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Naviter Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator Webinar - Saturday, Feb. 12, 2022
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Paul Remde
Feb 7, 2022, 6:06:32 PM2/7/22
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Naviter Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator Webinar
Saturday, February 12, 2022
10 AM U.S. Central Time (16 UTC)
Host and Presenter: Paul Remde, Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Guest: Andrej Kolar, Naviter
Host and Presenter: Paul Remde, Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Guest: Andrej Kolar, Naviter
Overview
The Oudie N is a fantastic new soaring flight instrument. SeeYou Navigator is soaring flight software that runs in the Oudie N, and on iPhones and Android devices. Navigator is absolutely the easiest to use and most powerful soaring flight software available today. We'll show the hardware, software, features, future features, etc. Oudie N owners and users of SeeYou Navigator on other devices will see some subtle tips for getting the most out of their soaring tools. Glider pilots considering the purchase of an Oudie N or using SeeYou Navigator will learn about the features and benefits.
Andrej Kolar is one of the creators of the popular SeeYou software and is the driving force behind Naviter's current products. He will be available to answer questions about existing products and future features.
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/7773320198?pwd=c1FPOEFqWFdYbTVrK3I4eW0xcVc5UT09
Meeting ID: 777 332 0198
Passcode: 7000
The meeting will be recorded and made available (probably within 24 hours) for later viewing at:
https://www.patreon.com/cumulussoaring
There is no need to pre-register, just join the meeting a few minutes before the start, or anytime during the meeting.
Please invite your soaring pilot friends!
This is certain to be a fascinating presentation. I hope you can join us.
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
pa...@remde.us
Saturday, February 12, 2022
10 AM U.S. Central Time (16 UTC)
Host and Presenter: Paul Remde, Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Guest: Andrej Kolar, Naviter
Host and Presenter: Paul Remde, Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Guest: Andrej Kolar, Naviter
Overview
The Oudie N is a fantastic new soaring flight instrument. SeeYou Navigator is soaring flight software that runs in the Oudie N, and on iPhones and Android devices. Navigator is absolutely the easiest to use and most powerful soaring flight software available today. We'll show the hardware, software, features, future features, etc. Oudie N owners and users of SeeYou Navigator on other devices will see some subtle tips for getting the most out of their soaring tools. Glider pilots considering the purchase of an Oudie N or using SeeYou Navigator will learn about the features and benefits.
Andrej Kolar is one of the creators of the popular SeeYou software and is the driving force behind Naviter's current products. He will be available to answer questions about existing products and future features.
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/7773320198?pwd=c1FPOEFqWFdYbTVrK3I4eW0xcVc5UT09
Meeting ID: 777 332 0198
Passcode: 7000
The meeting will be recorded and made available (probably within 24 hours) for later viewing at:
https://www.patreon.com/cumulussoaring
There is no need to pre-register, just join the meeting a few minutes before the start, or anytime during the meeting.
Please invite your soaring pilot friends!
This is certain to be a fascinating presentation. I hope you can join us.
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
pa...@remde.us
Paul Remde
Feb 11, 2022, 8:48:30 AM2/11/22
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Reminder - Tomorrow
Naviter Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator software Webinar
Host and Presenter: Paul Remde, Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Guest: Andrej Kolar, Naviter
Saturday, February 12, 2022
10 AM U.S. Central Time (16 UTC)
Naviter Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator software Webinar
Host and Presenter: Paul Remde, Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Guest: Andrej Kolar, Naviter
Saturday, February 12, 2022
10 AM U.S. Central Time (16 UTC)
Overview
The Oudie N is a fantastic new soaring flight instrument. SeeYou Navigator is soaring flight software that runs in the Oudie N, and on iPhones and Android devices. Navigator is absolutely the easiest to use and most powerful soaring flight software available today. We'll show the hardware, software, features, future features, etc. Oudie N owners and users of SeeYou Navigator on other devices will see some subtle tips for getting the most out of their soaring tools. Glider pilots considering the purchase of an Oudie N or using SeeYou Navigator will learn about the features and benefits.
Andrej Kolar is one of the creators of the popular SeeYou software and is the driving force behind Naviter's current products. He will be available to answer questions about existing products and future features.
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/7773320198...
