LS1-D
Pete Smith
So far I understand:
Retrac?
Water
All flying tail
Split canopy
LD 35-36??
Is this correct?
Does any one know the reasons for the rudder redesign
for the LS1-f - do I presume they (LS1-d's) are underuddered
or have poor control co-ordination?
Ta
Pete
Bernhard Reinhardt
> So far I understand:
> Retrac?
jep.
> Water
don?t know
> All flying tail
jep.
> Split canopy
canopy sucks.
> LD 35-36??
I thought 37-38. But I?m not sure.
> Is this correct?
> Does any one know the reasons for the rudder redesign
> for the LS1-f - do I presume they (LS1-d's) are underuddered
> or have poor control co-ordination?
underrudderd: no
poor control co-ordniation: no
flys great.
Bernhard
Ray Lovinggood
I've had my LS-1d since late 1994 and really enjoy
flying it. (Caveat: Since it is my first, and so
far, only glider, I would probably love it if it were
a 2-22...)
Yes, it has retractable landing gear.
Yes, it can carry water (although I never have.) My
understanding about this is the glider was made as
a 'C' and by issuing a letter, Rolladen-Schneider increased
the maximum allowable weight to permit water ballast.
Nothing was done to the aircraft, other than the letter.
This letter might apply to all 'C' models, thus making
them 'D' models. I'm not sure about this, however.
I would have to read the letter I have with mine and
see if it limits it to certain serial numbers. I have
serial no. 27.
Yep, all-flying tail. Fool-proof for installing.
Although a Standard Cirrus also has an all-flying tail,
I understand it can be installed, but not connected
properly. Not so the LS-1c/d.
Split Canopy? Yep. Sucks. Why? Just getting in
and out is easy enough, if you have someone that will
hold the canopy for you and not get sweaty hands and
arms all over it while they install it.
Want to work on the instrument panel or the rudder
pedals? Hire a skinny nine-year old kid.
L/D: I think if my wings didn't have the permanent
turbulators on the leading edge (thank you, trailer
rash) and some cracking gel coat, the L/D might be
around 36.
Can't say about under-ruddered or poor control harmony.
I don't fly anything else, so I can't compare. However,
I will say I enjoy every moment I get to fly this ship.
Where are you located? Mine is based at Harnett County
Airport, North Carolina. That's about halfway between
Raleigh and Fayetteville.
Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
LS-1d, 'W8' (as in 'WAIT' for me!!!)
tango4
Yup
> Water
Yup
> All flying tail
Yup - light on the stick but easy to fly.
> Split canopy
Yup - and its a pain when trying to work on the pedals or instruments.
Gettting in and out singlehanded is a knack that you aquire.
> LD 35-36??
I thought mine got around 37 / 38 especially when it was completely
refinished in 2k acrylics.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Does any one know the reasons for the rudder redesign
> for the LS1-f - do I presume they (LS1-d's) are underuddered
I don't know but around then all fying tails sort of lost favour. *perhaps*
associated with the cirrus reputation.
I thought control harmony was excellent before I got the LS4, that was
superb. Out of the 7 types I've owned and about 25 that I've flown the LS1-d
still rates well..
As a first ship it's a good bet.
Ian
Jan Waumans
not a first solo glider, more nervous than Schleicher gliders, but pleasant
to fly
light, easy to rig/unrig, a real pleasure for a glider of that age (wings 70
kg)
all-flying tail can be a cause of oscillations in the start with
unexperienced pilots
(try to have a nose hook)
do not fly it too slow
< 80-85 km/h controls become weak
has the reputation to go in a nasty spin
(never had trouble myself in 150 hrs, but know of a fatal accident with a
low time pilot)
LD 35-36 in theory (LD 30 if you stay under 120-130km/h by analysis of my
logs, but with bad wing coating)
count on average X-country speed of max 60 km/h (=max 300 km task)
you need help at the start to mount the canopy (like K6, ASW-15 but smaller
than this)
you will get used to the separation line
consider it has been designed as a contest glider >30 yrs ago with
performance in mind
not confort
the first generation of glass gliders
if you can get it at a reasonable price (7.500 -10.000 EUR) OK
if not consider the next generation
regards
Jan Waumans
LS-1C OO-YDD
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Jan Waumans
(not ours, had to input 15% bugs in the LX to come home)
Do you want to discuss the refinishing ?
