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Boise Pilot
Feb 20, 2013, 4:28:29 p.m.2013-02-20
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Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
Matt Herron Jr.
Feb 20, 2013, 4:44:56 p.m.2013-02-20
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On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:28:29 PM UTC-8, Boise Pilot wrote:
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
> Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
The cockpits would make awesome Condor simulator platforms to promote soaring with the under 24 crowd. once converted, they could be sold to soaring sites for training too. I am a mechanical engineer, so I might be talked into donating some time to this type of project. I live in Menlo Park, CA. I bet most real controls could be hooked up to a gutted joystick...
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
> Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
Anyone else interested?
Matt
Bob Kuykendall
Feb 20, 2013, 4:45:05 p.m.2013-02-20
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Probably the most realistic idea I've heard yet is retrofitting L23
wings to L13s and seeking an STC for the combination. That's probably
a lot more cost-effective, though a lot less fun, than developing new
composite wings for L23.
Thanks, Bob K.
wings to L13s and seeking an STC for the combination. That's probably
a lot more cost-effective, though a lot less fun, than developing new
composite wings for L23.
Thanks, Bob K.
Bill D
Feb 20, 2013, 4:50:45 p.m.2013-02-20
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Bill D
Feb 20, 2013, 4:52:14 p.m.2013-02-20
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Matt Herron Jr.
Feb 20, 2013, 5:37:02 p.m.2013-02-20
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Just have to try one to find out. any volunteers? Any dead Blaniks near Menlo Park? I have a long driveway...
How about DYI conversion plans free, or cheap! Laser and CNC router patterns, wiring diagrams, component sourcing, etc. But would it be too weird to fly a blank with the performance of an ASW27b?
Matt
How about DYI conversion plans free, or cheap! Laser and CNC router patterns, wiring diagrams, component sourcing, etc. But would it be too weird to fly a blank with the performance of an ASW27b?
Matt
Bob Kuykendall
Feb 20, 2013, 5:49:58 p.m.2013-02-20
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On Feb 20, 2:37 pm, "Matt Herron Jr." <m...@digitalshorts.com> wrote:
> How about DYI conversion plans free, or cheap! Laser and CNC router patterns,
> wiring diagrams, component sourcing, etc.
That sounds like fun! I'll go make some popcorn... :)
> How about DYI conversion plans free, or cheap! Laser and CNC router patterns,
> wiring diagrams, component sourcing, etc.
ifee...@hotmail.com
Feb 20, 2013, 7:23:15 p.m.2013-02-20
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At around 2000hrs. total time: hold on to it and wait for the AD&C mod to be approved by the FAA (like it has been by many other national airworthiness authorities) or sell it very cheaply to someone in a country where it has already been approved.
If it's at more than 3000 or 4000 hours already the flying life given by the mod probably wouldn't be economically feasible given the cost versus remaining flying hours.
If it's at 5000 hours (or more) - scrap it after pulling any good parts off of it (oleo, wheel, instruments, possibly some miscellaneous small parts). 5000 hours is the current maximum authorized total airframe time with no further aerobatics even if you put the $12-15K into carrying out the AD&C mod.
Following the factory's website I don't see much hope for them coming up with an alternate solution anytime soon.
If it's at more than 3000 or 4000 hours already the flying life given by the mod probably wouldn't be economically feasible given the cost versus remaining flying hours.
If it's at 5000 hours (or more) - scrap it after pulling any good parts off of it (oleo, wheel, instruments, possibly some miscellaneous small parts). 5000 hours is the current maximum authorized total airframe time with no further aerobatics even if you put the $12-15K into carrying out the AD&C mod.
Following the factory's website I don't see much hope for them coming up with an alternate solution anytime soon.
son_of_flubber
Feb 20, 2013, 9:59:59 p.m.2013-02-20
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I'd like to see somebody make a small electricity generating windmill from an L-13. Convert lift to rotary motion. I guess you would need two left or two right wings to make it work.
janice stowers
Feb 20, 2013, 10:43:28 p.m.2013-02-20
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On Feb 20, 6:59 pm, son_of_flubber <row...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to see somebody make a small electricity generating windmill from an L-13. Convert lift to rotary motion. I guess you would need two left or two right wings to make it work.
Now would you like to hear a really sad story, Here on my local
> I'd like to see somebody make a small electricity generating windmill from an L-13. Convert lift to rotary motion. I guess you would need two left or two right wings to make it work.
airport in a hanger is a L-13 with only 28hrs on it and knowing it
will never fly again.
