Why Ventus B so unloved?
James Scott
handling? I have yet to meet a person who has a positive
word for one, especially the straight 15m model?Why are the so cheap vs a Discus etc?? What do they
know that I don't?Thanks againJames
John Shelton
its flaws.
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Basil Fairston
ailerons but the trailing edge airbrakes make it very easy to land as long
as you have been briefed on how to use them. Since almost every flight ends
in a landing this is an important advantage. It is also lighter than the
Ventus C and I liked it most in 15m mode.
Basil
UK
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Robert Ehrlich
I was told by François-Louis Henry, who is flying in the same club where I do,
and owned a Ventus B before he changed for a Ventus 2a (with which he won the
nationals in 2000 if I remember correctly) that before he put turbulators on the
winglets this glider was subject to spin without any warning. From memory, maybe
inaccurate.
Marc Ramsey
I did about 50 hours in one. Performance in a straight line is
oustanding. Light wings, automatic hookups, easy to assemble.
Large cockpit, trailing edge dive brakes made short field
landings a snap. Stall characteristics were fairly benign, it
would drop a wing, but there was plenty of warning. It should
have been the perfect glider for me.
The problem is that mine (and apparently others) was essentially
neutrally stable in all axis. It required continual stick and
rudder input to fly in a straight line. Ailerons on mine were
rather heavy and required large deflections. It was not very
happy thermalling at anything below 60 knots (dry), even using
landing flap position (which I often did).
Folding a map, reaching for things, etc., could be an adventure,
as I would at times end up in rather unusual attitudes. After
a 2 or 3 hours flight in it, I'd be pretty tired and prone to
making silly mistakes. I decided I needed something more pilot
friendly, and put it up for sale. I later bought an ASW-20BL,
which was an absolute dream to fly.
If your primary consideration is going fast, buy one and you may
find yourself able to live with the shortcomings. The Ventus C
has a bit better handling, and the prices reflect that. In my
opinion, if you want an older 15M glider you'll enjoy flying, an
ASW-20, LS-3, or LS-6, are better choices.
Marc
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been weighing which glider to start with. I have crewed a Ventus B in the
mid 80's and found nothing to be worried about. It was a very capable glider
then and I think one of the first to come with tip extensions.Then having
been away for 18 years, I am familiar with the sailplanes around at that
time, and am considering a ASW-20 A/B/C/BL etc..the Ventus B the LS4 B and
others. Not a Vega lol. Does the Ventus have a problem?
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Marc Ramsey
"Todd Pattist" <tpat...@DONTSPAMME.snet.net> wrote...> Everyone I know thinks the Ventus C is superb - a bit better
> handling and equally good performance. (Of course, I'm
> biased) No one I've ever met has ever described the Ventus
> B as having a "problem." They sometimes describe its
> handling as requiring a bit more attention, but they always
> hasten to add that the better performance (as compared to
> its peers) is worth it. :-)
Different strokes for different folks. What is worth it to me
is a glider with decent performance that is also enjoyable and
forgiving to fly. The B was a "problem" for me, which is why
I sold mine. It was a "problem" for a friend who had hundreds
of hours in his Ventus B, let himself get distracted for a few
seconds on final approach, and ended up totalling it. Yes, I
know that sort of thing can happen in any glider, but the Ventus
B required just a bit too much attention for me to feel safe
flying it. Of course, as a macho stud sailplane pilot, I
probably shouldn't admit any such thing...
Paul Remde
it's pretty easy to fly in the pattern.
I'd love a Ventus C or Ventus 2, but Ventus C's were hard to find a few
years back and I can't afford a Ventus 2... yet...
Mine has Masak winglets and I've heard that those improve the handling quite
a bit. I haven't flown it with out the winglets.
I must admit that I don't have that many hours in the Ventus though. It
sure does like to go fast! I can't wait to wring it out at the Region 7
contest in a few months!
Good Soaring,
Paul Remde
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Tony Smolder
We have 6 or so Ventus B's racing here in Arizona and they are great
for the strong SW desert conditions. I personally have 2000 hours in
mine and have logged several 90+ mph race speeds. Fill it with 30
gallons of water and it will run flat at 110 kts between thermals.
Only stalled it once in thermalling mode and it was only because it
was the end of the day, I had the altitude, and I wanted to explore
how slow I could get it - 36 kts before it broke over.
A great racing sheen for the price.
Tony
TS1 - Ventus B
Armand A. Medeiros
The most useful answer to me would be ft/sec down at some given speed...like
60/80/100 knots wet/dry etc...
Thanks!
Armand
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TIM WARD
"Armand A. Medeiros" <zar...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Just for reference and out of curiosity, what is this "go fast" in
numbers?
> The most useful answer to me would be ft/sec down at some given
speed...like
> 60/80/100 knots wet/dry etc...
>
> Thanks!
>
> Armand
Well, you could look at http://www.ssa.org/Johnson/40-1982-06.pdf and get
some numbers.
Tim Ward
Dick Johnson
ever built. They do however lack a little in stick free pitch
stability, but that is easily corrected. To fix that, I added a small
triangular wedge of balsa wood to the bottom of the trailing edges of
my elevators. At first those balsa wedges were about 1.5 mm thick by
12 mm wide by 40 cm long, and attached at the root end of each
elevator. Later when I refinished my elevators with polyeurthane
enamel, I replaced the balsa wedges with a full span epoxy and
microballon wedge about 0.5 mm thick at the trailing edge.
As manufactured, the Ventus A and Bs (and other sailplanes also)
did not have enough elevator undercamber to provide adequate stick
free pitch stability, but adding the above described wedges corrects
that nicely.
As for the pilots having to work to keep the yaw string centered,
I have no fix for that. However, in my opinion real pilots should be
able to do that without too much effort. I believe that a yaw string
is a necessary safety-of-flight item on all sailplanes, even if you
have a stall warning system installed. I attach mine semi-permanently
with a drop of clear cement to my canopy.
Armand A. Medeiros
Armand
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Dan Dunkel
see http://home.earthlink.net/~dandunkel/glider_yd.htm.
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Al
Al
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Robert Nase Johnson
Thanks for the elevator tip, I'll try it!
Bob Johnson Vb
Bob Korves
those same pages. Dean is an absolute artist at his work and he should be
believed when he says that these are the best examples of their types in
existence. Both ships are WAY better than new. The link to both the
gliders for sale is http://home.earthlink.net/~dandunkel/. If you are
looking for a glider that is really special and distinctive, then make sure
to check out these ships.
-Bob Korves
Duo Discus 5H
LAK-17A 5K
Nolaminar
the hall will highlight good and bad surfaces.
The Cirrus was certainly slick, smooth and beautiful. Excellent attention to
detail.
With the excellent refinish, new updated panel and one piece canopy plus a
new Cobra trailer, he is not making any money on the sale.
RE Gaines
Marietta, GA