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John Sinclair

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Apr 21, 2021, 7:55:53 PM4/21/21
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It’s been 50 years now since I soloed in gliders at Black Forest, Co in 1971. I have logged over 5000 hours, mostly racing. Only flew one time last year due to Covid-19, but this year I found myself dreading the work involved with hooking up the trailer, driving an hour and a half, assembling, cleaning and taping the bird then flying for maybe 3 hours, followed by disassembly, then driving another hour and a half back home! The energy to do all this was needed just to flying that day!
Last year there were 4 pilots in our club that were over 85, two have quit and another died on his third flight in a new electric sailplane.............that leaves me? I have decided it’s time to hang it up!
Thanks for all the good memories over the years, mostly racing sailplanes.
Pat & JJ Sinclair
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Hank Nixon

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Apr 21, 2021, 9:14:04 PM4/21/21
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Great run- NO regrets.
UH

Matt Herron Jr.

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Apr 22, 2021, 1:15:58 AM4/22/21
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Hey JJ,

Even if you truly have decided not to fly any more, you will continue to be an inspiration to us all. I will always remember the advice, encouragement, and especially the stories you told at the ASI meets (all while kicking everyone's butts...). Thank you for your lifelong dedication and commitment to the soaring community, and in particular, to myself and my father. To you, and your ever present and engaged wife Pat, I salute you both.

Matt Herron

gkemp

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Apr 22, 2021, 8:27:02 AM4/22/21
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I soloed back in 1968 and lasted for about 40 years, I had alway said (when I started) that I would retire when I was 70, which I did, that was 15 year ago and though I dream of soaring often, always watch the sky and clouds and watch a lot of gliding videos, for me I think it was the right decision. I never wanted a young instructor to tap me on the shoulder and say, "hey, I think you need to take a ride with me." Besides the need for instantaneous decision making in competition flying and the degrading of that as you get older, I owed much to my wife who had endured my hobby for those 40 years. I think this decision can only be made by you and if you do, it is a good one. That doesn't mean you still won't be lurking on these forums. Like it ha been said, "it was a good run!"

gkemp "NK"

Morgan

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Apr 22, 2021, 11:08:30 AM4/22/21
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Good finish JJ!

I think we all wonder if we will have the strength to make the right decision early enough. I've seen people wait too long and it's not a good outcome.

I can always make room in the back seat of 5H if you want some flying without the responsibility of rigging. Still gotta make the long ass drive.

Always a pleasure having you visit Avenal.

Morgan

joel!!!!@yahoo,com

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Apr 22, 2021, 11:37:59 AM4/22/21
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On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:55:53 PM UTC-7, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
It was a Good Ride JJ - may the winds carry you to new adventures nd even better Finishes

BG

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Apr 22, 2021, 12:49:30 PM4/22/21
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It was an honor and pleasure to know you, I too got in to soaring inspired by a few like yourself with such fantastic success in a racing and accomplishments . Hope this does not sound like a good bye, but a thank for all you have done for us all. You even fixed a few planes over time, including my own

As an instructor for 35 years now, the worse part of my job is to give that person a tap on the shoulder, but it comes with the job. It is my hope the legacy we leave behind won't be one that puts another black mark on soaring. I am 72 now and feel I have just a few more good years unless I find that hot springs fountain of youth..... I am looking..

Aloha and Mahalo Nui LOa

Buzz Graves

5Z

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Apr 22, 2021, 1:42:51 PM4/22/21
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I's been a while since we've last seen you, but we'll miss you.

Tom & Karen 5Z

On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:55:53 PM UTC-7, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:

Eric Greenwell

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Apr 24, 2021, 1:06:13 PM4/24/21
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I completely understand, and I'm younger and don't to drive nearly so far. A
smaller, lighter, simpler glider sounds very attractive to me right now. Jan and
I are happy we knew you and Pat during the years we went to contests. May good
fortune continue to find you two.

