Software for glider pilots running on Ipad
nimbus
I am glider pilot and looking for a good navigation software running
on Ipad.
What would you propose?
Many thanks,
Bruno
Guy Byars
I propose you find something other than the Ipad to run your naviation
software on. The iPad screen has very poor sunlight readability. It
is too large to comfortably mount in a standard glider cockpit. Its
GPS if finicky and unreliable.... need I go on.
I have an iPad and love it, but it is worthless in a cockpit
enviornment.
Sean Fidler
Jim
My Ipad has been rock solid reliable.
I've gotten Glide Path, Final Glide, and Track Log from the app
store, hope to get some experience with them as the season starts I
also use WxRadar.
My Garmin 396 in the Super Cub doesn't have a private airport
database, the Ipad came in handy last month when looking for an
private airport that I hadn't been to in a while. I used skycharts
pro, it was much easier than digging for and folding a paper sectional
from the seatback pocket, it also has airport facility directory
information.
There's an interesting soaring program on the German app store if you
can read the language.
There are a lot of cool non soaring apps for the ipad. The Android
tablet doesn't have a lot of software available to use when not
soaring.
The Ipad has replaced my laptop at work.
Jim
Andy
> My Garmin 396 in the Super Cub doesn't have a private airport
> database, the Ipad came in handy last month when looking for an
> private airport that I hadn't been to in a while.
Jim,
It's not difficult to add a private airport database to the 396. I
have all the AZ glider turnpoints included in mine and they are color
coded as to being landable or not.
Andy
Darryl Ramm
I agree the iPad is not really the most ideal flight computer type
device for a glider cockpit, but I look at it as a nice pre and post
flight platform that is a lot easier to carry and has better battery
life than many laptops (a 17" iMac in my case which quickly gets
unwieldy). But I don't think the iPad is necessarily entirely
worthless in a cockpit, it may be possible to stuff away in the
cockpit and use as a reference source or suitable for the touring
motorglider pilot's overnight bag, etc.
My biggest wish for the iPad is a fairly feature rich iPad version of
SeeYou (i.e. the pre-post flight analysis software not SeeYou Mobile)
-- Andrej please get on this asap! There are still some issues with
connectivity (e.g. downloading flight traces from flight recorders
etc.) but I expect those to be solved over time. The "Glide Path" app
is interesting but won't help me on OLC since I need an ENL capable
flight recorder for my motorglider and really want a serial cable or
SD card solution for accessing IGC flight logs.
I'm waiting for my iPad 2 to arrive and so thinking about soaring/
aviation related apps. Luckily I have most I want already purchased on
my iPhone. So here is my list (in no particular order), I'm interested
in suggestions of other apps that people like...
Safari - Dr. Jack NAM/RUC forecasts, standard FAA/NWS/NOAA forecasts,
Wunderground, etc.
iRASP viewer -- http://www.darryl-ramm.com/iRASP my very simple iPhone
viewer which I'll eventually update for the larger iPad screen and
cache images for inflight referral).
SPOT shared page (for SPOT tracking others) - The SPOT websites does
not work great on an iPad and it would be great to have a version of
"SPOT shared page" tailored to the larger screen.
Skycharts Pro
Aeroweather Pro
AOPA Airports (an iPad specific version would be nice)
Maps
Google Earth
Other general purpose apps also make the iPad very handy when at the
gliderport or on the road...
Email
Flikr (upload photos etc.)
Friendly Facebook
Wordpress (updating blog while on the road)
iTunes (OK so you landed out, you've got something to listen to).
iBooks (PDF user & maintenance manuals for all your toys, avionics,
glider etc.) and that reading material for a landout)
Amazon Kindle (more reading material)
---
Since I already own an XM weather receiver for my Gamin 496 I'm hoping
the recently announced Baron adapter (https://www.baronservices.com/
news_pdf/MobileLink.pdf) for the iOS (and Android) devices will allow
me to connect my current receiver to my iPad. That's maybe just more
appealing to the inner geek, than necessarily practical in a glider.
Darryl
tstock
DUAT is somewhat useful even though it is only an iphone app:
https://www.duat.com/
SkyCharts Pro is pretty useful but not while flying of course
I would not use the ipad for navigation, too big ... I use a Mio car
navigation system (cheap) running LK8000 (free)
Darryl Ramm
Jim
Thanks for the WxRadar pointer I just installed it on my iPhone. Nice,
but a small niggle is it does not seem to do composite high resolution
radar between two adjacent radar sites. Its composite maps only seem
low-resolution or am I missing something?