Bill D
Feb 20, 2013, 11:04:14 p.m.2013-02-20
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ifee...@hotmail.com
Feb 21, 2013, 2:31:42 a.m.2013-02-21
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"Now would you like to hear a really sad story, Here on my local
airport in a hanger is a L-13 with only 28hrs on it and knowing it
will never fly again."
If that L-13 really has 28hrs. T.T. on it and is in the like new condition that 28hrs. suggest... Well, the only thing stopping me from buying it, bringing it to Canada, getting the AD&C mod done to it and having it back in the air is the trifling matter of having a bank account with about $4.78 in it right now!
airport in a hanger is a L-13 with only 28hrs on it and knowing it
will never fly again."
Eric Munk
Feb 21, 2013, 4:02:28 a.m.2013-02-21
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At 03:43 21 February 2013, janice stowers wrote:
>m an L-13. =A0Convert lift to rotary motion. =A0I guess you would need
two
>=
gets FAA approval. It will be worth the trouble.
>On Feb 20, 6:59=A0pm, son_of_flubber wrote:
>> I'd like to see somebody make a small electricity generating windmill
>fro=
>> I'd like to see somebody make a small electricity generating windmill
>m an L-13. =A0Convert lift to rotary motion. =A0I guess you would need
two
>=
>left or two right wings to make it work.
>
>Now would you like to hear a really sad story, Here on my local
>airport in a hanger is a L-13 with only 28hrs on it and knowing it
>will never fly again.
>
Do the EASA approved STC and sell it to Europe. Or sit it out until the STC
>
>Now would you like to hear a really sad story, Here on my local
>airport in a hanger is a L-13 with only 28hrs on it and knowing it
>will never fly again.
>
gets FAA approval. It will be worth the trouble.
jack gilbert
Feb 21, 2013, 8:52:07 a.m.2013-02-21
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On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:28:29 PM UTC-5, Boise Pilot wrote:
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
> Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
I'm thinking of shortening the fuselage and making it into my very own casket.
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
> Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
Peter von Tresckow
Feb 21, 2013, 10:47:20 a.m.2013-02-21
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all that EASA crap in the old country this stuff once approved by one body
would be accepted by the other???
Peter
Tony
Feb 21, 2013, 11:00:49 a.m.2013-02-21
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Wallace Berry
Feb 21, 2013, 12:04:04 p.m.2013-02-21
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Anyone used an L-13 as a starting point for an experimental (glider or
power)?
power)?
son_of_flubber
Feb 21, 2013, 12:44:00 p.m.2013-02-21
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On Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:04:04 PM UTC-5, WB wrote:
> Anyone used an L-13 as a starting point for an experimental (glider or
>
> power)?
There's this
> Anyone used an L-13 as a starting point for an experimental (glider or
>
> power)?
http://tinyurl.com/baptr9c
Vaughn
Feb 21, 2013, 1:02:42 p.m.2013-02-21
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Bob Kuykendall
Feb 21, 2013, 1:13:41 p.m.2013-02-21
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On Feb 21, 1:02 am, Eric Munk <ericm...@zonnet.nl> wrote:
> Do the EASA approved STC and sell it to Europe. Or sit it out until the STC
> gets FAA approval. It will be worth the trouble.
What I'd do is try to sell the glider into an EASA region without
> Do the EASA approved STC and sell it to Europe. Or sit it out until the STC
> gets FAA approval. It will be worth the trouble.
doing the STC. The glider would not command so great a price that way,
but I would not have to bear the risk that the glider would not pass
the inspection prerequisite to the modification, nor the risk that the
glider thus modified would not command a price that covers the cost of
the modification.
In aviation, the risk is often the most expensive thing, sometimes
even more so than labor hours or carbon fiber.
Thanks, Bob K.
Luke Szczepaniak
Feb 21, 2013, 1:44:23 p.m.2013-02-21
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On 02/21/2013 12:04 PM, Wallace Berry wrote:
> Anyone used an L-13 as a starting point for an experimental (glider or
> power)?
>
The factory at one point was building the VIVAT version...
> Anyone used an L-13 as a starting point for an experimental (glider or
> power)?
>
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/type.php?p=739
steph...@lycos.com
Feb 21, 2013, 3:29:29 p.m.2013-02-21
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There is a new factory service bulletin about testing the spar caps of unmodified L-13 Blaniks to ascertain the quality of their metallurgy.
http://www.let.cz/files/file/podpora/bulletiny/L13/116a_L13_en.pdf
I'd say that if your L-13 passes the eddy current test described in the bulletin, all hope is not lost yet. The factory seems to continue its investigations.
http://www.let.cz/files/file/podpora/bulletiny/L13/116a_L13_en.pdf
I'd say that if your L-13 passes the eddy current test described in the bulletin, all hope is not lost yet. The factory seems to continue its investigations.