The Oudie N is a fantastic new soaring flight instrument. SeeYou Navigator is soaring flight software that runs in the Oudie N, and on iPhones and Android devices. Navigator is absolutely the easiest to use and most powerful soaring flight software available today. We'll show the hardware, software, features, future features, etc. Oudie N owners and users of SeeYou Navigator on other devices will see some subtle tips for getting the most out of their soaring tools. Glider pilots considering the purchase of an Oudie N or using SeeYou Navigator will learn about the features and benefits.
Andrej Kolar is one of the creators of the popular SeeYou software and is the driving force behind Naviter's current products. He will be available to answer questions about existing products and future features.
Join Zoom Meeting
Meeting ID: 777 332 0198
Passcode: 7000
The meeting will be recorded and made available (probably within 24 hours) for later viewing at:
https://www.patreon.com/cumulussoaring
There is no need to pre-register, just join the meeting a few minutes before the start, or anytime during the meeting.
Please invite your soaring pilot friends!
This is certain to be a fascinating presentation. I hope you can join us.
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Passcode: 7000
The meeting will be recorded and made available (probably within 24 hours) for later viewing at:
https://www.patreon.com/cumulussoaring
There is no need to pre-register, just join the meeting a few minutes before the start, or anytime during the meeting.
Please invite your soaring pilot friends!
This is certain to be a fascinating presentation. I hope you can join us.
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Paul Remde
Feb 12, 2022, 10:04:26 AM2/12/22
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Hi,
Just a friendly reminder that the Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator Webinar starts in just under one hour. I'll be in the Zoom meeting in a few minutes to hang-out and chat before the meeting. I hope you can join us.
Topic: Naviter Oudie N and SeeYou Navigator - Overview and Update
Time: Feb 12, 2022 10:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) (16 UTC)
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/7773320198?pwd=c1FPOEFqWFdYbTVrK3I4eW0xcVc5UT09
Meeting ID: 777 332 0198
Passcode: 7000
Just a friendly reminder that the Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator Webinar starts in just under one hour. I'll be in the Zoom meeting in a few minutes to hang-out and chat before the meeting. I hope you can join us.
Topic: Naviter Oudie N and SeeYou Navigator - Overview and Update
Time: Feb 12, 2022 10:00 AM Central Time (US and Canada) (16 UTC)
Join Zoom Meeting
https://us02web.zoom.us/j/7773320198?pwd=c1FPOEFqWFdYbTVrK3I4eW0xcVc5UT09
Meeting ID: 777 332 0198
Passcode: 7000
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
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Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
George Haeh
Feb 12, 2022, 3:18:27 PM2/12/22
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Great Webinar! Thank you Paul and Andrej.
Paul, my one quibble is that the upper pull downs, setting menus and lower virtual buttons are standard Android behavior and not features particular to Navigator.
They are of course different from what Apple does, of which I know next to nothing.
Paul, my one quibble is that the upper pull downs, setting menus and lower virtual buttons are standard Android behavior and not features particular to Navigator.
They are of course different from what Apple does, of which I know next to nothing.
Guy Acheson
Feb 12, 2022, 10:40:56 PM2/12/22
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Was this recorded so that I can view it later.
Paul Remde
Feb 13, 2022, 11:47:06 AM2/13/22
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On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:40:56 PM UTC-6, Guy Acheson wrote:
> Was this recorded so that I can view it later.
HI Guy,
> Was this recorded so that I can view it later.
Yes. It will be available on my Patreon site - free for all to view - probably later today.
https://www.patreon.com/cumulussoaring
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Feb 13, 2022, 11:31:19 PM2/13/22
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Soaring Friends,
The video recording of the Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator Webinar is available here:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/62526688
Thank you Andrej Kolar for your help with the webinar, and for all the attendees.
If you find this video useful, please support my efforts by becoming a Patreon supporter of Cumulus Soaring, Inc. It is only $9.95/month.
https://www.patreon.com/cumulussoaring
To learn more about the Oudie N, or order yours, please go to:
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-oudie-n
To use SeeYou Navigator on your iPhone or Android phone, please order your SeeYou Subscription here:
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-seeyou-subscription
The video recording of the Oudie N & SeeYou Navigator Webinar is available here:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/62526688
Thank you Andrej Kolar for your help with the webinar, and for all the attendees.