Did you do it yourself ?
regards
Jan Waumans
LS-1C OO-YDD
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Mark Zivley
with a better canopy design, normal tail configuration, etc. A good
first glass ship if you've got some experience in something like a twin
lark or perhaps a Grob 103. Responsive handling, good climber, and easy
to rig. Probably not comfortable for anyone over 6'.
Chris Ruf
count on average X-country speed of max 60 km/h (=max 300 km task)
> LS-1C OO-YDD
Jan,
60mk/h??? where the heck do you get such slow xc speeds???
That is only 37mph. This Summer the ever humble Ray Lovinggood flew one of
his first sports class races ever and managed a raw speed of 50.24mph =
81km/h. [see results below]. This race was in Eastern Tennessee, average
eastern US conditions that are probably not dramatically different than
European conditions.
regards,
Chris Ruf
GTA race series
B Class Day 1
Task: Modified Assigned
ID Name Distance (Miles) Radius
1 CHILHOWEE 0.00 2.0
7 MC Minn Ap 10.00
8 Hardwick FLD 29.29
1 CHILHOWEE 42.95
7 MC Minn Ap 54.95
8 Hardwick FLD 74.24
1 CHILHOWEE 87.90
Minimum Time 02:00
Day Speed
Distance
ID Name Glider Rank Points Hndcp Actual
Hndcp Actual
-- ---- ------ ---- ------ ----- ------ --
--- ------
CS Jaeger, Dieter ASK-21 G 1001 51.86 43.95
103.72 87.90
S7 Hammond, Dave LS-4, LS-4 1 1000 51.83 54.56 122.12
128.55
W8 Lovinggood, Ray LS-1B, 1C, 2 988 51.20 50.24
114.02 111.89
4L McClary, John SZD-41A Ja 3 982 50.88 52.45
101.80 104.95
FP2 Suechting, Conrad PW-5 4 890 46.15 38.27
106.25 88.10
YP Slifer, John ASW-20a 5 696 36.08 39.95
79.37 87.90
Ray Lovinggood
'This Summer the ever humble Ray Lovinggood flew one
of
his first sports class races ever and managed a raw
Chris and others, no good deed goes unpunished. On
Day 2, I became a lawn dart, hitting the dirt no more
than 7 miles from the start point at Chilhowee. Can
this be blamed on the LS-1d? Of course! If I had
an eta, I would still be flying!
Ray Lovinggood
LS-1d, 'W8'
tango4
> LD 37-38 really ?
> (not ours, had to input 15% bugs in the LX to come home)
>
> Do you want to discuss the refinishing ?
> Did you do it yourself ?
>
Several hundred hours of damned hard work.
Removed every last piece of gelcoat by hand. Filled and hand finished the
whole lot. At the end of the job I'd knew every square millimetre of the
airframe intimately. Resprayed with Duco 2K cyanacrylate. The results were
tremendous but cost a seasons flying!
I think the original spec on the LS-1d was 1:37.5 and I reckon we got there.
Ian
Jan Waumans
I envy you to have a new LS1
Wonder if my partner and I will spend the same energy
Jan Waumans
LS1-C OO-YDD
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Jan Waumans
and I never plan more than 50 km/h avg
and enjoy my flights
I observed avg speed of 80 km/h with an LS-1 in the data of the Junior
European Championship last year in France by a talented young pilot
But this is the technically the maximum possible speed with this kind of
glider
If you want to do a 500 km every weekend you have to invest in a much more
performant ship
JW
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Joeri Cools
club that the Ls1f could not be used by tall pilots. I wish I didn't say to
other pilots that above 6' was not really a problem. Now about every one
flies the Ls1f and they love it (except a few). The tallest pilot I've seen
in our club Ls1f was about 6' 2". Remove the seat and take your time to
install yourself and it is very comfortable. I did several flights of more
than 4 hours in it this year without any problem.
Joeri.
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