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Daniel Baumli
Dec 7, 2014, 5:13:21 AM12/7/14
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Dear gliderpilots,
I don't want to abuse your forum for big advertising. But since our clothes are something new it might interest you.
So just post the link to our website. If you have any questions fell free to write me.
www.milvus.aero/english
Have a nice Advent Sunday!
Daniel
I don't want to abuse your forum for big advertising. But since our clothes are something new it might interest you.
So just post the link to our website. If you have any questions fell free to write me.
www.milvus.aero/english
Have a nice Advent Sunday!
Daniel
jmraa...@gmail.com
Dec 7, 2014, 9:23:37 AM12/7/14
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$250 for a pants, I'll stick with REI for an expensive option.
Daniel Baumli
Dec 7, 2014, 10:37:08 AM12/7/14
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Hi,
I understand if the price seems high, but since there is a lot of development behind and we produce in small quantities we have to put all the sidecoast like development, administration, marketing, logisitcs on this small number of products.
Have a nice day!
I understand if the price seems high, but since there is a lot of development behind and we produce in small quantities we have to put all the sidecoast like development, administration, marketing, logisitcs on this small number of products.
Have a nice day!
jmraa...@gmail.com
Dec 7, 2014, 10:54:47 AM12/7/14
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Pilots are inherently cheap, especially glider pilots. Don't get me wrong, I like the looks and functionality.
Cookie
Dec 7, 2014, 11:24:18 AM12/7/14
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Well that's about $300 USD. Thank you for reminding me that I am apparently one of the few glider pilots who is not a freakin' billionaire!
Nice touch with the price break at 7 pairs... I mean any self respecting glider pilot just must have a pair for each day of the week...And when I blow over $2 grand on pants...I want to save 5 or 10 bucks...7 pairs makes it easy on the servants too...so they can attend to important things, not doing the wash every day...
For us mere "thousandaires"...a pair of cargo shorts from WalMart for $8 and Hanes Beefy Tee.(with pocket) for $4.35 and we're good to go flying!
Chart goes into the map pocket in the glider and I write important stuff directly on my hand! For UV protection of the ankles....socks!
If you're into the "pockets everywhere" thing...a surplus air force coveralls flight suit can be had at the army navy store for $25....
Just sayin'....
Good luck with the business venture
Cookie
Daniel Baumli
Dec 7, 2014, 11:48:55 AM12/7/14
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Hi Cookie,
It's not our attention to offend you or anyone else in this Forum.
Everyone can fly with the clothes he likes.
We struggle with the same issues like avionics producer. They ask several tousand dollars for an airplaneinstrument but a mobilphone has more functions and better performance. They also have a small quantity of products and a lot of development.
I'm sorry if my post offended you.
Kind regards
Daniel
It's not our attention to offend you or anyone else in this Forum.
Everyone can fly with the clothes he likes.
We struggle with the same issues like avionics producer. They ask several tousand dollars for an airplaneinstrument but a mobilphone has more functions and better performance. They also have a small quantity of products and a lot of development.
I'm sorry if my post offended you.
Kind regards
Daniel
Bob Kuykendall
Dec 7, 2014, 11:57:45 AM12/7/14
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I usually get my soaring attire from thrift stores and mountaineering shops:
* Loose white cotton shirt, epoxy stained
* 1990's Regional contest T-shirt (preferably John Shelton designs)
* Rock climbing pants (REI or Royal Robbins)
* Hiking boots
* Short-billed baseball cap, no button
* Loose white cotton shirt, epoxy stained
* 1990's Regional contest T-shirt (preferably John Shelton designs)
* Rock climbing pants (REI or Royal Robbins)
* Hiking boots
* Short-billed baseball cap, no button
Cookie
Dec 7, 2014, 3:24:41 PM12/7/14
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Daniel,
I'm not offended in the least...just having some fun at your expense.
I am trying to figure out your business model..???
(you have a highly specialized product, in a tiny market, and an extravagant price....I don't see it working for you)
But hey, if you can sell lots of $300 pants...more power to you...
(maybe I'm in the wrong business)
Cookie
I'm not offended in the least...just having some fun at your expense.
I am trying to figure out your business model..???
(you have a highly specialized product, in a tiny market, and an extravagant price....I don't see it working for you)
But hey, if you can sell lots of $300 pants...more power to you...