If you find this video useful, please support my efforts by becoming a Patreon supporter of Cumulus Soaring, Inc. It is only $9.95/month.
https://www.patreon.com/cumulussoaring
To learn more about the Oudie N, or order yours, please go to:
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-oudie-n
To use SeeYou Navigator on your iPhone or Android phone, please order your SeeYou Subscription here:
https://www.cumulus-soaring.com/store/naviter-seeyou-subscription
kirk.stant
Feb 20, 2022, 10:06:22 PM2/20/22
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1. Task setting is still pretty basic (at least on my iPhone version of the software - I assume it's getting better).
2. I don't need 10 hours of battery life and an IGC logger - I just want a display to hook up to my other hardware. Naviter, give us a replacement for the Oudie 2, not just the Oudie IGC!
3. Sure it looks nice. But otherwise it doesn't give me better information that the clunky old Oudie2. Yeah, it's got all sorts of connectivity. Nice if you want it, but it sure is fun passing guys while they are staring at the screens in their cockpits (font size, anyone?) instead of looking out the window. Of course, this particular complaint of mine pretty much applies to ALL the current crop of fancy varios...
I'll check back in a year or two.
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Tango Whisky
Feb 21, 2022, 8:24:48 AM2/21/22
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I for sure would like to get rid of the WinCE stuff, and I wouldn't mind a larger battery, IGC w/ ENL and SkySight info dialled in.
But as long as there is no airspace or waypoint information easily accessible on the screen - no way.
Naviter has a comparison table between Navigator, Oudie 2 and Oudie IGC which shows all the things to come with Navigator.
For me, it looks like a 2023 project.
But as long as there is no airspace or waypoint information easily accessible on the screen - no way.
Naviter has a comparison table between Navigator, Oudie 2 and Oudie IGC which shows all the things to come with Navigator.
For me, it looks like a 2023 project.
BG
Feb 21, 2022, 1:06:27 PM2/21/22
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I'll wait a bit longer to see the progress made in the next year.
BG
Gianni Isotope
Feb 21, 2022, 1:52:55 PM2/21/22
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A bit off topic, but I, for one, would love to Oudie N and SeeYou mobile include a "glide amoeba" outline on the moving map, showing all reachable airports, RLA's and terrain under current conditions, similar to what has been a feature of ClearNav for about 10 years.
Paul Remde
Feb 21, 2022, 7:14:43 PM2/21/22
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Hi Kirk,
A month ago, I would have agreed that the Oudie N and SeeYou Navigator were not ready for soaring contests yet. But that changed with version 2.3.0. for me.
The latest beta version of the SeeYou Navigator software software handle complex contest tasks now. You can move the turnpoint within the turn area, set the task min. time, see task delta time, etc. You can see how to access the beta version on your Android phone or iPhone at the bottom of the page here:
https://naviter.com/2022/02/navigator-2-3-0-with-loads-of-new-functionality/
I don't think the large battery in the Oudie N is a problem. You don't need to connect it to your soaring instruments with a cable because it communicates over Bluetooth. Without the need to run a data cable, the need for a power cable is avoided with the large battery. I don't think it is too heavy or too large - not at all. I think it is the perfect size. I think many Oudie 2 users have their Oudie 2 units connected to a soaring instrument using a cable connected to ship's power using the supplied Oudie power/data cable, or connected to a 5V battery. That isn't necessary with the Oudie N. Just mount it in the glider and go fly.
I'm not sure if your note 3 is implying that the Oudie N font sizes are small. It may not be clear in the webinar video, but you can adjust the size of the navboxes, making the font huge or tiny. I like them large so I can read them at a glance in flight.
I really think the Oudie N will be ready for soaring contests by the start of the soaring season in the Northern hemisphere. I think it is ready now. I look forward to the ability to view FLARM traffic on it, and the ability to see final glide numbers to all nearby airports. I think those will be ready very soon.
Likewise, the ability to touch an airport and see runway and radio information is coming very soon. So is the ability to touch airspace and see airspace details.
I sincerely think the Oudie N is a great product. I think those who have played with them agree. Check out Adam Wooley's Oudie N reviews on Facebook. He seems to love his.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
A month ago, I would have agreed that the Oudie N and SeeYou Navigator were not ready for soaring contests yet. But that changed with version 2.3.0. for me.
