Wax Type Recomendation
Terry Edmonds
like to know what most people are using for wax on gelcoat finishes. No
doubt this topic has been tossed around on this list before so my
apologies for bringing up an old subject..
My glider is a 14 year old DG. The manual specifies a technique called
"Schwabbel" for finish protection. It is described as using a power
rotary polisher with a bar of hard wax. The wax is applied to the
spinning pad to melt it. They do not specify the wax type.
My questions are:
1. Is the Schwabbel technique typically used today?
2. What wax type is popular and sources in the USA?
Thanks in advance for info.
Terry Edmonds
Delta-Mike
which is apparently bad for the gelcote. I'm afraid that's all the info I
can give you.
Happy Holidays!
"Terry Edmonds" <tedm...@icaen.uiowa.edu> wrote in message
news:385EA9F0...@icaen.uiowa.edu...
Birger Bulukin
to use so much pressure that the surface is heated; it may damage (melt)
the distance material (Conticell) underneath, creating nasty depressions.
--
Birger W. Bulukin
Terry Edmonds <tedm...@icaen.uiowa.edu> wrote in article
<385EA9F0...@icaen.uiowa.edu>...
ire...@hever.co.il
Use low speed so as not to overheat the gelcoat.
I have been using hard wax sticks sold by Tom Knauff (keystone
gliderport) for years with excellent results.
Dan Goldman
In article <385EA9F0...@icaen.uiowa.edu>,
Terry Edmonds <tedm...@icaen.uiowa.edu> wrote:
> I purchased my first glider this year with a gelcoat finish. I would
> like to know what most people are using for wax on gelcoat finishes.
No
> doubt this topic has been tossed around on this list before so my
> apologies for bringing up an old subject..
> My glider is a 14 year old DG. The manual specifies a technique
called
> "Schwabbel" for finish protection. It is described as using a power
> rotary polisher with a bar of hard wax. The wax is applied to the
> spinning pad to melt it. They do not specify the wax type.
> My questions are:
> 1. Is the Schwabbel technique typically used today?
> 2. What wax type is popular and sources in the USA?
> Thanks in advance for info.
>
> Terry Edmonds
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
B Lacovara
paraffin and carbuba waxes, which are fine for polishing. However, hard wax
offers *NO* UV protection. 2) Hard wax is literally 1890's furniture
technology. There are far better waxes and surface treatments for gel coat
based on modern chemistry. 3) Hard wax is difficult and time consuming to
apply and has no benefit over easliy applied more advanced waxes. 4) The
continued use of hardwax is a throw-back the traditional "that's the way my
grandfather polished his glider, and if it was good enough for him......"
The newer products are superior in every way.
Bob
John Cochrane
> There are a couple of points to understand about hard wax.
...
> The newer products are superior in every way.
What specific "new products" do you (Bob) recommend?
John Cochrane
Donald Ingraham
>
> B Lacovara wrote:
<snip>
And do you (Bob) have an opinion of either of these?
1) WX Block - What's the "protective ingredient" in this one anyway?
2) Mother's Gold Pure Carnuba Wax - original formula
Thanks!
Don
Jeff Morgan
Someone at the office hearing of my new plane and having the best of
intentions recommended the wax he uses on his BMW: Zymol. Basically, they
have several blended caranuba waxes. So, I went to their website and sent
them an email asking about silicone and polymer content. They claim none.
And, they have a product specifically for aircraft, AGL.
Has anyone else heard of this? It sounded interesting, but I don't think
I'll be offering up my ship for the first trail in the soaring community
...
--
Jeff Morgan
email: substitute mindspring for nospam
Billevelyn
I use it all the time on my cars and glider.
Bill Evelyn LS3A, WLE
Shaber CJ
>
>I use it all the time on my cars and glider.
>
I use NuFinish also.Comsumer reports rated it the best wax.
John M. Morgan
Shaber CJ <shab...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991222094703...@ng-fd1.aol.com...
> >What about Nu Finish?
> >
> >I use it all the time on my cars and glider.
> >
>
> I use NuFinish also.Comsumer reports rated it the best wax.
Been using it for years, ever since Consumer Reports did their testing on a
whole group of waxes and concoctions. They used painted metal test panels
that were left exposed to the weather. Nu-Finish is easy to apply and buff
off and is available at Wal-Mart and elsewhere. I use it on my rag and tube
planes too.
--
John "Bumper" Morgan <bump...@castles.com> S10-VT N50ZZ
To REPLY please remove aviation part of address.
