Keeping Nazis off the net
Iris M/Karl H Striedieck
calls for censorship Bill. Those readers who are suspicious of Mr
Berle's motives may want to check out the source of irritation that has
the Holocaust industry in near panic. Bradley Smith
(http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/) has been plugging away for freedom
of expression for decades and his investigation of many of the claims
of the Holocaust promoters is quite revealing in what it says about
control of the organs of communication in this country. Don't let Mr.
Berle and his fellow censors take away your freedom to judge for
yourself. In the future let's confine these rantings to some more
appropriate net location. Karl Striedieck
Joe C. Parrish
Striedieck) wrote:
Mr. Striedieck--
I have an immense amount of respect for your accomplishments as a glider
pilot, and I agree with your suggestion that the topic of Nazis and
net.censorship is not relevant to this newsgroup.
However, in the course of suggesting that the discussion of censorship
should be moved to another forum, you endorse the work of Bradley Smith,
who makes his trade in the denial of the Holocaust. As the son of a
Survivor, I can assure you that the Holocaust did in fact take place; I
can also tell you that promoting racism is at the fundamental core of Mr.
Smith's "investigations". I am not personally familiar with the
"Holocaust industry" or "Holocaust promoters" to which you refer--but
perhaps we run in different circles.
I am greatly disturbed by the inferences in your post. I am particularly
saddened that someone of your stature in the soaring community would make
such statements in a public soaring forum.
I'll go back to talking about soaring if you will also.
--Joe Parrish
--
Joe C. Parrish Space Systems Laboratory
jpar...@ssl.umd.edu University of Maryland
(301) 405-0291 College Park, MD
Judah Milgram
Iris M/Karl H Striedieck <ixm...@psu.edu> wrote:
>the Holocaust industry
>the Holocaust promoters
>control of the organs of communication in this country
>Karl Striedieck
yikes.
Guenther Seemann
>yikes.
Don't know exactly what Judah will express with 'yikes' (didn't find that
word in my dictionary), but I assume that he don't agree with the poster who
claims to be Karl Striedeck.
If Karl really denies the genocide in the third Reich I'm shocked.
- Guenther
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Jeffrey A. Young
Joe C. Parrish <jpar...@ssl.umd.edu> wrote:
>In article <4l04te$14...@hearst.cac.psu.edu>, ixm...@psu.edu (Iris M/Karl H
>Striedieck) wrote:
>
>>Thanks for trashing out our otherwise friendly news group with your
>>calls for censorship Bill. Those readers who are suspicious of Mr
>>Berle's motives may want to check out the source of irritation that has
>>the Holocaust industry in near panic. Bradley Smith
>>(http://www.valleynet.com/~brsmith/) has been plugging away for freedom
>>of expression for decades and his investigation of many of the claims
>>of the Holocaust promoters is quite revealing in what it says about
>>control of the organs of communication in this country. Don't let Mr.
>>Berle and his fellow censors take away your freedom to judge for
>>yourself. In the future let's confine these rantings to some more
>>appropriate net location. Karl Striedieck
>
>Mr. Striedieck--
>
>I have an immense amount of respect for your accomplishments as a glider
>pilot, and I agree with your suggestion that the topic of Nazis and
>net.censorship is not relevant to this newsgroup.
However, you just couldn't resist adding to the thread, could you?
Now look, other posters are jumping in too....
>However, in the course of suggesting that the discussion of censorship
>should be moved to another forum, you endorse the work of Bradley Smith,
>who makes his trade in the denial of the Holocaust. As the son of a
>Survivor, I can assure you that the Holocaust did in fact take place; I
>can also tell you that promoting racism is at the fundamental core of Mr.
>Smith's "investigations". I am not personally familiar with the
>"Holocaust industry" or "Holocaust promoters" to which you refer--but
>perhaps we run in different circles.
I am not personally familiar with either side of this either. But why
should I believe either one of you (you or Smith)? Should we believe
*you* because you believed what one of your parent's told you? Should
we believe Smith's conclusions just because he makes them?
At least Karl is recommending that we judge for ourselves.
I looked at some of the information at Smith's web site. I saw nothing
there I would call racist. I also found nothing persuasive. My
description of it would be "dry".
Do you understand the expression "Thou dost protest too much."?
Remember that your credibility is one of your best weapons.
Jeff
P.S. I won't be so hypocritical as to apologize for continuing this
topic. However, I too request that the topic end with my post
(fat chance! :-)
Judah Milgram
Guenther Seemann <S...@WZL-MTQ1.WZL.RWTH-AACHEN.DE> wrote:
>In article <4l1i3n$d...@phantom.umd.edu>
>mil...@Glue.umd.edu (Judah Milgram) writes:
>>yikes.
>Don't know exactly what Judah will express with 'yikes'
Sorry about that. It's a somewhat old slang expression of alarm and
dismay over an unexpected and unwelcome development (turns out not even
to be in Webster's, let alone Langenscheidt's :))
>If Karl really denies the genocide in the third Reich I'm shocked.
The code words are easily recognized, and the URL he touted is a
Holocaust revisionist's home page. As Karl says, judge for yourself.
I'd like to believe the post was forged, but it doesn't appear to have
been. If it was, I'm sure he'll let us know.
- Judah
Paul Gallez
Lori Brand
personaly know several Holocaust survivors. I find Mr. Berle's message
and hate filled message disgusting. However, two very strong tenants of
the U.S. Constitution are freedom a of religion (which is how all of my
grandparents wound up in the U.S.A) and freedom of speech. You can't
.
Let's keep to the subject and talk about soaring. PLEASE!!!