The latest beta version of the SeeYou Navigator software software handle complex contest tasks now. You can move the turnpoint within the turn area, set the task min. time, see task delta time, etc. You can see how to access the beta version on your Android phone or iPhone at the bottom of the page here:
https://naviter.com/2022/02/navigator-2-3-0-with-loads-of-new-functionality/
I don't think the large battery in the Oudie N is a problem. You don't need to connect it to your soaring instruments with a cable because it communicates over Bluetooth. Without the need to run a data cable, the need for a power cable is avoided with the large battery. I don't think it is too heavy or too large - not at all. I think it is the perfect size. I think many Oudie 2 users have their Oudie 2 units connected to a soaring instrument using a cable connected to ship's power using the supplied Oudie power/data cable, or connected to a 5V battery. That isn't necessary with the Oudie N. Just mount it in the glider and go fly.
I'm not sure if your note 3 is implying that the Oudie N font sizes are small. It may not be clear in the webinar video, but you can adjust the size of the navboxes, making the font huge or tiny. I like them large so I can read them at a glance in flight.
I really think the Oudie N will be ready for soaring contests by the start of the soaring season in the Northern hemisphere. I think it is ready now. I look forward to the ability to view FLARM traffic on it, and the ability to see final glide numbers to all nearby airports. I think those will be ready very soon.
Likewise, the ability to touch an airport and see runway and radio information is coming very soon. So is the ability to touch airspace and see airspace details.
I sincerely think the Oudie N is a great product. I think those who have played with them agree. Check out Adam Wooley's Oudie N reviews on Facebook. He seems to love his.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Paul Remde
Feb 21, 2022, 7:16:45 PM2/21/22
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Hi,
The ability to see airspace and airport information is coming very soon. So is FLARM traffic on the map, and other features. They are making great progress. I plan to fly with an Oudie N in my cockpit this year.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
The ability to see airspace and airport information is coming very soon. So is FLARM traffic on the map, and other features. They are making great progress. I plan to fly with an Oudie N in my cockpit this year.
Best Regards,
Paul Remde
Cumulus Soaring, Inc.
Ron Gleason
Feb 21, 2022, 8:15:01 PM2/21/22
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Richard Pfiffner
Feb 22, 2022, 9:52:43 AM2/22/22
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kirk.stant
Feb 22, 2022, 6:07:41 PM2/22/22
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I'm not surprised the feature set of the Navigator software is improving - it would be pretty useless if it didn't!
And I hope Mode-C/ADS-B veils are added to the airspace display soon! I'm on 2.1.5 on my iPhone right now (trying to see if I can upload 2.3.0) and it still isn't there.
But I totally disagree with Paul that I need a big battery and bluetooth connectivity, and no cable connections to legacy systems. That is great if you have all new systems, but in my case I still want to hook up to my PFlarm for traffic and my SN10 for vario data (which don't have bluetooth but which work perfectly in the Oudie2 with - gasp! - CABLES!!!). Dont' need no stinkin bluetooth!
So if/until there is an Oudie N Lite the benefits simply do not yet offset the cost, at least for me. It's pretty, yes, and if I was starting from scratch it's a no brainer. I'll be pushing for our club to get one.
Kirk
And I hope Mode-C/ADS-B veils are added to the airspace display soon! I'm on 2.1.5 on my iPhone right now (trying to see if I can upload 2.3.0) and it still isn't there.
But I totally disagree with Paul that I need a big battery and bluetooth connectivity, and no cable connections to legacy systems. That is great if you have all new systems, but in my case I still want to hook up to my PFlarm for traffic and my SN10 for vario data (which don't have bluetooth but which work perfectly in the Oudie2 with - gasp! - CABLES!!!). Dont' need no stinkin bluetooth!
So if/until there is an Oudie N Lite the benefits simply do not yet offset the cost, at least for me. It's pretty, yes, and if I was starting from scratch it's a no brainer. I'll be pushing for our club to get one.
Kirk
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Michael N.
Feb 23, 2022, 8:47:41 AM2/23/22
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I really like my Oudie 2 that being said:
- The touch screen interface on the Oudie 2 while good for its time is still clunky to me.
I have to use the stylus, in the cockpit, which is a bit distracting, or hopefully have a finger with a long finger nail which works just OK but still not great.
-The screen size on the Oudie 2 is too small in my opinion.
The biggest disappointment for me with the Oudie N is the continuation of a small screen. 5.5" vs 5" on the Oudie 2 is not a significant increase. I'm not aware of how Naviter sourced their hardware, or what challenges were involved in sourcing the hardware, but if the Oudie N had a bright 7" capacitive touch screen, Android, and no overheating issues, I'd make the upgrade without question.
