Club Class Gliders

[Dan Marotta]

Thinking of crewing with a friend in the upcoming Club Class contest at
Moriarty.  He's asked me to help him find a Club Class glider to beg,
borrow, rent, or steal and I don't know what gliders are acceptable for
that class.  I would think such gliders as the Libelle, PW-4, LS-4,
Mosquito, etc. would fit the bill, but I couldn't find a list of the
acceptable gliders.

Could anybody provide a list or a source to check out?

--
Dan
5J

[R]

Here you go.....a little dated but....
scroll down to Club Class glider list.

> https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/sc3ah_2018a.pdf

H

[R]

LS-8, Discus2b also.
R

[Hank Nixon]

The SSA handicap list includes attributes applicable to each listed glider. Any glider with a C attribute is usable in the US Club Class. Simply described they are 15M span gliders with a handicap of .98(Std Libelle) to around .89(LS-6).
UH

[Dan Marotta]

Thanks!  I sent the document to my friend. Amazing what is included in
that list!

Dan
5J

On 1/24/22 3:51 PM, R wrote:
> LS-8, Discus2b also.
> R

[R]

Dan,
Nixon method is better. I failed to remember where the Club ships were listed.
Sailplane Racing
Other Resources
Sports Class Handicaps

Letter C under notes = Club Class

Notes key is at bottom of handicap list.

R

[Steve Leonard]

Hank,

Would you like to clarify a bit, please? The Std Libelle is 1.02. The Club Libelle is 1.06 and also has the "C" designation. Highest performing (lowest US Handicap number) with the "C" is the LS6C 15 meter at .898.

So, what is the lower limit on performance? I see the Phoebus A and B at 1.025 and 1.045, but no "C" designation. Again, the Club Libelle at 1.06 has the "C"

Also, 15 meter is the max span. You can go shorter span, if you can get the performance in range. There is one 13 meter with a 1.0 HC that has the "C" designation. Silent 2A. And the MiniLak at 13.5 meter span and .958 HC.

Then there is the "no motors" limit. Except currently for the DG-400-15 and various DG800 motorgliders in 15 meter tips. And some 15 meter Schemp-Hirth Turbo gliders.

But, not a DG-800S with 15 meter tips, even though it is in the handicap range. And the HP-24.

Yes, the list needs a little combing, like a former President's hair after being out in a windstorm. I have offered to provide the information in the past. Give me the HC range and limitations, and I will be happy to correct the spreadsheet. I will also move for deletion of some things, like the 17 Meter Sagitta (sadly, now destroyed), the Diamant 22 (concept of, I think, Danny Pierson but never built) BS1b (concept never built). There are more. My favorite is the ASW-17 in 15 meter trim. Man, to have had one of those at Mifflin a few years back when the tasks turned out to be nothing but high speed ridge running on otherwise iffy days!

Steve Leonard

[Hank Nixon]

There may be ships that could fly in Club but are not listed simply because they are outside the specified range. The 3 ships you mentioned could fly in Club but they don't get handicap adjusted beyond 1.02. The current rules do not preclude ships with motors.
I was replying from memory re the low numerical limit. The end of the range is the LS-6 which was chosen to allow ASW-20, first generation Ventus variants, and LS-6.
The handicap list gets tuned as we find stuff that needs fixing. That generally does not mean whining about handicaps. In 20 years or so I have yet o get a message that says "my handicap is too favorable"
UH

[youngbl...@gmail.com]

What is the handicap on the ASW24? Old Bob, The Purist

[R]

24B.......TO Weight...788...... .935
Handicap is adjusted down as weight goes up.
Find complete list on website (see post above).
R

[Dan Marotta]

Imagine that, the mighty LS-6 in the club class! Mine was flown to
victory in the 1985 World Championships (not me) and two successive
owners crashed it.  One fatally.  It was rebuilt after both crashes and
someone on this list now owns it.  I would love to see it back in the
air, Steve.  I might even travel to Kansas if offered the chance to fly
it once more! 😂

Dan
5J

[Charles Longley]

Hey my ASW-20 is eligible. I am in!

Charlie

[daniel...@gmail.com]

Hank,

There is no span limit specified in the FAI rules and the 16m Standard Cirrus B is specifically allowed on the FAI list. Of the compromises that we allow to maximize participation (ie: gliders with motors, including Standard Class(!) gliders), it is odd that we impose a span limitation.

