF O'Neill
the LS1 then the DG100 next then there is not much between the
last 3 ,probably the ASW 15 last mainly due to its off centre hook,
other things like construction details etc start to count.
gary
<glider...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I'am looking for a good glider to buy.
>
> I think it will be something like a Standard-Cirrus, Standard-Libelle,
> ASW-15b, DG-100 or an LS-1.
>
glider...@hotmail.com
questions.
I'm an jong gliderpilot from Holland. I'am 15 and I fly already three years.
I already have 300 flight in gliders. At this time I'am still bussy with
aquiring my gliderpilotlicense, because you are only allowed to get a
license when you're sixteen.
At the end of the season I can start to fly x-country. Nest year I am
planning to fly my first juniorchampionships.
Because you can't get a glider from the club for competitiongliding I'am
looking for an glider to buy.
The budget is limited. Therefor I had to select only the cheaper gliders. I
want to have an glassglider. Because of the budget I selected only the first
generation plastic gliders. I think those gliders are also good enough to fly
with in clubclass championships.
After the comments i heard until now, the DG-100 is my favourite. Allmost
everyone i talked to told me that this glider had an slightly better
performance. They also told me that it was an nice glider to fly and that it
was nice to fly with the big canopy.
I'am also thinking of the Standard-Libelle and the ASW-15b with winglets.
They told me that these winglets increase the performance a lot.
Also the LS-1f is in consideration, but that one is more expensive.
I'am interrested to hear all commets that you now on these gliders. Is there
one that has better performance. I'am also interrested in special things to
look for when buying this planes.
Every reaction is welcome,
Thanks,
Gliderpilot 47.
In article <7mqqrm$j5q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
julian...@my-deja.com
I have flown all the gliders you mentioned and as an ex owner of an
LS1F, I would choose the LS1 followed by the DG100. The earlier DG's
with the all flying tailplane and two piece canopy are not as easy to
fly as the later models.
I have flown more than 40 different types of glass ships and I still
think that the LS1 was the nicest handling standard class ship that I
have flown. The only criticism I would make of the LS1, is that the
cockpit is quite small, but I suspect that it would not be a problem for
you, besides, it helps with the feeling of being at one with the
aircraft.
Other advantages of the LS1 are good field landing characteristics with
effective airbrakes, a well sprung undercarriage and effective wheel
brake. Coupled with straight forward rigging and very good performance
for its age, I think it would be a good option for you, not withstanding
your budget constraints.
Good luck with your choices and soaring future!
Regards
Julian Mason
In article <7mvukb$5n6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Christian Hostettler
second
the Standard Cirrus and third the DG100. The last two are less easy to fly
because
of the elevator design.
CH
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Bo Brunsgaard
>
> I'am also thinking of the Standard-Libelle and the ASW-15b with
> winglets.
> They told me that these winglets increase the performance a lot.
Two things that you might want to consider here.
Firstly, if you're looking for a glider to use in competitions, make
sure to check the rules as to whether winglets are allowed in club
class. I know that the rules at the last European Club Class
Championships specifically did not allow winglets on club class
gliders.
Secondly, I fly a Libelle with winglets. It is a really nice addition
to an already great glider. I never fly with the old wingtips on
anymore, always with the winglets.
Just don't fall into the trap of believing, that they'll give you a
major performance advantage. The primary benefit is improved aileron
effect at low speeds, better directional stability and a more docile
stall behaviour. There is a bit of raw performance to be gained, but it
is secondary.
No matter what people will tell you, those two white thingys sticking
up at the wingstips won't turn it into an ASW22!
We paid just around DKK 25,000 to have winglets installed (that'll be
around 7,500 Dutch Guilders). About half of that is returned in better
handling, and a bit in performance. As for the rest, well, as they say,
big boys, expensive toys ;-)
Even without the winglets the Libelle remains a real nice glider,
fairly cheap to come by, very little maintenance, well suited for weak
or moderate conditions and a lot of fun to fly.
Good luck with your search for a glider.
Bo Brunsgaard
Std. Libelle OY-XKB
chris_...@my-deja.com
ASW15 - spar rot worried me too much
DG100 - could not get comfortable or find a good one at a sensible price
Cirrus - All flying tail plus 'unsure' rigging
LS1 - could not find one
Libelle - found a nice one at a good price and bought it...really
pleased with it, easy to rig, handles nicely and the airbrakes are fine,
you just neeed to land at the right speed.
Basically buy the best condition you can at the right price.
Chris
In article <7ms763$vlj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
glidercham...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I know that planes like the LS-4 and ASW-19 are better planes to fly,
but in
> Europe (where i live) those planes are much more expensive, then the
first
> generation glass planes. If I had the money to but an LS-4, I would
buy one.
>
> What about your commend on the DG-100? I always hear positives remarks
about
> this plane.
>
> In article <Pkbk3.8819$yD2....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>,
> "Christian Hostettler" <Christian....@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > Depends what you intend to use it for and what your flying
experience is.
> > You are talking of buying a good glider and mention gliders 3
generations
> > old - looks like you are a greenhorn glider pilot - sorry I'm saying
that.
> >
> > <glider...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7mqqrm$j5q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > I'am looking for a good glider to buy.
> > >
> > > I think it will be something like a Standard-Cirrus,
Standard-Libelle,
> > > ASW-15b, DG-100 or an LS-1.
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me which one is the best of those five and why?
> > > And where to look for buying this type of gliders?
> > >
> > > Suggestions about other glider simular in price and performance
are also
> > > welcome.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gliderpilot.
> > >
> > >
glider...@hotmail.com
>
> I think it will be something like a Standard-Cirrus, Standard-Libelle,
Everyone told me about the good performance and handling of the LS-1f, but
what about the ealier models?(LS-1c/d/e)
glider...@hotmail.com
replys, does anyone agree with him or reject his opinion?
In article <7mqqrm$j5q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
glider...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I'am looking for a good glider to buy.
>
> I think it will be something like a Standard-Cirrus, Standard-Libelle,
rlovi...@transystems.com
fly it regularly every weekend, work and weather permitting.
Occasionally, I try to fly along with an LS-4. The '4 definitely has a
flatter glide than mine, but that doesn't detract from the fun I have.
The major drawback to the c/d model is the two piece canopy. Trying to
work on the instrument panel and rudder pedals is a real pain because
of the fixed front canopy. Of course, this will be the case for any
older design that uses two canopies.
I can't really give you my idea of how it flys because I haven't flown
any other glass ship in many years. All I can say is that I enjoy
flying it.
Overall, I would definitely recommend the ship. Just be aware that if
you aero-tow, the center-of-gravity tow hook can, but not necessarily,
cause the plane to climb abruptly on take-off. I'm sure several
factors are involved, but most notably would be the location of the
Center of Gravity, based on pilot weight, etc. Nose hooks are better
for aerotow. But I suppose if you are flying in the Netherlands, you
will use winch tows more often than aerotows.
Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina
USA
B1Sandy
and perform with the usual 39 or 40/1 gliders.