Martin Gregorie
Feb 21, 2013, 4:46:54 p.m.2013-02-21
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hangar-full of assorted L-13s and an Antonov A-15 - in short, a hangar
full of metal aircraft.
--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. | Essex, UK
org |
Nigel Pocock
Feb 21, 2013, 5:43:46 p.m.2013-02-21
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Stick an old motor (harley davidson?) on the front and some R/C gear in it
and flog them to military as drones or targets
and flog them to military as drones or targets
Bill D
Feb 21, 2013, 5:46:17 p.m.2013-02-21
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the material on the L13 Blanik sailplane in operation"
That sounds new and ominous to me.
Boise Pilot
Feb 21, 2013, 11:35:38 p.m.2013-02-21
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On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:23:15 PM UTC-7, ifee...@hotmail.com wrote:
> At around 2000hrs. total time: hold on to it and wait for the AD&C mod to be approved by the FAA (like it has been by many other national airworthiness authorities) or sell it very cheaply to someone in a country where it has already been approved.
>
>
>
> If it's at more than 3000 or 4000 hours already the flying life given by the mod probably wouldn't be economically feasible given the cost versus remaining flying hours.
>
> The last word from the FAA which was obtained by the SSA indicated that it would be a real stretch if the European fix will ever be approved here. To compound the problem it looks like there would be more questions about the rest of the aircraft's life expectancy since the wings that broke were not near the 5,000 hours. Don't think a large number were repaired in Europe according to my inquiries when there last spring.
> At around 2000hrs. total time: hold on to it and wait for the AD&C mod to be approved by the FAA (like it has been by many other national airworthiness authorities) or sell it very cheaply to someone in a country where it has already been approved.
>
>
>
> If it's at more than 3000 or 4000 hours already the flying life given by the mod probably wouldn't be economically feasible given the cost versus remaining flying hours.
>
ultr...@gmail.com
Apr 27, 2013, 7:54:32 a.m.2013-04-27
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ultr...@gmail.com
Apr 27, 2013, 7:58:05 a.m.2013-04-27
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On Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:28:29 AM UTC+10, Boise Pilot wrote:
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
> Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
I'm modifying one to a motorised configuration - but AFTER incorporating the life extension STC modification
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
> Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
Dan Marotta
Apr 27, 2013, 11:23:02 a.m.2013-04-27
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The Southwest Soaring Museum in Moriarty, NM, USA will be putting an HP-11
on top of a pole any day now. It will be free to rotate into the wind.
Maybe you *can* still use that L-13 for a similar project, though hopefully,
it can be restored to flight.
<ultr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:344ce14e-fa49-4c08...@googlegroups.com...
on top of a pole any day now. It will be free to rotate into the wind.
Maybe you *can* still use that L-13 for a similar project, though hopefully,
it can be restored to flight.
<ultr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:344ce14e-fa49-4c08...@googlegroups.com...
Bill D
Apr 27, 2013, 11:31:08 a.m.2013-04-27
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Peter Higgs
Apr 27, 2013, 4:05:29 p.m.2013-04-27
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>> > Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic
>?
If you have three of them, you could make two wind turbines... One that
rotates clockwise, and the other that would rotate anti-clockwise.
Should be good for a few kilowatt, in a stiff breeze.
son_of_flubber
Apr 27, 2013, 7:38:54 p.m.2013-04-27
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You would only need two gliders I think. Nothing wrong with a two bladed windmill is there?
Terry McKinley
Apr 28, 2013, 2:26:15 p.m.2013-04-28
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real shame they just were not worth the £12000 cost of repair each
GM
Apr 28, 2013, 4:38:50 p.m.2013-04-28
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> Nothing wrong with a two bladed windmill is there? <
For low powered wind turbine generators, two bladed types are still used. For taller towers and higher outputs, three bladed ones are the state of the art. One has to watch for the cyclic changes in loads (once per rev.) between the blades in the vertical (= high load) and horizontal (= lower load) position. This can excite the tower and fatigue the structure, which is never a good thing.
Uli
JetAerospace
Jun 16, 2013, 5:13:01 p.m.2013-06-16
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I'm interested in the forward fuselage. I do a lot of experimental airframe design and ergonomics it difficult to get right sometimes. Everything from the wing forward would be really nice to have. The full canopy, flight controls, seats... That is all great stuff for reference. I might even be able to reuse the sticks and a few other little cockpit bits....