--
Eric Greenwell - USA
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1

he...@mandhsoaring.com

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Apr 25, 2021, 5:42:29 PM4/25/21
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SIR ,

Just back from the race at Perry and I read this ..

I say well done , I say you did it right, I say you were my friend, you got what "we " got to do in the past.............!!!!!! , I say it is ........almighty !

You helped me when we asked, you helped lots and lots of folks.

Perfect JJ !

HW

2G

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Apr 28, 2021, 8:26:32 PM4/28/21
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If I had to travel 3 hours, plus assembly and derigging time, to fly I would probably quit too. That is why I own a motorglider that I keep tied down at my local airport. Pulling the covers off only takes 10 min and the airport is 15 min from my house. This week I played 18 holes of golf, drove to the airport, and had a 6 hour flight.

Tom

Evan K

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Apr 29, 2021, 1:02:20 PM4/29/21
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Congratulations Tom, your medal is in the mail.

Steve Leonard

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Apr 29, 2021, 7:11:16 PM4/29/21
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Thank you, JJ, for all your help and advice. I am saddened to see you are stopping flying, but glad you were able to make the decision on your own and without "prompting" from others. I will remember many things from my few meetings with you. Your willingness to provide relays while on air retrieves to save yourself and Pat many hours. The story of the landout where Pat got the nick name, "The Torch" and your tale of the helpers having two speeds: Stopped and faster than a a run. I will remember your serious side, as well as the fun side I got to see.

Congratulations on all you have accomplished, and Thank You for all those you helped keep in the air. I hope I can be a part of the trip to get that latest project you did. It looks GORGEOUS!

Thank you so much and do keep in touch and monitoring the frequency.

Steve Leonard

2G

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Apr 29, 2021, 7:55:06 PM4/29/21
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As is your sarcasm metal. Now, maybe you have something meaningful to say (but probably not)...

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Roy B.

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Apr 30, 2021, 9:28:09 AM4/30/21
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JJ:
Although you are not going to fly anymore, you are still a walking library of gliding knowledge. I hope that you can find a way to preserve that and share with the younger pilots all that you have learned in a lifetime of gliding. It would be wonderful if one of the younger "Podcast" pilots could interview you about your memories, flying techniques and repair knowledge. What you possess in your mind is invaluable to the sport, as was your friendship to the community.
All the best,
ROY

gkemp

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Apr 30, 2021, 7:42:54 PM4/30/21
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What you possess in your mind is invaluable to the sport, as was your friendship to the community.
> All the best,
> ROY


Wellllll!!!! some of us have been the victim of what is in his mind, I don't think we have to go there.

(for those with no sens of humor, just joking)

gkemp "NK"

John Sinclair

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May 1, 2021, 1:11:05 PM5/1/21
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Now, now Dr. Kemp,
Just because I flew 1000K before you did, is no reason to be vindictive!
😁JJ

Mark Fisher

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May 2, 2021, 4:26:39 AM5/2/21
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Mike Carris

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May 3, 2021, 2:09:05 AM5/3/21
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John Sinclair

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May 3, 2021, 10:08:10 AM5/3/21
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Photo needs some explanation..........
The ship is a Zanonia replica that I just finished up fo the South West Soaring Museum. Johnny Robinson flew it to 3 US National Championships, World Altitude Record (Bishop, Ca) and Worlds first Diamond Badge! No wheel, it took off on a 2 wheel dolly that was then dropped off.........
Johnny installed a Venturi and a needle & ball, then taught himself To fly in clouds! Car tow at Torrey Pines into slope lift, then thermal when a Cu drifted inland. John would enter the cloud and taught himself to fly blind! In competition He would often win the day with 1000 points and the guy in second place would maybe get 200 points!
After winning the Nationals 3 times in a row, cloud flying was forbidden in the US rules.
JJ

Mike Carris

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May 4, 2021, 10:52:31 AM5/4/21
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That is a beautiful sailplane design and I bet the workmanship is as impressive as the Super Albatross replica you also donated to the SWS museum. Looking forward to seeing it there.