(maybe I'm in the wrong business)
Cookie
Daniel Baumli
Dec 7, 2014, 4:20:05 PM12/7/14
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Hi Cookie,
Well it's not the goal to get rich. We're working besides MILVUS 100%.
After a few years flying sailplane I was frustrated that I don't get as good gear and clothes like for mountainbiking, running, mountaineering etc.
The idea behind MILVUS is to offer high quality products for ambitious glider pilots.Not everyone has the same demand on clothes.
But I would already miss my BRAVO trousers after flying a whole season with them :)
Well it's not the goal to get rich. We're working besides MILVUS 100%.
After a few years flying sailplane I was frustrated that I don't get as good gear and clothes like for mountainbiking, running, mountaineering etc.
The idea behind MILVUS is to offer high quality products for ambitious glider pilots.Not everyone has the same demand on clothes.
But I would already miss my BRAVO trousers after flying a whole season with them :)
Darryl Ramm
Dec 8, 2014, 12:52:20 PM12/8/14
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They are convertible, with the Milvus don't seem to be and at ~US$75 a lot less than US$250 + shipping from Europe. And available at lots of retailers/online stores in the USA, and often for ever lower discounted prices.
Milvus certainly has a slick expensive lookign Web site, but I'm just scratching my head here who the customer is and whether this pricing, and product, was tested before investing all this effort.
Sean Fidler
Dec 8, 2014, 1:17:50 PM12/8/14
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I love the idea of specialized soaring clothing but $300 bucks 😄 (plus Europe to USA shipping) for soaring pants is, at least initially, a bit shocking. Most of my "gliding" pants end up with grease on them (yes I wear an apron!). Within a season they are essentially grease spot covered, grungy painter pants. Therefore I am reluctant to wear anything valuable near the glider. The thigh windows in your $300 soaring pants are really nice but I like to be able to write notes and flip thru several pages quickly (checklist or task list for example). Your pants are only for easy viewing of pre inserted material for reading only. Making any changes to that material would require me to open the zipper and get the paper out, flip thru to what I need, the refold and re-insert back into the clear pocket while in flight. I'm not sure that I could ever be neat and organized enough to get everything I need into those two pockets while flying...
Here is what I have been using (similar) and it works well for me. I found a pair of Patagonia "cargo pants" that fit great and were on clearance ($80, shock cord ankles, ventilation zippers, tons of pockets, etc). I sewed in large Velcro pads onto each thigh as well as a set of "belt loops" around each thigh to keep the thigh clips (http://www.sportys.com/pilotShop/product/8782) in place. With this arrangement I can prearrange several things and flip the pages easily. I also have an ipad thigh strap (also sporty's pilot shop) which actually worked great (best actually). My iPad is currently illegal in US contests becuase it is LTE enabled 😞.
Anyway, these pants allow me to have all of my important info handy and I can also write notes easily on a notepad (very important to me). I probably have $100 into these pants including two Sporty's thigh pad straps. You can get great outdoor cargo pants (REI) for under $50 these days. The sewing took less than an hour. I'll post a picture sometime.
Good luck with your company! I think you have a good product but at an extreme price. Even top end sailing pants (bibs) is not even that expensive in the US (Musto, Henry Loyd, Zhick, etc).
Here is what I have been using (similar) and it works well for me. I found a pair of Patagonia "cargo pants" that fit great and were on clearance ($80, shock cord ankles, ventilation zippers, tons of pockets, etc). I sewed in large Velcro pads onto each thigh as well as a set of "belt loops" around each thigh to keep the thigh clips (http://www.sportys.com/pilotShop/product/8782) in place. With this arrangement I can prearrange several things and flip the pages easily. I also have an ipad thigh strap (also sporty's pilot shop) which actually worked great (best actually). My iPad is currently illegal in US contests becuase it is LTE enabled 😞.
Anyway, these pants allow me to have all of my important info handy and I can also write notes easily on a notepad (very important to me). I probably have $100 into these pants including two Sporty's thigh pad straps. You can get great outdoor cargo pants (REI) for under $50 these days. The sewing took less than an hour. I'll post a picture sometime.
Good luck with your company! I think you have a good product but at an extreme price. Even top end sailing pants (bibs) is not even that expensive in the US (Musto, Henry Loyd, Zhick, etc).
Daniel Baumli
Dec 8, 2014, 2:33:52 PM12/8/14
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Hi Sean,
Thanks for your feedback.