"Eagles & hawks are self launchers."
B Lacovara
what they are worth. This material is the only product which was specifically
designed for gel coat, and is not a "car" wax. It is based on a
polytetrafluroethylene (PTFE) which is a Teflon-like compound. The purpose of
this "base" is to create a low energy inert surface. This compound is then
loaded with UV absorbers at a level of 6-9 times higher than typical waxes. In
the course of formulating the compound we found some ways of enhancing gloss
over that of waxes.
Because the formulation has a particular affinity to the gel coat surface, the
UV absorbers stay in place longer.
If you are interested in the technical paper and supporting data, I'd be happy
to forward this information.
Bob
Jim Husain
way, Bob Lacovara makes it!
Jim
N483SZ
gap...@aol.com
ASW20747
If you make WX/Block WX/Seal why is it so hard to get? I've been calling Tim
@ Wings and Wheels and he has said the stuff is back ordered but he can't get
it in.
Where can you get it?
>
>
>
>
B Lacovara
get it in. Where can you get it?
Wx/Block is a highly specialized product that must be formulated in relatively
large batches for a small market. There is a long lead time in manufacturing
the product. A batch is in progress right now. Wings & Wheels is the exclusive
outlet for the product.
Bob
nimbus4
Raindance will protect your glider. After several years of "weathering"
a complete wet / finish sanding is usually required to make it look
good. NO MATTER what you put on the glider gel coat will dacay slowly.
We have seen gliders over 15 years old that still look good after a
yearly buffing and wax. Wax does not hurt , it protects from moisture.
Silicon has never been a problem repairing damaged gliders.
Keep them dry as possible and under shelter even when in a trailer.
Uv protection is another problem!!!!!!!!!!!
In article <19991223121257...@ng-cl1.aol.com>,
* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
Eric Greenwell
In article <022dacf6...@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>,
hsoaring...@servtech.com.invalid says...
= A yearly "hard Buffing" and Any High quality Auto motive wax such as
= Raindance will protect your glider. After several years of "weathering"
= a complete wet / finish sanding is usually required to make it look
= good. NO MATTER what you put on the glider gel coat will dacay slowly.
= We have seen gliders over 15 years old that still look good after a
= yearly buffing and wax. Wax does not hurt , it protects from moisture.
= Silicon has never been a problem repairing damaged gliders.
The use of wax containing silicone is specifically prohibited in the
flight manual ("Care of Gelcoat Surface Finish" section) for my
Schleicher ASH 26 E, so it appears we don't have a consensus on
silicone yet.
= Keep them dry as possible and under shelter even when in a trailer.
= Uv protection is another problem!!!!!!!!!!!
Schleicher definitely agrees with this!
--
>>Delete the "REMOVE" from my e-mail address to reply by e-mail<<
Eric Greenwell
David Kinsell
"Eric Greenwell" <REMOVEeg...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.12e66855a...@news.prodigy.net...
>
> In article <022dacf6...@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>,
> hsoaring...@servtech.com.invalid says...
> = A yearly "hard Buffing" and Any High quality Auto motive wax such as
> = Raindance will protect your glider. After several years of "weathering"
> = a complete wet / finish sanding is usually required to make it look
> = good. NO MATTER what you put on the glider gel coat will dacay slowly.
> = We have seen gliders over 15 years old that still look good after a
> = yearly buffing and wax. Wax does not hurt , it protects from moisture.
> = Silicon has never been a problem repairing damaged gliders.
>
> The use of wax containing silicone is specifically prohibited in the
> flight manual ("Care of Gelcoat Surface Finish" section) for my
> Schleicher ASH 26 E, so it appears we don't have a consensus on
> silicone yet.
People who use silicone car waxes on their gliders seem to have
quite a need to prove to themselves that this is a great thing to do,
so I don't think there's ever going to be a consensus on the issue.
Komet says it's OK to use car wax, but make sure it doesn't contain
silicone. Strange how some people take better care of their trailers
than others take care of their gliders.
> = Keep them dry as possible and under shelter even when in a trailer.
> = Uv protection is another problem!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Schleicher definitely agrees with this!
Wx Block and Seal is far superior to car wax in providing UV protection.
Perhaps a better protection system would obviate the need for nimbus4
to sand down his wings every few years? I certainly don't do that, and
have very good 17 year-old gelcoat. But, then again, I don't use car wax.
Dave Kinsell