Mike

Aldo Cernezzi

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May 4, 2021, 6:13:27 PM5/4/21
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Backseat available in Italy, if you wish to visit the Alps or the Appennines.

all the best for your future life,

Aldo Cernezzi

Mike Koerner

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May 6, 2021, 3:43:36 AM5/6/21
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Thanks for the use of the sleeping bag, JJ.
May not seem like much, to loan the bag to a kid who flies in without a crew. But it was heart-warming for me… And a lot more comfortable than my canopy cover.
I flew back to Cal City the next day; May 19, 1979.
Mike Koerner

John Sinclair

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May 6, 2021, 11:43:04 AM5/6/21
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Hi Mike,
We remember well........kid flies without a crew and not even a toothbrush. Tows out of Cal City, lands at Minden, spends the night, then takes another tow and flies back to Cal City! You got to be packin’ a large pair of Cohunas!
Well done,
JJ

Mike Koerner

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May 12, 2021, 2:43:28 PM5/12/21
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JJ,
I know you’re just having fun, but I’m worried someone reading your comments might walk away with a misimpression of cross-country soaring.
I know where some alternate landing sites are and keep one within glide all the time. And I keep my airspeed in the green, stay away from thunderstorms and avoid hitting mountains. So, except for the tooth decay issue, my cross-country flights are no more dangerous than local soaring.
Now, flying around in the back of an F-4 or B-52 like you used to do, that’s a whole different story.
Mike Koerner

NEW YEARS RESOLUTION 2010 MOCIUNPICTURES

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May 12, 2021, 4:06:53 PM5/12/21
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On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 4:55:53 PM UTC-7, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> It’s been 50 years now since I soloed in gliders at Black Forest, Co in 1971. I have logged over 5000 hours, mostly racing. Only flew one time last year due to Covid-19, but this year I found myself dreading the work involved with hooking up the trailer, driving an hour and a half, assembling, cleaning and taping the bird then flying for maybe 3 hours, followed by disassembly, then driving another hour and a half back home! The energy to do all this was needed just to flying that day!
> Last year there were 4 pilots in our club that were over 85, two have quit and another died on his third flight in a new electric sailplane.............that leaves me? I have decided it’s time to hang it up!
> Thanks for all the good memories over the years, mostly racing sailplanes.
> Pat & JJ Sinclair

JJ, respectfully, are you confusing the ground work with the flying? I'm also getting older, and find the ground work an increasing burden, but still feel ok to fly. I'm going back to power flying a rental (turn up, fly, go home) and am looking to join a 2-seat glider partnership... with younger pilots who appreciate someone to share the financial burden.

John Sinclair

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May 13, 2021, 9:31:01 AM5/13/21
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I salute your spirit, Mike. The spirit of youth..........Actually one could say, “the spirit of soaring”, Hitchhiking on the wind!
All the best,
Pat & JJ

John Sinclair

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May 13, 2021, 9:54:43 AM5/13/21
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I have always said that I planned to keep flying as long as I was making good decisions and my health held out. After my family had “ the talk” with me, I made a brutally honest assessment at my recent flying. My landings were getting worse, not better! I landed in a dry lake that wasn’t all that dry! It looked completely dry from the air and my landing on the edge was fine, but then I called for an aero-retrieve! The Pawnee rolled to a stop beside my ship and then sank up to its axles in “not so dry”, mud! Getting both ships out of there took a gang of people and several 4 wheel drive vehicles, most of the next day! All caused by a very bad call on my part. Did I mention that I no longer have sharp vision in my left eye? It’s time for me to hang it up, good memories and no regrets!
JJ

Steve Leonard

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May 14, 2021, 9:15:43 AM5/14/21
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I like Mike's "hitchhiking on the wind" adventure of April 1984. Makes that 290 or so mile weekend trip to Minden and back seem like the early training run it was. I probably have a couple of details wrong, but 902.95 miles from Cal City to Seminole, Texas on Saturday. Secures plane. Takes bus to Odessa, Texas. Hops airline back to LA. Gets back Sunday and back at work Monday. He becomes a Father for the first time early in the week, so he and his wife and new son decide to delay retrieving the Kestrel for a couple of weeks.

