3rd RFD: rec.aviation.balloon
Bruce Boatman
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group rec.aviation.balloon
Newsgroups line:
rec.aviation.balloon Discussion of lighter than air aviation.
This is a formal request for discussion of the creation of the
newsgroup rec.aviation.balloon. Discussion and follow-up
should take place in news.groups.
CHANGES from previous RFD:
Reinstated ban on commercial advertising to bring the group in line with
its peers.
RATIONALE: rec.aviation.balloon
There are over 10,000 balloon pilots around the world and many others
who are fascinated by the sight of balloons. It's time man's first
means of flight has its own newsgroup. The ballooning community is
presently served by a mailing list <bal...@lboro.ac.uk> that has over
900 members and posts sometime exceed 50 per day. In order to reach a
wider audience a newsgroup is needed.
CHARTER: rec.aviation.balloon
The newsgroup will be open to the discussion of all topics directly
related to hot air or gas balloons and airships such as:
-operation, safety and maintenance
-related equipment and accessories
-weather
-groups and associations
-flying events
-flying sites
Commercial messages are not allowed, however pointers to commercial
activities in short (less than 6 lines) signature lines are acceptable.
Individuals making one-time sales of balloon-specific equipment are
welcome to post 1 or 2 messages for each sale. Please put FS: in the
subject and state where the equipment is located.
Messages that are not specific to ballooning should not be posted to
rec.aviation.balloon - use a more general interest aviation newsgroup
or other newsgroup instead.
Those using rec.aviation.balloon are asked to keep their messages
on-topic and of interest to the majority of the people reading the
newsgroup. Expression of personal disagreements has no place in
this public forum.
Not allowed:
Commercial messages, off-topic messages, excessively crossposted
messages, binary files, blatantly offensive language, pornographic or
lewd materials.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase,
potential problems with the proposal should be raised. The discussion
will continue for a minimum of 21 days, starting from the time this RFD
is posted to news.announce.newgroups. After that, a Call For Votes (CFV)
may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This notice will be cross posted to the following groups:
news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
rec.aviation
rec.aviation.announce
rec.aviation.misc
rec.aviation.owning
rec.aviation.piloting
rec.aviation.soaring
rec.aviation.ultralight
uk.rec.aviation
and the following mail lists:
bal...@lboro.ac.uk
hab-ne...@launch.net
Proponent: Bruce Boatman, Rio Rancho, NM <nmho...@flash.net>
Neil Crellin
FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group rec.aviation.balloon
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posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by
the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid.
Newsgroups line:
rec.aviation.balloon Hot air and gas balloons and airships.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1997.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.
Proponent: Bruce Boatman <nmho...@flash.net>
Votetaker: Neil Crellin <ne...@stanford.edu>
RATIONALE: rec.aviation.balloon
CHARTER: rec.aviation.balloon
END CHARTER.
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and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:
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Neil Crellin
LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group rec.aviation.balloon
RATIONALE: rec.aviation.balloon
CHARTER: rec.aviation.balloon
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and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists:
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rec.aviation.balloon Acknowledgement Bounce List - No need to revote
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five...@intellinet.com Don E. Rummel
gpeiferat...@bigdog.fred.net Gary D. Peifer
Ne...@kewlaid.highfiber.com Neal E. Rensmeyer
Neil Crellin
RESULT
unmoderated group rec.aviation.balloon passes 168:16
There were 168 YES votes and 16 NO votes, for a total of 184 valid
votes. There were 3 abstentions and 3 invalid ballots.
For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid
(YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes
than NO votes.
A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no
serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the
moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly
thereafter.
Newsgroups line:
rec.aviation.balloon Hot air and gas balloons and airships.