How much are you hopping to get? Where is it located?
Michael
Central California
How much are you hopping to get? Where is it located?
Michael
Central California
kill...@gmail.com
Jul 16, 2013, 1:13:33 a.m.2013-07-16
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On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:28:29 PM UTC-8, Boise Pilot wrote:
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
> Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
> Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
>
I would like to make a land yacht out of a Blanik, using the wings instead of a sail to generate propulsion. Please contact me if you know of a derelict Blanik that I could obtain for this purpose. best regards, Niels in Corvallis, Ore.
Frank Whiteley
Jul 16, 2013, 4:16:05 p.m.2013-07-16
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Frank Whiteley
son_of_flubber
Jul 16, 2013, 8:08:24 p.m.2013-07-16
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On Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:13:33 AM UTC-4, kill...@gmail.com wrote:
> I would like to make a land yacht out of a Blanik, using the wings instead of a sail to generate propulsion. Please contact me if you know of a derelict Blanik that I could obtain for this purpose. best regards, Niels in Corvallis, Ore.
This sounds like a great project, please report back on your progress and post on youtube. A friend who soars also has an ice boat which I imagine would be similar to your prairie schooner.
> I would like to make a land yacht out of a Blanik, using the wings instead of a sail to generate propulsion. Please contact me if you know of a derelict Blanik that I could obtain for this purpose. best regards, Niels in Corvallis, Ore.
gordo...@gmail.com
Dec 12, 2016, 5:57:51 a.m.2016-12-12
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L 13 Blanik wanted
Guys, if you have a L-13 Blanik that cannot fly because of the AD, and want to sell it, please send me email at gao@ gao . name. I wish to buy one for display.
Guys, if you have a L-13 Blanik that cannot fly because of the AD, and want to sell it, please send me email at gao@ gao . name. I wish to buy one for display.
Duster
Dec 12, 2016, 9:33:21 a.m.2016-12-12
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On Monday, December 12, 2016 at 4:57:51 AM UTC-6, gordo...@gmail.com wrote:
> L 13 Blanik wanted
>
> Guys, if you have a L-13 Blanik that cannot fly because of the AD, and want to sell it, please send me email at gao@ gao . name. I wish to buy one for display.
Yea, sure...bah humbug to you..better yet, they should go to this link to get theirs resuscitated! Good chance these Blaniks will get new life.
> L 13 Blanik wanted
>
> Guys, if you have a L-13 Blanik that cannot fly because of the AD, and want to sell it, please send me email at gao@ gao . name. I wish to buy one for display.
http://www.blanik.aero/customer-support
son_of_flubber
Dec 12, 2016, 6:27:42 p.m.2016-12-12
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A Slovenian friend told me yesterday that a lot of the European L-13s were sold to Russia cheap (+/- $US 4000), and that they're being flown there without modification. He said that a large part of the motivation to ground them was to boost sales of new gliders.
This is TOTAL HEARSAY of course, and Slovenians have a unique perspective on German influence and actions across a wide array of issues.
I'm interested to see whether any wings fall off the unmodified L-13s that are still flying.
He also said that the one that crashed had been abused and flown overweight.
I've no idea if any of this is true, but it is at least an interesting rumor.
This is TOTAL HEARSAY of course, and Slovenians have a unique perspective on German influence and actions across a wide array of issues.
I'm interested to see whether any wings fall off the unmodified L-13s that are still flying.
He also said that the one that crashed had been abused and flown overweight.
I've no idea if any of this is true, but it is at least an interesting rumor.
Charles Longley
Feb 5, 2017, 7:35:04 a.m.2017-02-05
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I had a long talk with Boise Pilot last night mostly about buying the 1-35 on Wings and Wheels. The conversation moved to his L-13 which piqued my interest. I am associated with an aerospace engineering company that specializes in serious sheet metal projects. The one picture I've seen of the factory mod looks relatively straightforward. I am trying to gauge how many L-13's are left in the US. And how much interest there is in resurrecting them.
Duster
Feb 5, 2017, 9:20:59 a.m.2017-02-05
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FAA registry shows there are over 100 L13's registered, but that's probably a conservative number. Has the FAA come out with the final AMOC?