Was the German iOS soaring software the iGlide software from Butterfly
Avionics? e.g. see the English translation for the high-end iGlide Pro
version here http://goo.gl/UEs90 iGlide is really intended for the
iPhone/iPod Touch - but those screens are pretty small and not as
daylight readable as others (but probalby better than my current iPAQ
4700). The current version will just do the 2x scaling on the iPad. At
least looking at the iTunes store and the Butterfly Website http://goo.gl/ot32h
it looks like there are some nice UI ideas here. I believe Butterfly
intend to bring this software to the USA, and I've talked to some of
their staff to make sure their USA version should work like people
will probably expect - e.g. hopefully they will make it easy to load
the airspace data from http://www.justsoar.com and Lynn Alley's data
on the Soaring Turnpoint Exchange.
There is some silly handwriting software in the USA app store called
iGlide, wonder how Butterfly will deal with that. I wonder if any new
apps will be announced at Aero.
Darryl
Darryl Ramm
> XC Soar (open source) runs phenomenally on driodX (any andriod phone) and the
> Motorola Xoom Tablet. I think apple can run this but I might be wrong.
Just to clarify, XCSoar (or the derivative LK8000) does not run on any
Apple iOS (or Mac OS X) device. It would require the developers port
to this software and that's probalby too much to expect given the
several platforms they are already supporting.
Darryl
Mike Schumann
> XC Soar (open source) runs phenomenally on driodX (any andriod phone) and the Motorola Xoom Tablet. I think apple can run this but I might be wrong. XC Soar is full featured cc sailplane racing software, is entirely free and is being developed and updated nearly every day by a dedicated and passionate team of sailplane pilot developers who believe the sailplane computer market is a bit of a shame and the hardware offered (pdas, oudie) is cheap chinese crap. The software is similar to SeeYou and has alot of great features. Worth a look. Type in cc soar on the android market.
Color. That could be a great low cost ($249) option.
--
Mike Schumann
Darryl Ramm
wrote:
Mike
Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and maybe
3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
Darryl
Jim
> but a small niggle is it does not seem to do composite high resolution
> radar between two adjacent radar sites. Its composite maps only seem
> low-resolution or am I missing something?
There is a national high res map 3400x1600 on the pull down menu. You
can scroll and zoom that map.
I've been using the radar app shortly before push to look at the
departure area mostly for night departures at Maui.
Just need a general idea of how turbulent the climb out will be.
It loads more quickly than the prettier weather channel app.
We have a regional radar viewer on the company computer in the
planning room but not yet on the plane.
> Was the German iOS soaring software the iGlide software from Butterfly
> Avionics?
Yes, was thinking of using an iphone with it if it becomes available.
Glidepath would be for use in a club glider as I too need an engine
noise recorder.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Winpilot is coming up with.
I use DTC Duat before flying the cub or glider to satisfy the cross
country planning requirements.
Will be giving the flight guide IEFB app a try.
Purchased Zoomit but haven’t tried it yet.
Maybe I'm just not hip enough, for navigation I still look out the
window and occasionally use the 303 display on the 302.
The Winpilot on the PDA is mostly for the wind arrow and OLC meter as
I like to try to fly at least 500km.
Mostly what I like about Apple products is that you turn it on and it
works with minimal fuss.
Jim
Jim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUoHALWvPts
Didn’t watch the whole video but it appears to be what you’re looking
for.
Jim
jsbrake
> > 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar Android
> > software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be an
> > official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should make
> > this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>
GPS, how are you thinking of getting the GPS signal? I found that
there's an app called tetherGPS, but that uses an Android smartphone
to transmit over wi-fi to the Nook. Is there a way to feed the GPS
directly into the nook from another GPS source? Could it, somehow, be
connected to a PowerFLARM?
Darryl Ramm
The Color Nook has Bluetooth hardware and enabling that and the
required SPP (serial over Bluetooth) is just a matter of software. If
that support is not in the common Android 2.2 root hack then it _may_
be in the official Android 2.2 update that is supposedly coming to the
Color Nook. Once you have BT SSP support in the operating system the
rest should be easy. And ideally applications that know how to use
this (like XCSoar) should in principle just work. Once you have
Bluetooth you can go out to those low cost Bluetooth GPS receivers or
via a Bluetooth adapter (like the K6-BT) to a PowerFLARM etc. Of
course my hand waving and seeing it all work are two different things.