The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 7 Oct 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions
RATIONALE: rec.aviation.balloon
CHARTER: rec.aviation.balloon
END CHARTER.
rec.aviation.balloon Final Voter list
Voted YES
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sji...@clover.com.au Steve Ireland
jen...@lisp.com.au Jenny Ganderton>
jas...@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor
cd0...@phobos.glo.be Geert Peirsman
pierr...@ib.be Pierre Cao
luc.va...@ping.be VAN GEYTE Luc
crl...@freenet.carleton.ca Colin Leech
Lam...@tc.gc.ca Raymond Lambert
chr...@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer
pa...@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk
alex.n...@ualberta.ca Alex Nagorski
hf...@spectraweb.ch Hans Funk
cpen...@Adobe.COM Craig Pendleton
Aero...@aol.com Mike Glue
AV8...@aol.com Whit Landvater
DCPro...@aol.com David Providence
DonL...@aol.com DON BOYER
GasBa...@aol.com Paul H. Clinton
Hotai...@aol.com Peter S. Riehle
Mbi...@aol.com Morris Bitsie
mothe...@aol.com Patty Mack
mtrcy...@aol.com Tim Seward
N36...@aol.com Robert A. Manchester, III
ParaH...@aol.com Jim Bates
sam...@aol.com S.A. Masochist
Sam...@aol.com Sam Edwards
TexTw...@aol.com Jean Edwards
p...@aone.com Jack Whitney
BlueS...@balloonist.com Bob Mueller
mdi...@bassberry.com Mary Dionne
kcan...@notes.cc.bellcore.com Karen C. Candiani
ki...@best.com Kim DeVaughn
rwil...@ccnet3.ccnet.com Robert Wilkins
z...@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming
10145...@compuserve.com Ken Foster
ZFL...@compuserve.com Richard Lawhorn
Randy.D...@comsat.com
mark_r...@macmail3.credence.com Mark Rosneck
max...@dancris.com Martin Maxwell
Loc...@Mail.dec.com Garry Lockyer
guym...@deltanet.com Guy Macon
bmc...@en.com Bill McLaughlin
spli...@endeavortech.com Scott D. Plichta
hgr...@execpc.com Harold Graves
dezi...@Flaglink.com Jeff Johnson
bau...@crypt.erie.ge.com Ron Bauerle
bed...@geocities.com Robert Tendiller
sle...@greatwhite.com Steve Early
Ash...@halcyon.com Ashley Yakeley
b...@herbison.com B.J. Herbison
Ne...@kewlaid.highfiber.com Neal E. Rensmeyer
mck...@VNET.IBM.COM Matt McKrell
tham...@innet.com Thomas Hammatt
randy_...@mail.intel.com Randy Hedrick
Gretchen...@ccm.rr.intel.com GRETCHEN YOUNG
MikeX_C...@ccm.rr.intel.com MikeX Cantrell
five...@intellinet.com Don E. Rummel
Tro...@interoz.com Robert E. Deremer
lko...@interserv.com Larry Konash
bird...@juno.com Max Holland
hrev...@juno.com Howard Evans
okho...@juno.com Joe Hartpence
rang...@juno.com rick condron
rat...@juno.com Jon Radowski
sam...@juno.com Sam Blackburn
linguis...@juno.com Diane E. Teichman
p...@kerridge.com Phil Boulter
Loman....@lexis-nexis.com Loman Fisher
w...@mailzone.com WES GRADY
esse...@mdc.com John Esserman
do...@metronet.com Paul Dobbs
gron...@mindspring.com Ray Gronberg
hgol...@bbs.mpcs.com howard goldstein
ballo...@classic.msn.com Nick Seward
Philip_...@classic.msn.com Philip Bryant
j...@levin.mv.com J. B. Levin
jde...@navicom.com James B. Desch
jol...@netcom.com Joey Morris
c...@onr.com Randy Stiefer
n...@pacifier.com Nick Hatch
rlan...@peco-energy.com Rich Lanning
mic...@prodigy.com Micki Killingsworth
jmc...@iatcmail.ed.ray.com Joe McCauley
beck...@rbd.com Robert Beckwith
mike...@rt66.com Michael Glen
v...@bawooner.engr.sgi.com Victor A. Riley
lu...@sprynet.com Kenneth DeLacy
sta...@stamper.com Chris Stamper
Ry.J...@Corp.Sun.COM Ry Jones
Colin....@UK.Sun.COM Colin Thomas
haw...@sunrisenet.com Rick Geyerman