For a video of the factory solution for those grounded
http://home.nwi.net/%7Eblanikam/ba/news.htm
For a video of the factory solution for those grounded
http://home.nwi.net/%7Eblanikam/ba/news.htm
Frank Whiteley
Feb 5, 2017, 11:59:38 a.m.2017-02-05
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On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 5:35:04 AM UTC-7, Charles Longley wrote:
> I had a long talk with Boise Pilot last night mostly about buying the 1-35 on Wings and Wheels. The conversation moved to his L-13 which piqued my interest. I am associated with an aerospace engineering company that specializes in serious sheet metal projects. The one picture I've seen of the factory mod looks relatively straightforward. I am trying to gauge how many L-13's are left in the US. And how much interest there is in resurrecting them.
Been a while since I looked at the issue. Before the FAA started requiring renewals there were about 190 on the FAA registry. However, a few people, clubs had multiple airframes for parts. A local L-13, before repainting, had three N-numbers showing on various locations. I'm sure several are similar, sporting wings and things from other airframes. That could be a potential issue in returning some to service. However many are still on the registry, my guessimate at the time of grounding was that about 90 were in serviceable condition. 2-3 people had just restored/repaired examples and were ready to return to service. Several had only a few hundred hours. At the prospect of recovering 2000 or more hours of service life at a reasonably recoverable cost might be of interest to a few.
> I had a long talk with Boise Pilot last night mostly about buying the 1-35 on Wings and Wheels. The conversation moved to his L-13 which piqued my interest. I am associated with an aerospace engineering company that specializes in serious sheet metal projects. The one picture I've seen of the factory mod looks relatively straightforward. I am trying to gauge how many L-13's are left in the US. And how much interest there is in resurrecting them.
Frank Whiteley
Bruce Hoult
Feb 5, 2017, 2:52:04 p.m.2017-02-05
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Duster
Feb 11, 2017, 12:30:57 p.m.2017-02-11
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FYI, regarding the possible FAA AMOC: Here is a recent response to an inquiry someone made to the SSA and posted elsewhere. The authors names have been removed, but this is a direct quote:
XXXX,
Ken Sorenson asked me to respond to your inquiry regarding the status of the Blanik L-13.
To date, the FAA has not approved any modification which would allow the Blanik L-13 to return to service in the US. Private (as in unofficial, off-the-record) discussions between the SSA and individuals within the FAA lead us to believe that it is doubtful that the FAA will ever approve one, as they raised concerns that came to light as a result of the fatal accident which resulted in the grounding. Their concerns center around the original basis of structural certification of the aircraft, issues which they raised but which have never been addressed/resolved by the certifying agency.
Having said that, attached is a recent letter (October, 2015) from Blanik Aircraft CZ via Blanik America to the L-13 owners of record. I will note that the FAA has not - as of this writing - approved this modification. As stated in the letter, the modification would extend (not add) the airframe life to 6000 hours. So if your airframe has over 6000 hours, it would not be eligible for modification.
Regards,
XXXX XXXX
XXXX,
Ken Sorenson asked me to respond to your inquiry regarding the status of the Blanik L-13.
To date, the FAA has not approved any modification which would allow the Blanik L-13 to return to service in the US. Private (as in unofficial, off-the-record) discussions between the SSA and individuals within the FAA lead us to believe that it is doubtful that the FAA will ever approve one, as they raised concerns that came to light as a result of the fatal accident which resulted in the grounding. Their concerns center around the original basis of structural certification of the aircraft, issues which they raised but which have never been addressed/resolved by the certifying agency.
Having said that, attached is a recent letter (October, 2015) from Blanik Aircraft CZ via Blanik America to the L-13 owners of record. I will note that the FAA has not - as of this writing - approved this modification. As stated in the letter, the modification would extend (not add) the airframe life to 6000 hours. So if your airframe has over 6000 hours, it would not be eligible for modification.
Regards,
XXXX XXXX
gijo...@gmail.com
Apr 24, 2017, 11:11:56 p.m.2017-04-24
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I'm looking to purchase a Blanik 13 for decoration in my yard
Tim Taylor
Apr 25, 2017, 7:51:43 p.m.2017-04-25
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On Monday, April 24, 2017 at 9:11:56 PM UTC-6, gijo...@gmail.com wrote:
> I'm looking to purchase a Blanik 13 for decoration in my yard
Location would be helpful.
> I'm looking to purchase a Blanik 13 for decoration in my yard
Craig Funston
Apr 25, 2017, 8:04:52 p.m.2017-04-25
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PGS
Apr 26, 2017, 9:16:45 a.m.2017-04-26
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I would assume front yard......