All the best,
Daniel

(PS: Let the Kestrel fly!)

[cschra...@gmail.com]

Hank and RC,

I second Daniel's comment (see above). Please let the Cirrus (17.7m) fly in Club Class. The performance falls right in line with this racing class and is less than a flapped ASW20 (allowed under FAI rules) or Discus2b (allowed under US Rules Only). The cost of entry into a Cirrus is ~$15-18k... it's perfectly matched with other Club Class ships. There are a lot of other cogent arguments in favor of allowing the Cirrus or Kestrel in this Class and I'd site Philip Chidekel's previous comments to the Contest RC re: additions of the Kestrel and Cirrus to Club Class as they're exhaustive, reasoned, and well thought out.

Respectfully,
Chris Schrader

Note: In full disclosure, and for all readers to see, I fly a club owned Open Cirrus (N77CN) and would someday, sooner rather than later, like to fly in the Club Class Nationals as a Contestant and not just as a Guest.

[Christopher Gough]

Here is a filtered list of the Club Class gliders from the SSA handicap list

Manufacturer Model Notes Span Weight Handicap
AB Sportine Aviacija MiniLAK WC 13.5 615 0.958
Alisport Silent 2A WRC 13.3 660 1
Applebay Zuni C 15 890 0.955
Applebay Zuni II C 15 790 0.95
ASC Falcon-15 C 15 845 0.908
ASC Spirit SC 15 775 0.942
Berkshire Concept-70 SC 15 830 1.015
Centrair 101 Pegase D SC 15 840 0.955
Centrair ASW-20F C 15 838 0.913
Centrair Pegasus 101A SC 15 829 0.955
Centrair Pegasus 101AP SWC 15 837 0.965
Centrair Pegasus 101B SC 15 840 0.955
Centrair Pegasus 101BP SWC 15 848 0.965
Champion Freedom Falcon MC 12.8 780 1.55
DG Flugzeugbau DG-100 SC 15 772 0.99
DG Flugzeugbau DG-100 Club SFC 15 768 1.01
DG Flugzeugbau DG-101 Club SFC 15 768 1.01
DG Flugzeugbau DG-101G SC 15 780 0.99
DG Flugzeugbau DG-200-15 C 15 812 0.94
DG Flugzeugbau DG-202-15 C 15 812 0.94
DG Flugzeugbau DG-300 SC 15 794 0.95
DG Flugzeugbau DG-300 Club SFC 15 821 0.96
DG Flugzeugbau DG-303 SC 15 805 0.94
DG Flugzeugbau DG-400-15 MC 15 970 0.94
DG Flugzeugbau DG-600-15 WC 15 782 0.92
DG Flugzeugbau DG-800A-15 MWC 15 993 0.878
DG Flugzeugbau DG-800B-15 MWC 15 993 0.878
DG Flugzeugbau DG-808B-15 MWC 15 993 0.878
DG Flugzeugbau DG-808C-15 MWC 15 993 0.878
Eiri Avion PIK-20 C 15 768 0.95
Eiri Avion PIK-20B C 15 780 0.95
Eiri Avion PIK-20D C 15 768 0.95
Eiri Avion PIK-20D-78 C 15 750 0.95
Eiri Avion PIK-20E MC 15 964 0.95
Flug and Fahrzeugwerke Diamant-15 C 15 867 0.98
Glasflugel 205 Club Libelle FC 15 710 1.06
Glasflugel 206 Hornet SC 15 765 0.99
Glasflugel 303 Mosquito C 15 801 0.94
Glasflugel 304 C 15 786 0.937
Glasflugel H-201 Standard Libelle SC 15 675 1.02
Glasflugel H-301 Libelle C 15 662 0.983
Glasflugel H-301 Schuemann Libelle C 15 662 0.945
Grob G-104 Speed Astir II C 15 849 0.95
Grob G-104 Speed Astir IIB C 15 849 0.95