BTW another nook root hack resource for the color Nook is
http://nookdevs.com/Portal:NookColor
I just ordered a iPad 2 but the inner geek in me is thinking of
getting a Moto Xoom as well since I want to play more with Android.
Darryl
jsbrake
getting a Moto Xoom as well since I want to play more with Android.
My wife loves her iPad 2 (I braved the lines on opening day in
Canada), but I have an aversion the thing. My inner geek wants a
Notion Ink Adam, but in 7" format... however my inner geek is being
beaten up the harsh reality of 1 child in college and 2 more close
behind, plus a wife that loves to spend my sailplane money on
travelling to places where I can't take my sailplane.
Perhaps I can con her into getting me a Nook Color if the BT
connection works to the PowerFLARM.
Mike Schumann
connect the required GPS receiver.
--
Mike Schumann
Darryl Ramm
wrote:
The Color Nook as shipped is USB client only but it apparently has
chipset support for Bluetooth On-The-Go (i.e. client/host switching).
I don't think this is working yet with any of the root hacked Android
versions. But if the BT OTG support is really there then yes this is a
possibility. If its client only then it won't work. Still the first
step now would be for somebody to just try out XCSoar on Android 2.2
on this platform, you don't need a physical GPS to do a test.
Darryl
Victor Newman
Sorry, but I have to laugh at the iPAD fanboys (please forgive me if
you're not one of them). I recently attended a FIRC at which over 20
attendees were playing with their iPADs. During that two days, I
wanted to understand what kind of Aps made these devices worth having.
One guy showed me sectionals that cost him only $80 for an annual
subscription. How much do those old paper sections cost? Another
showed me real time weather maps (which is great if you didn't think
about checking the weather before heading out to the glider port). All
in all, the impression I got was that these "suckers" bought the iPAD,
then tried to justify owning them afterwards.
Now we have a fellow here who first bought an iPAD, and is now looking
for gliding software.
Let the war begin.
vontresc
Actually if you do fly IFR foreflight for the iPad gets you all
sectionals, low alt enroutes, and approach charts for the entire US
for a year, and that's a pretty decent deal. Granted, once the battery
dies you're SOL, but I've flown with a friends iPad with foreflight,
and it was a pretty good app to have in a power plane.
If Andrej at Naviter made a port of see you along with a serial cable
to interface with our ancient PDAs and FRs, I think he'd sell quite a
few copies.
Pete
Victor Newman
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> - Show quoted text -
Good for IFR pilot (I guess) - if visibility in bright light isn't an
issue.
Your comment about See You supports my arguement that gadget happy
people buy iPads, then look for (or hope for) Aps which may actually
be useful.
Jim
> you're not one of them). I recently attended a FIRC at which over 20
> attendees were playing with their iPADs. During that two days, I
> wanted to understand what kind of Aps made these devices worth having.
> One guy showed me sectionals that cost him only $80 for an annual
> subscription. How much do those old paper sections cost?
Folding sectionals in the tight cockpit of a glider is a pain.
> showed me real time weather maps (which is great if you didn't think
> about checking the weather before heading out to the glider port).
Weather is dynamic, having a last minute look at the weather is
Important, especially during monsoon season in the southwestern U.S.
The weather radar map is invaluable.
> in all, the impression I got was that these "suckers" bought the iPAD,
> then tried to justify owning them afterwards.
I mostly use my Ipad for work and for reading books while waiting for
a flight, it's much easier to lug than a laptop and I don't have
to take it out of the bag when going through airport screening. The
soaring apps are a bonus.
Once you spend a day with one, it's hard to imagine how you got along
without one.
Jim
Darryl Ramm
And ~$20 per year for SkyCharts Pro gets you current sections, enroute
high and low, TAF, Airport diagrams/directory, approach plates etc.
either streaming online or you can download with live METAR/TAF (if
you have connectivity). A handy reference also runs on the iPhone. I
know several glider pilots including myself who use SkyCharts or
SkyCharts Pro as handy sectional and airport references even if they
fly with paper charts.
Darryl
Grider Pirate
>
> - Show quoted text -
+1 on SkyCharts. A lot cheaper than the 3-5 sectionals I need every
year, and actually utilizing a sectional in the very small confines of
the Glob cockpit is very interesting, and less than ideal. Skycharts
is the REASON I got an iphone, and I don't regret it.
Oops! Topic creep. I have no iPad experience or interest.
tstock
> On Apr 8, 4:58 am, nimbus <flying.bom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
>
> > I am glider pilot and looking for a good navigation software running
> > on Ipad.
>
> > What would you propose?