Duster
Apr 27, 2017, 8:57:46 a.m.2017-04-27
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Prison yard, more likely. Didn't the FAA approve a fix for these L13's? I think this is another "let me buy your Blanik for pennies so I can profit from my immorality". Forgive me if I'm wrong.
http://home.nwi.net/~blanikam/ba/news.htm
http://home.nwi.net/~blanikam/ba/news.htm
Boise Pilot
Apr 27, 2017, 10:13:20 a.m.2017-04-27
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No, the FAA has not approved a repair. There is an EASA approval but the last word I got from "those in the know" the license holder was going to approach the FAA to get the approval done. A big part of that approval is that all repair individuals have to be trained by the group having the approval in Europe. The first thought was that interested USA repair personnel would go there to be trained and then the FAA would be approached for approval. Allegedly there were no USA repair shops that jumped on that idea. Supposedly, now the plan is to get FAA approval first and hopefully train USA repair personnel here not in Europe. This is still a work in progress and realistically, the longer it goes the less likely it will happen.
Duster
Apr 27, 2017, 6:26:08 p.m.2017-04-27
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The AMOC (alternative method of compliance) for FAA Project AT00794CE-G may indeed take time to resolve. My intention was to caution US owners of affected L-13's that some people that are offering to purchase these "gate exhibits" on the cheap may in fact be planning on "flipping" these gliders for a huge margin if returned to service via an AMOC, thereby taking advantage of those who may not have received the notice. For example, the two offers posted on RAS, gordo...@gmail.com and gijo...@gmail.com, are suspiciously first-timers here. On the other hand, they could both be quite innocent. I owned an L-13 and sold it in the late 90's but still feel quite bad for the new owner who later had to ground it. It may already be too late for some, unfortunately.
JS
Apr 27, 2017, 7:27:00 p.m.2017-04-27
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On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:26:08 PM UTC-7, Duster wrote:
> The AMOC (alternative method of compliance) for FAA Project AT00794CE-G may indeed take time to resolve. My intention was to caution US owners of affected L-13's that some people that are offering to purchase these "gate exhibits" on the cheap may in fact be planning on "flipping" these gliders for a huge margin if returned to service via an AMOC, thereby taking advantage of those who may not have received the notice. For example, the two offers posted on RAS, gordo...@gmail.com and gijo...@gmail.com, are suspiciously first-timers here. On the other hand, they could both be quite innocent. I owned an L-13 and sold it in the late 90's but still feel quite bad for the new owner who later had to ground it. It may already be too late for some, unfortunately.
"A huge margin" on a Blanik, that's a laugh!
> The AMOC (alternative method of compliance) for FAA Project AT00794CE-G may indeed take time to resolve. My intention was to caution US owners of affected L-13's that some people that are offering to purchase these "gate exhibits" on the cheap may in fact be planning on "flipping" these gliders for a huge margin if returned to service via an AMOC, thereby taking advantage of those who may not have received the notice. For example, the two offers posted on RAS, gordo...@gmail.com and gijo...@gmail.com, are suspiciously first-timers here. On the other hand, they could both be quite innocent. I owned an L-13 and sold it in the late 90's but still feel quite bad for the new owner who later had to ground it. It may already be too late for some, unfortunately.
Jim
Eric Munk
Apr 28, 2017, 1:30:05 p.m.2017-04-28
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At 23:26 27 April 2017, JS wrote:
>On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:26:08 PM UTC-7, Duster wrote:
>> The AMOC (alternative method of compliance) for FAA Project
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>On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 3:26:08 PM UTC-7, Duster wrote:
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>"A huge margin" on a Blanik, that's a laugh!
>Jim
A 6500 euro parts kit excluding several weeks of labour. One done at a
>
>"A huge margin" on a Blanik, that's a laugh!
>Jim
nearby club ended in a bill that was more than the insurance value of the
aircraft. Huge margin, indeed.
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ifee...@hotmail.com
May 6, 2017, 3:35:23 a.m.2017-05-06
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The latest update on the Blanik America site is October 2016 but it seems hopeful:
http://home.nwi.net/~blanikam/ba/news.htm
I live in Canada where the AD&C modification is already approved but the expense of the work coupled with the 5000 hour airframe limit seems to have resulted in few L-13's being made airworthy again. A really nice, very low time L-13 might be an economically viable project though. Personally if I had the time and money to do it I probably would, just as a labor of love. I have a special place in my heart for the L-13, sorely miss flying them and it was a sad day when my club sold our last one. The L-23 we still have is a fine glider but it just doesn't have the same appeal for me.
http://home.nwi.net/~blanikam/ba/news.htm
I live in Canada where the AD&C modification is already approved but the expense of the work coupled with the 5000 hour airframe limit seems to have resulted in few L-13's being made airworthy again. A really nice, very low time L-13 might be an economically viable project though. Personally if I had the time and money to do it I probably would, just as a labor of love. I have a special place in my heart for the L-13, sorely miss flying them and it was a sad day when my club sold our last one. The L-23 we still have is a fine glider but it just doesn't have the same appeal for me.