Group Genesis Genesis II SC 15 825 0.96
HPH 304C SWC 15 758 0.96
HPH 304CZ WC 15 768 0.937
Issoire Edelweiss C-30S SC 15 830 1.038
Laister LP-15 Nugget SC 15 713 1.01
Laister LP-15B Nugget SC 15 713 1.01
Marske Pioneer 3 SC 15 580 0.96
Neukom Elfe S-4 SC 15 750 1.01
PZL Bielsko SZD-41A Jantar Standard SC 15 848 1
PZL Bielsko SZD-48-2 Jantar Std 2 SC 15 858 0.99
PZL Bielsko SZD-48-3 Jantar Std 3 SC 15 858 0.99
PZL Bielsko SZD-55-1 SC 15 760 0.941
PZL Bielsko SZD-59 Standard SC 15 846 0.99
Rolladen-Schneider LS-1B SC 15 752 1.019
Rolladen-Schneider LS-1C SC 15 752 1.019
Rolladen-Schneider LS-1D SC 15 752 1.019
Rolladen-Schneider LS-1F SC 15 772 0.995
Rolladen-Schneider LS-3-15 C 15 845 0.937
Rolladen-Schneider LS-3A C 15 830 0.94
Rolladen-Schneider LS-4 SC 15 780 0.95
Rolladen-Schneider LS-4A SC 15 780 0.95
Rolladen-Schneider LS-4B SC 15 820 0.942
Rolladen-Schneider LS-6 C 15 816 0.899
Rolladen-Schneider LS-6C-15 C 15 838 0.898
Rolladen-Schneider LS-7 SWC 15 785 0.94
Rolladen-Schneider LS-8-15 SWC 15 820 0.915
Rolladen-Schneider LS-8T-15 MSWC 15 930 0.905
Schempp-Hirth Discus 2a SC 15 780 0.915
Schempp-Hirth Discus 2aW SWC 15 790 0.915
Schempp-Hirth Discus 2b SC 15 790 0.915
Schempp-Hirth Discus 2bW SWC 15 800 0.915
Schempp-Hirth Discus 2c-15 SWC 15 836 0.91
Schempp-Hirth Discus 2cT-15 MWC 15 946 0.9
Schempp-Hirth Discus a SC 15 760 0.935
Schempp-Hirth Discus b SC 15 790 0.93
Schempp-Hirth Discus bm MSC 15 978 0.925
Schempp-Hirth Discus bT MSC 15 940 0.925
Schempp-Hirth Discus cs SC 15 790 0.93
Schempp-Hirth Mini-Nimbus a C 15 780 0.94
Schempp-Hirth Mini-Nimbus b C 15 780 0.94
Schempp-Hirth Mini-Nimbus c C 15 768 0.943
Schempp-Hirth Standard Cirrus SC 15 744 1
Schempp-Hirth Std Cirrus 75 SC 15 744 0.995
Schempp-Hirth Std Cirrus 76 SC 15 744 0.995
Schempp-Hirth Ventus a-15 C 15 780 0.9
Schempp-Hirth Ventus b-15 C 15 810 0.899
Schempp-Hirth Ventus ca-15 C 15 780 0.9
Schempp-Hirth Ventus cb-15 C 15 810 0.899
Schleicher ASW-15 SC 15 770 1
Schleicher ASW-15B SC 15 770 1
Schleicher ASW-17-15 C 15 1135 0.98
Schleicher ASW-19 SC 15 800 0.97
Schleicher ASW-19B SC 15 800 0.97
Schleicher ASW-20 C 15 830 0.913
Schleicher ASW-20B-15 C 15 880 0.91
Schleicher ASW-20C-15 C 15 850 0.912
Schleicher ASW-24 SC 15 772 0.94
Schleicher ASW-24 Prototype SC 15 888 0.94
Schleicher ASW-24B SWC 15 788 0.935
Schleicher ASW-24E MSWC 15 870 0.918
Schleicher ASW-28 SWC 15 790 0.915
Schreder HP-18 C 15 745 0.99
Schreder HP-18 Modified WC 15 825 0.93
Schreder HP-18A C 15 745 0.99
Schweizer SGS 1-35 RC 15 660 1.013
Schweizer SGS 1-35A RC 15 840 0.975
Slingsby T-65 Vega C 15 790 0.94

[Dan Marotta]

Thanks!

A MiniLak or a Mosquito would sure be nice as I know they are both
excellent fliers.  Oh, for an LS-6...

Dan
5J

[howard...@gmail.com]

A good 20B would be hard to beat if the soaring is halfway 0E0 standard.