Questions for current and former Jantar Standard owners

[gi...@netpro.com]

I just purchased a 1992 Jantar Standard 3, and I wanted to solicit
advice before my first flight in it.

I have about 400 hours total, mostly giving rides in a SGS 2-32
(heavy, fast, stable). I've got around 100 hours in ASK-21s and Grob
103s, and about 10 hours in a Pagasus.

Aside from the preflight information in flight manual, what things
should I be sure to check during preflight?

Any interesting behaviors I should be aware of on initial roll on tow
(like visibility problems)? How about crosswind takeoffs?

How does the glider fly on tow?

Anything interesting about thermalling flight, i.e. how does the ship
handle in slow turning flight in turbulence? What is the stall like in
a thermalling turn?

Anything I should know about the pattern, and particularly the flare
and rollout?

Any other comments or questions I should asking?

Thanks for any help...

-gil

[Gapagod]

I sure would appreciate your insights as well. I'm in process of buying one
too!

Jim Husain
gap...@aol.com

[Al]

Email Sam Whiteside he flies a Jantar Std.2
his email address can be found at www.move2nv.com

While your their look into moving to Minden as well ;-)

Regards

Al

Gapagod <gap...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote in message
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[Tom Seim]

The Jantar has the advantage of a really tall and stout gear (although your
view out the canopy during the initial part of the takeoff is mostly of the
sky). The handling is reasonably benign. I did not like the high amount of
friction in the ailerons (while the elevator was much lighter). The
workmanship is definitely inferior to German gliders. All of the Jantars I
saw at Leszno (Poland) had a definite flatening over the spar cap. I would
also be concerned about the availability of spare parts from the factory,
which is in the process of being sold.

Tom Seim, 2G
Richland, WA

gi...@netpro.com wrote in message <37f67ec2....@news.primenet.com>...

[Don Golden]

I own an interest in a Jantar Standard 2 and have these comments.

The reclining position is more pronounced in the jantar than in many of its
contemporaries. This combined with the tall instrument panel does restrict
forward visibility a bit. This is most apparent on tow and I tend to fly
just a little lower relative to the tow plane than I do in other aircraft.

The tall gear is unsprung so the tire is your only shock absorber. This
can provide a bit of a rough ride on takeoff and landing on a rough field.

The stall is docile and there is some buffeting beforehand to warn you. It
spins quickly right or left but recovers 'by the book'. I find the pitch
control very nearly perfect, just the right sensitivity. I'd like it to
roll faster...but who wouldn't.

The lack of pronounced dihedral is not particularly apparent in the lateral
stability of the aircraft.

The spoiler are effective, but induce a buffet when deployed...don't let
this bother you.

Have fun and fly safely...

[Don Golden]

Let me clarify my statement about spinning the Jantar Standard 2.

It spins if you force it to spin, but it does not surprise you by
spinning unasked.

I would not hesitate to send a 'first time glass' pilot up in this ship
provided he or she is a competent pilot and has gone through a
briefing. In fact, I just did this with my new partner...

[fado...@my-deja.com]

My comments apply to the earlier version, 41A, I don't know how
different the 48-3 version is. The most important advice I can think of
is to spend some time strapped in on the ground making sure you can get
full throw on the airbrakes. Because of the reclined position, there is
nowhere for your elbows to go as you pull the brake handle back. This
is disconcerting at first, but you can adapt, learning to shift your
body a little to the side to make room for your elbow. The same applies
for the gear handle, though this is more difficult to practice on the
ground. Also spend some time getting the seat adjusted, possibly adding
some lower back support. Once you get it dialed in, it is very
comfortable. Flying is easy. Thermalling is comfortable at 45 knots,
except in very turbulent conditions. Tends to float a bit after flare.

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Before you buy.

[Janusz Kesik]

fado...@my-deja.com napisał(a) w wiadomości:
<7tasn6$eco$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...

>My comments apply to the earlier version, 41A

SZD-41A was probably the earliest version of Jantar Standard. Later versions
have shorter fuselage, and some other modifications, like new, more
effective ailerons, one piece canopy, separate water tanks, etc.

Jantars (all) dislikes flying in rain. It's no matter it is strong or weak,
in both situations sinking speed increases a lot.

Except it, it's very good ship, and in our club there are two SZD-41A (one
of them is an prototype with serial number B-700). This year we have a lot
of 500's, and one 750 in them. Next year I'll try to enjoy first flight on
Jantar, and till this moment I have to enjoy flying on Cobra 15 (SZD-36).

I hope You'll have a lot of fun in Your new Jantar.

Keep flying.

Janusz Kesik
Poland
lan...@polbox.com