Frank Whiteley
May 6, 2017, 10:45:49 a.m.2017-05-06
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Frank Whiteley
FNQ Mark
May 6, 2017, 8:05:03 p.m.2017-05-06
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Cheers
Mark
bescota...@303group.net
Apr 6, 2020, 1:07:30 p.m.2020-04-06
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I recall flying Blanik Let 13s in England back in the late 1980s.
I am currently building a Storch and wondered whether anyone knows where anyone might be scrapping a L13 with the push button central boss inspection cover. I need six of the 100 mm diameter type for my wings.
Any suggestions for sources in the Uk would be much appreciated thanks D
I am currently building a Storch and wondered whether anyone knows where anyone might be scrapping a L13 with the push button central boss inspection cover. I need six of the 100 mm diameter type for my wings.
Any suggestions for sources in the Uk would be much appreciated thanks D
Tor Olav Steine
Nov 7, 2020, 4:03:08 p.m.2020-11-07
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onsdag 20. februar 2013 kl. 22:44:56 UTC+1 skrev Matt Herron Jr.:
> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:28:29 PM UTC-8, Boise Pilot wrote:
> > Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
> >
> > Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
> The cockpits would make awesome Condor simulator platforms to promote soaring with the under 24 crowd. once converted, they could be sold to soaring sites for training too. I am a mechanical engineer, so I might be talked into donating some time to this type of project. I live in Menlo Park, CA. I bet most real controls could be hooked up to a gutted joystick...
> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:28:29 PM UTC-8, Boise Pilot wrote:
> > Like about 300 US Blanik L-13 sailplane owners, I have a ship that will probably never fly again. Just trying to find out what other owners are doing with their hangar queens. I know of one where the owners took it apart, separating the aluminum from the steel for sale to metal recyclers. From what I heard, the time and effort involved put their hourly income at about half of the min. wage level.
> >
> > Not many museums want one and tad big for a wind vane. realistic ideas?
>
>
> Anyone else interested?
>
> Matt
Tor Olav Steine
Nov 7, 2020, 4:04:01 p.m.2020-11-07
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onsdag 20. februar 2013 kl. 22:45:05 UTC+1 skrev Bob Kuykendall:
> Probably the most realistic idea I've heard yet is retrofitting L23
> wings to L13s and seeking an STC for the combination. That's probably
> a lot more cost-effective, though a lot less fun, than developing new
> composite wings for L23.
>
> Thanks, Bob K.
Hi, where are you. We need Blanik fuselages for simulators. We are building one now, and we are good at it. Norway.
> Probably the most realistic idea I've heard yet is retrofitting L23
> wings to L13s and seeking an STC for the combination. That's probably
> a lot more cost-effective, though a lot less fun, than developing new
> composite wings for L23.
>
> Thanks, Bob K.
Hi, where are you. We need Blanik fuselages for simulators. We are building one now, and we are good at it. Norway.
Tony
Nov 7, 2020, 6:52:18 p.m.2020-11-07
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Walter Wissmann
Jul 31, 2021, 11:28:12 p.m.2021-07-31
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Hey Frank , I just got a Blank L13 it states in the logbook it got factory new wings in 1997 . I wonder when they started building the improved wings you mentioned . If you ever read this please reply to my e mail uklausing @northwestel.net .
Thanks
Uli
Thanks
Uli
Frank Whiteley
Aug 2, 2021, 1:47:01 a.m.2021-08-02
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On Saturday, July 31, 2021 at 9:28:12 PM UTC-6, Walter Wissmann wrote:
> Hey Frank , I just got a Blank L13 it states in the logbook it got factory new wings in 1997 . I wonder when they started building the improved wings you mentioned . If you ever read this please reply to my e mail uklausing @northwestel.net .
> Thanks
>
> Uli
No idea, hasn't been much since the AMOC was approved.
> Hey Frank , I just got a Blank L13 it states in the logbook it got factory new wings in 1997 . I wonder when they started building the improved wings you mentioned . If you ever read this please reply to my e mail uklausing @northwestel.net .