If we get the same good response like in europe, we try to find a reseller in the US. To avoid expensive shipping and returns. And to make it easier for clients.
It was never the approach to make the most cheapest clothes. Patagonia or Northface are probably the biggest outdoor clothing companys and they produce up to 30'000 pieces from the same pants with a good quality, long story short we will never reach their prices.
If you take a procuct from arcteryx or even north face with the same quality of the fabric and same amount of features you will see that we're not far away from their prices.
About the pockets- I have to make a correction- you can use them for writing, I note there frequencies, transponder codes etc. You have even a holder for a pen. Here you can find high res pictures of all features:
http://www.milvus.aero/produkte/bravo/
As you can certainly see on the linked page there are plenty more other features than the kneepockets.
I appreciate all the comments so far, it helps us to progress.
Daniel
Thanks for your feedback.
If we get the same good response like in europe, we try to find a reseller in the US. To avoid expensive shipping and returns. And to make it easier for clients.
It was never the approach to make the most cheapest clothes. Patagonia or Northface are probably the biggest outdoor clothing companys and they produce up to 30'000 pieces from the same pants with a good quality, long story short we will never reach their prices.
If you take a procuct from arcteryx or even north face with the same quality of the fabric and same amount of features you will see that we're not far away from their prices.
About the pockets- I have to make a correction- you can use them for writing, I note there frequencies, transponder codes etc. You have even a holder for a pen. Here you can find high res pictures of all features:
http://www.milvus.aero/produkte/bravo/
As you can certainly see on the linked page there are plenty more other features than the kneepockets.
I appreciate all the comments so far, it helps us to progress.
Daniel
Sean Fidler
Dec 8, 2014, 5:51:58 PM12/8/14
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That is a really, really impressive web page describing these soaring pants. I'm impressed. They are very sharp and clearly a lot of thought went into them!
50% discount for first 5 US customers ;-)!
Just kidding. Again, good luck and thanks for the info.
Sean
50% discount for first 5 US customers ;-)!
Just kidding. Again, good luck and thanks for the info.
Sean
Daniel Baumli
Dec 9, 2014, 3:42:01 AM12/9/14
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Hi Sean,
Thank you!
Yeah right, it's not just a pants. :) It's a soaring pants with a lot of features especialy for glider pilots, with features you won't find on any other pants. Maybe people get a wrong impression in our PDF flyer, i have to check that.
Maybe we make a sweepstakes one day, that would be 100% discount for one person ;)
Daniel
Thank you!
Yeah right, it's not just a pants. :) It's a soaring pants with a lot of features especialy for glider pilots, with features you won't find on any other pants. Maybe people get a wrong impression in our PDF flyer, i have to check that.
Maybe we make a sweepstakes one day, that would be 100% discount for one person ;)
Daniel
Kerry Kirby
Dec 9, 2014, 10:52:32 PM12/9/14
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Include a 100$ bill in each front pocket and you got a deal.
ND
Dec 11, 2014, 11:25:01 AM12/11/14
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Cookie
Dec 26, 2014, 8:33:53 AM12/26/14
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clewi...@gmail.com
Dec 26, 2014, 11:16:36 PM12/26/14
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No Cookie, no. They look like my grandma tried to solve a gliding attire problem with a tablecloth and a sewing machine! :O When flying in warmer climes, cargo shorts from Walmart Aerospace do me just fine. The North Face pants are on my 'checkout when passing a store' list (thanks Darryl!). Whilst Daniels product looks good from both functionality and style perspectives, it's just way too expensive. Make them convertible and I think USD$150 wouldn't be out of order. If that can't be achieved, perhaps production in China or Bangladesh like the rest of the world is in order. Either eay, good luck with your venture!
Casey
Casey
Cookie
Dec 27, 2014, 7:18:49 AM12/27/14
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LOL....
I gotta agree with you.....
I think we are seeing both extremes of the price and design spectrum here...something in the middle is what it should be!
Cookie
I gotta agree with you.....
I think we are seeing both extremes of the price and design spectrum here...something in the middle is what it should be!
Cookie
Pierre Vanders
Oct 18, 2020, 6:02:36 PM10/18/20
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I havent seen any trousers for sale yet but am sure these will feature soon. I agree milvus is the price of avionics, not a pair of trouser.
rgrs,
Pierre
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