>
> > Many thanks,
> > Bruno
>
> Sorry, but I have to laugh at the iPAD fanboys (please forgive me if
> you're not one of them). I recently attended a FIRC at which over 20
> attendees were playing with their iPADs. During that two days, I
> wanted to understand what kind of Aps made these devices worth having.
Computers typically are released before the software so this isnt much
of an argument. As time passes more apps wll be available. Why the
ipad? It runs for days on a single charge, does almost everything
would need a laptop for and you can carry it around like a small pad
of paper. Personally Im happy not to need to lug my laptop around with
me.
The problem is not the device but the cost, which has come down with
the release of the ipad2.. I picked up an ipad 1 for around $300. Oh
and I am using it to type this reply while waiting for an oil
change. :D
tom
Darryl Ramm
Its not just that, he is criticizing something that has over 350,000
iOS applications available for it, and over 10 Billion (with a B)
total iOS app downloads. And the iPad is likely the fastest technology
adoption ever (in terms of consumer units and I suspect total
revenue). Better than the PC, VHS tape, DVD, .... Now its grinding its
way into high-end applications. I'm seeing it in medical settings,
professional pilots, ...
And I agree with Tom, for me it starts with extreme portability and
battery life (and add in mobile data access). Just replacing thousands
of pages of technical documentation with PDFs on the iPad alone
justifies it to me. And I have several other things I do with it, any
one alone would justify the purchase.
Darryl
Mike Schumann
--
Mike Schumann
Bruce Hoult
One of the great mysteries in life is how people get so worked up over
the choices that other people make, that don't actually affect them in
any way.
Darryl Ramm
wrote:
And that is very handy for technical folks but on a mobile device you
need a way to view them, manage them, compress them decompress them,
update them. Stream them dynamically or cache them. Geo reference them
etc. I could not for a second think about a $20 annual cost that gives
me all what SkyCharts Pro does. (and that $20 gives me a license that
works on both my iPhone and iPad. You can get a $10 version that does
a bit less.
Darryl
Jim
Before the Ipad, I carried volumes of company manuals,
aircraft manuals, books, magazines, and
other things made of dead trees, my bag weighed a ton.
Sometimes I even play Angry Birds.
Jim
Darryl Ramm
And airline pilots can take notes them at company meetings where they
discuss equipping everybody EFBs :-)
Darryl
gotovkotzepkoi
All this talk about ipads, software, charts, panels, instruments,
levers, flaps, brakes, trailers, rules, sectionals, ad infinitum makes
me long for my hang glider daze when I flew with zero moving parts and
one instrument; a vario with a little needle that moved up or down.
That's it, for hours. That was real freedom. It's no wonder that young
people find it hard to get revved up about soaring given its myriad of
associated hassles. They are all out on the paragliding/hang gliding
hills.
--
gotovkotzepkoi
Eric Greenwell
I think a hang glider has at least three moving parts: the pilot,
retractable gear, and the glider. I'm not convinced 3 axis control and
spoilers makes a sailplane harder to fly than a hang glider!
The person starting out doesn't see or get involved in this most of this
stuff. They show up at the field, they go flying with an instructor,
they ooh and aah over the private ships and their magnificent pilots,
and dream of doing some of it. The complications are added later, and
slowly, as the pilot progress. It's not dumped on them from day one.
I've talked to former hang glider pilots that moved to sailplanes, and
they've said "it's easier and less hassle to fly sailplanes". Not at the
beginning, perhaps, but once you start cross-country. Both sports are
simple if you hang around the hill or the airport. Nobody needs iPads,
software, trailers, contest rules, sectionals, ad infinitum to fly locally.
We have to dig deeper than discussions of iPads to understand why young
people might choose hang/paragliding over sailplanes. I suspect young
people really LIKE the idea of using an iPad, so I don't see that as
discouraging them.
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation Mar/2004" Much of what
you need to know tinyurl.com/yfs7tnz
Cliff Hilty
t 03:31 09 April 2011, Darryl Ramm wrote:
>On Apr 8, 8:14=A0pm, Mike Schumann
>> On 4/8/2011 7:34 PM, Darryl Ramm wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >>>> Its possible to root hack the Nook now and run Android 2.2 (and
>e
>> >>>> 3.0) on it and should be able to install the current XCSoar
Android
>> >>>> software and see if it works. I believe there is supposed to be
an
>> >>>> official upgrade to Android 2.2 coming for the Nook which should
>e
>> >>>> this easier. Anybody tried XCSoar on the Nook?