-I've been playing with SeeYou mobile most recent release and it's pretty close. As already noted there are some features missing, but for me it's functional. Airspaces are working as is integration with SkySight.io weather. Better airport data popups and better airspace pop ups would be useful. However I can use iFly GPS, Garmin Pilot or other Android flight planning tool, with sectionals. airspace data, airport information, etc. At the same time as SeeYou is up.
I think the majority of the software issues noted in the thread above will be worked out shortly, if not already. Maybe a month or two to a year as noted, I'm not sure what their release pace is.
Again, the disappointment for me with the Oudie N, is the still relatively small screen size. I am currently testing running SeeYou on a Google Nexus 7 (2013 ed.) which I picked up for $50.00 on eBay. The Nexus 7 has a very bright display and a 7" screen. It's not so big that it would be "in the way" in the cockpit.
Anyway $.02 paid...
P.S. for Android users, look up iFly GPS in the Play Store. Excellent flight planning and flight navigation tool with all the airspace data, airport data, flight planning etc.
- The touch screen interface on the Oudie 2 while good for its time is still clunky to me.
I have to use the stylus, in the cockpit, which is a bit distracting, or hopefully have a finger with a long finger nail which works just OK but still not great.
-The screen size on the Oudie 2 is too small in my opinion.
The biggest disappointment for me with the Oudie N is the continuation of a small screen. 5.5" vs 5" on the Oudie 2 is not a significant increase. I'm not aware of how Naviter sourced their hardware, or what challenges were involved in sourcing the hardware, but if the Oudie N had a bright 7" capacitive touch screen, Android, and no overheating issues, I'd make the upgrade without question.
-I've been playing with SeeYou mobile most recent release and it's pretty close. As already noted there are some features missing, but for me it's functional. Airspaces are working as is integration with SkySight.io weather. Better airport data popups and better airspace pop ups would be useful. However I can use iFly GPS, Garmin Pilot or other Android flight planning tool, with sectionals. airspace data, airport information, etc. At the same time as SeeYou is up.
I think the majority of the software issues noted in the thread above will be worked out shortly, if not already. Maybe a month or two to a year as noted, I'm not sure what their release pace is.
Again, the disappointment for me with the Oudie N, is the still relatively small screen size. I am currently testing running SeeYou on a Google Nexus 7 (2013 ed.) which I picked up for $50.00 on eBay. The Nexus 7 has a very bright display and a 7" screen. It's not so big that it would be "in the way" in the cockpit.
Anyway $.02 paid...
P.S. for Android users, look up iFly GPS in the Play Store. Excellent flight planning and flight navigation tool with all the airspace data, airport data, flight planning etc.
Michael N.
Feb 23, 2022, 11:59:34 AM2/23/22
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On Wednesday, February 23, 2022 at 8:47:41 AM UTC-5, Michael N. wrote:
" Airspaces are working as is integration with SkySight.io weather. Better airport data popups and better airspace pop ups would be useful.
However I can use iFly GPS, Garmin Pilot or other Android flight planning tool, with sectionals. airspace data, airport information, etc. At the same time as SeeYou is up. "
" Airspaces are working as is integration with SkySight.io weather. Better airport data popups and better airspace pop ups would be useful.
However I can use iFly GPS, Garmin Pilot or other Android flight planning tool, with sectionals. airspace data, airport information, etc. At the same time as SeeYou is up. "
> P.S. for Android users, look up iFly GPS in the Play Store. Excellent flight planning and flight navigation tool with all the airspace data, airport data, flight planning etc.
P.S.S. my posting previously "Airspaces are working" is incorrect, I should have said "Airspaces are displayed", but as noted in the recording "click on" airspace data is not yet released.
Note my reference to iFly GPS
stephen.s...@gmail.com
Feb 23, 2022, 12:59:25 PM2/23/22
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This thread reminds me of earlier ones on SYM/Oudie vs iGlide/iPhone. The latter showed Naviter what was possible and they have made their move. They’ll get it right soon and I expect continuous development on the software side. The hardware side is more interesting. In the Oudie vs iPhone discussions, one argument favouring cell phone hardware was the rapid development and improvements due to the size of the market. While an Oudie N gets a lot closer in one step, where will it be a few years from now vs the cell phones? Paul has pointed out the problems with cell phones today but this will change.
I’m also curious to see what this means for iGlide and particularly their pricing model as well future development, if any.
I’m also curious to see what this means for iGlide and particularly their pricing model as well future development, if any.
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