> Thanks
>
> Uli
Don't know if your L-13 was redesignated as an L-13A1 as a result of the new wings.
http://www.aviationbanter.com/showthread.php?p=763842
Looks like GFA allowed L13A1 compliance. Not sure about EASA.
https://sites.google.com/site/blanikspar/home#L13A1
Maybe contact Vitek or the factory.
Frank
Walter Wissmann
Sep 7, 2021, 12:56:50 a.m.2021-09-07
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Walter Wissmann
May 18, 2022, 2:24:07 a.m.2022-05-18
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On Saturday, 6 May 2017 at 07:45:49 UTC-7, Frank Whiteley wrote:
Walter Wissmann
May 18, 2022, 2:35:55 a.m.2022-05-18
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Walter Wissmann
May 18, 2022, 3:03:55 a.m.2022-05-18
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I have checked my wing according to AI MB No. L13/112a. and I have the exact rivet pattern like in the reinforced wing .They have steel rivets in the middle row and aluminium rivets in the rows beside.And they are spaced apart just a bit more .The splice extends past the but rib also. I compared it with the other L13 I also got last year and they indeed look like in the option 1 in the Ad .Rivets are closer together and all aluminum The reinforced version looks also exactly like in the L23. So I am hopeful I will get that L13 back in the air. The wings got built factory new in 1996 . EASA AD No.: 2011-0135R2. says under Required Action.
(2) After 20 July 2011 [the effective date of this AD at original issue], inspect the sailplane to determine whether the wing structure is in conformity to the L-13 A Blaník design specification, or in conformity to the L-13 Blaník ‘reinforced’ design specification, in accordance with the instructions of AI MB No. L13/112a.
and under (4) If, as a result of the inspection required by paragraph (2) of this AD, conformity is demonstrated, accomplish all the additional actions specified in paragraphs (4.1), (4.2) and (4.3) of this AD. Only after all actions have successfully been accomplished, flights can be resumed.
The remaining actions require just counting the hours for double seatet flying ,winch and aerobatics
from the log book
4.1
Table 1 - Maximum Limits
Type of Operations
aerobatic Flights 100 FH
Winch launches. 25 000 WL
Dual Flights. 2 500 FH
(4.2)
Inspect the areas of wing skin joints (ribs No. 7 and 13 of the wing) for cracks at ribs and stringers in accordance with the instructions of AI MB No L13/108a. In case a failed stringer or rib is detected, accomplish a repair in accordance with the instructions of AI Information Bulletin (IB) No L13/107b.
(4.3)
Amend the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) as follows: All aerobatics manoeuvres, e.g. Roll (Výkrut), Loop (přemet), Stalled turn (souvrat), Immelmann turn (překrut), Half roll (zvrat) and Inverted flight (let na zádech) are prohibited. This can be accomplished by inserting a copy of this AD into the AFM and invalidating the following “aerobatics” chapter of the AFM, as applicable:
(2) After 20 July 2011 [the effective date of this AD at original issue], inspect the sailplane to determine whether the wing structure is in conformity to the L-13 A Blaník design specification, or in conformity to the L-13 Blaník ‘reinforced’ design specification, in accordance with the instructions of AI MB No. L13/112a.
and under (4) If, as a result of the inspection required by paragraph (2) of this AD, conformity is demonstrated, accomplish all the additional actions specified in paragraphs (4.1), (4.2) and (4.3) of this AD. Only after all actions have successfully been accomplished, flights can be resumed.
The remaining actions require just counting the hours for double seatet flying ,winch and aerobatics
from the log book
4.1
Table 1 - Maximum Limits
Type of Operations
aerobatic Flights 100 FH
Winch launches. 25 000 WL
Dual Flights. 2 500 FH
(4.2)
Inspect the areas of wing skin joints (ribs No. 7 and 13 of the wing) for cracks at ribs and stringers in accordance with the instructions of AI MB No L13/108a. In case a failed stringer or rib is detected, accomplish a repair in accordance with the instructions of AI Information Bulletin (IB) No L13/107b.
(4.3)
Amend the Aircraft Flight Manual (AFM) as follows: All aerobatics manoeuvres, e.g. Roll (Výkrut), Loop (přemet), Stalled turn (souvrat), Immelmann turn (překrut), Half roll (zvrat) and Inverted flight (let na zádech) are prohibited. This can be accomplished by inserting a copy of this AD into the AFM and invalidating the following “aerobatics” chapter of the AFM, as applicable:
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