>>
>> >> Perhaps a foolish question, but since the Nook Color doesn't have
a
that
>> >> there's an app called tetherGPS, but that uses an Android
smartphone
GPS
>> >> directly into the nook from another GPS source? =A0Could it,
somehow,
>=
No inner geek here, but I did download XCsoar and custom map for my Droid
X which is running 2.2 Android and it seems to run fine. I haven't done
any flying with it yet (I have a SN10 in the glider) because I don't have
any way of mounting or powering it. The droid really eats batteries :)
CH
>
Tuno
I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put it
on your glider this weekend!
tuN7o
toad
There might be a lot of youngsters flying paragliders, but hang
gliders are just as full of old farts as sailplanes. The exact same
conversations we have about how to keep the sport from "aging" has
been heard in the HG forums.
Todd
ex HG pilot
Cliff Hilty
Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I want a small air turbine that will
fit into the scoop vent in the window that would supply charging power to
my batteries. As much 100+ knot flying and outside temps in the 100+ that
we have out here I could have a surplus and never need to charge my
batteries :)
How about it Bumper, Do I see a high tech Quiet Vent 6 out there?
CH
bildan
Better idea: Piezoelectric materials to generate power from wing
flexing or a Faraday device like this: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:M2E_Power
Eric Greenwell
That's a silly idea, because it adds drag and would ruin the L/D;
instead, connect the generator to the rudder pedals. The way I fan my
rudder, that would run a radio, vario, GPS, ClearNav, transponder, MRX,
and more. :^]
--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to
email me)
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Feb/2010" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm
http://tinyurl.com/yb3xywl
Mike Schumann
> On 4/13/2011 8:51 AM, Cliff Hilty wrote:
>> At 23:00 12 April 2011, Tuno wrote:
>>> Cliff:
>>>
>>> I have a ram air turbine you can use to power your Droid. I'll put it
>>> on your glider this weekend!
>>>
>>> tuN7o
>>>
>>
>> Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I want a small air turbine that
>> will
>> fit into the scoop vent in the window that would supply charging power to
>> my batteries. As much 100+ knot flying and outside temps in the 100+ that
>> we have out here I could have a surplus and never need to charge my
>> batteries :)
>>
>> How about it Bumper, Do I see a high tech Quiet Vent 6 out there?
>
> That's a silly idea, because it adds drag and would ruin the L/D;
> instead, connect the generator to the rudder pedals. The way I fan my
> rudder, that would run a radio, vario, GPS, ClearNav, transponder, MRX,
> and more. :^]
>
auxiliary engine!
--
Mike Schumann
Cliff Hilty
Have you guys been watching me fly :) My nickname is salmon!
CH
Tom Stock
BTW, NewsTap is a good usenet reader... I am using it now... it will do
offline reading so to can read and reply even when you dont have a
connection.. just like the old days.
bruce....@gmail.com
Can anyone share some pix on how to attach a tab to the cockpit? Do you make use of a normal cover and just velcro the back to the cockpit or would you suggest making a pocket for it to fit into to keep it safe?
I've recently bought a 7" tab that I wish to use with XCSoar.. don't want it to fall off the cockpit now.. :)
Regards,
Bruce
Peter Scholz
--
Peter Scholz
ASW24 JE
kru...@sbcglobal.net
> Hello,
>
> I am glider pilot and looking for a good navigation software running
> on Ipad.
>
> What would you propose?
>
> Many thanks,
> Bruno
Dan Marotta
It has geard side pieces to adjust to the width of the device and swing out
"feet" to support the device from below. I also use velcro on the back just
to be sure, and it's never come out of the holder.
To attach the holder in the cockpit, I cut off the car mounting base and,
using 2 Adel clamps, attached it to the side of my panel where it is
securely held and does not block any of the instruments. Of course, a 7"
device might block something.
<bruce....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:657730ca-83ac-4f59...@googlegroups.com...
WinPilot
Here are the links to gliding software (WinPilot) that runs on an iPad:
For Europe:
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=539701244&mt=8
For the USA:
https://itunes.apple.com/app/winpilot-for-ipad-2012-western/id540473050?mt=8
https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=643348142&mt=8
The software can run either stand alone (you will need a version of the iPad with a built in gps), or connected to your existing flight computer - you will need a connection module like this one:
http://www.butterfly-avionics.com/butterfly/index.php/en/products/butterfly-apps-en/butterfly-connect-interface-for-apps
If you have a Butterfly vario, WinPilot will connect to it natively, including the Climb Maximizer.
Have fun!
Jerry
winp...@winpilot.com