Please don't stop contributing to discussions and flying, JJ. We can't afford to have you just walk away. And, Mike, keep having those grand adventures!

Steve Leonard

stephen...@sympatico.ca

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Jun 18, 2021, 12:19:50 PM6/18/21
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Hi John, I sent a message to you using the GliderSource website re an item you are selling. Just letting you know here because in the past the message system on that site has been spotty. Let me know if you don’t get it. Thanks.

John Sinclair

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Jun 18, 2021, 10:51:47 PM6/18/21
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> >
> > Steve Leonard

> Hi John, I sent a message to you using the GliderSource website re an item you are selling. Just letting you know here because in the past the message system on that site has been spotty. Let me know if you don’t get it. Thanks.

I got it Steve, answer on its way to your email.
Just in case Glider Source is having problems, I have a late model SN-10 with brick and remote control for $800 bucks and a remote control for $100.
Cheers, JJ

pas...@gmail.com

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Jul 29, 2021, 2:51:24 PM7/29/21
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Good finish JJ. Had a pleasure to know you a bit. I thought I had it too. Had 10 year break after instructing in High Country, Glide Omarama and Aus. Could not take it anymore. Had to come back. I rather leave with my boots on than keep being pissed off when the weather is great. Only problem is, that covid took my glider buying chance for this summer. Still pissed off. Any one has a decent bird (or maybe 1/2) for sale in Europe let me know. Or can give me summer long rental in good price. Not rolling in dough at the moment as Cobid slowed things down 85% for 1,5 years but getting back up. Pasi @ pasipulkkinen.com

2G

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Aug 7, 2021, 1:02:38 AM8/7/21
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I would be much more concerned about your landings than the judgment of calling for an aero-retrieve (I would have called for the trailer, not that much longer than aero-retrieving). It gets down to your ability to control your flight with the precision required for a good landing (stabilized approach with proper speed and descent rate, proper flare and touchdown). Bad landings are a definite indicator that you have lost the "touch." Nonetheless, it is an emotional time that most of us will have to experience sooner or later.

Tom

youngbl...@gmail.com

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Oct 25, 2021, 7:06:11 PM10/25/21
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On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 7:55:53 PM UTC-4, johnsin...@yahoo.com wrote:
> It’s been 50 years now since I soloed in gliders at Black Forest, Co in 1971. I have logged over 5000 hours, mostly racing. Only flew one time last year due to Covid-19, but this year I found myself dreading the work involved with hooking up the trailer, driving an hour and a half, assembling, cleaning and taping the bird then flying for maybe 3 hours, followed by disassembly, then driving another hour and a half back home! The energy to do all this was needed just to flying that day!
> Last year there were 4 pilots in our club that were over 85, two have quit and another died on his third flight in a new electric sailplane.............that leaves me? I have decided it’s time to hang it up!
> Thanks for all the good memories over the years, mostly racing sailplanes.
> Pat & JJ Sinclair
JJ, you can sleep comfortably knowing the old girl is resting and well accepted in the new home in Vero. Best to you, Old Bob, The Purist

John Sinclair

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Oct 25, 2021, 11:06:44 PM10/25/21
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Thanks, Bob
I’m sure April will enjoy the bird!
No regrets on this end……….70 years in the cockpit, with 50 in sailplanes and I’ve looked the Grim Reaper straight in the eye, 3 times!……….It’s time for me to hang it up!
JJ
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