Dmc...@swcp.com Denis McKeon
ari...@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva
j...@turn.com Jennifer Southwell
ch...@txcyber.com Choya Walling
us...@usbcnapa.com Chuck Foster
bal...@vdn.com Christine Kalakuka
ma...@super.zippo.com Eric Max
Ekkehar...@gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke
cmi...@swol.de Christian Michel
hsa...@marnie.teuto.de Henning Sauer
rkes...@unix.amherst.edu Roland Escher
KYLE.S...@ASU.EDU KYLE I. SIKORSKY
meile~spam...@bc.edu Larry Meile
wgn...@wrench.bu.edu William Gnadt
rc...@saclink.csus.edu Rob Ryerson
krau...@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu Frederick A. Krause
jts...@ccs.neu.edu James Tsillas
ri...@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller
tra...@comp.uark.edu Thomas H. Rathke
my...@umich.edu Eric Myers
vfi...@unlinfo.unl.edu Verle D. Finke
Paul.Be...@m.cc.utah.edu Paul Bernhardt
fal...@servicom.es Francesc Alted
vince...@mail.dotcom.fr Rey Vincent
rgl...@biap.com.donot.spam.me Richard Glover
murt...@unisono.net.mx Bill Murtorff
keith...@worldnet.att.net Keith Merwin
Steve...@worldnet.att.net Steven Weis
ro...@capecod.net Dolores Scaldini Klimm
t...@choice.net Todd Baumgartner
habp...@concentric.net Gary LaMunion
fibr...@access.digex.net Carl Strobel
her...@access.digex.net Michael Houghton
iflyh...@earthlink.net Gary Rominger
nmho...@flash.net Bruce Boatman
rema...@flash.net Lynn Harris
gpeiferat...@bigdog.fred.net Gary D. Peifer
el...@ftel.net Rick Ellis
Ben...@gte.net Ben E. Hill
jul...@fwb.gulf.net Jules Dubois
vpd...@hiwaay.net Vic Dura
cjch...@i-link-2.net Chris Cheney
brh...@iamerica.net Bob H Rhodes
dcr...@ibm.net Dee Crabtree
j...@launch.net Jim Whitesell
la...@lava.net Lani T. Miller
mlei...@maqs.net Mark Leibelt
da...@more.net David Drum
dback...@netwrx.net Philip Heinrich
rai...@glinda.oz.net Dennis E. Kamarainen
r...@rahul.net Red
dan...@sky.net Danny Porter
rai...@skyenet.net Paul Quandee
dank...@southwind.net Daniel R. Kalal
d...@tusco.net Penny Suttle
dar...@usa.net Dan Cottler
jtr...@wi.net John C. Trione
jdew...@euronet.nl Joop de Wilde
ejno...@xs4all.nl Eric-Jan Noomen
bo...@rempt.xs4all.nl Boudewijn Rempt
vur...@rempt.xs4all.nl Cynlei Vurian astin Brun
timm...@clear.net.nz Tim A Marett
ds...@chch.planet.org.nz Don McKenzie
ruf...@e-math.ams.org J Rufinus
kc6...@amsat.org Will Marchant
hf...@lerami.lerctr.org Hank Fung
r...@scn.org Rich Gallaher
eei...@eei.ericsson.se PAT EGAN
anders...@era.ericsson.se Anders Akvist
R.D....@bath.ac.uk Richard Allen
c.bu...@umds.ac.uk Colin Butter
and...@andybat.demon.co.uk Andrew Batters
bal...@eraserco.demon.co.uk Malcolm Loades
ejda...@jamdown.demon.co.uk Edward J Daniel
ti...@lsl.co.uk Tim Bevan
mike...@zetnet.co.uk Michael Webb
mde...@mail.dos.state.fl.us Marian Deeney
Voted NO
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cala...@chass.utoronto.ca Tony Calabrese
stai...@bga.com Dwight Brown
jeffer...@bigfoot.com Jeffery D. Hunt
Rick.Pa...@Coors.com Rick Patterson
bo...@datasync.com Martin H. Booda
chuckh...@mindspring.com Chuck Hoffmann
cip...@mindspring.com David A. Howard
ol...@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar
stei...@primenet.com Jason Steiner
pa...@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti
gpr9...@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan
RuthL...@ConnRiver.net Ruth P. Ludwig
to...@null.net Tony Basoglu
mar...@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez
tla...@amug.org Todd C. Lawson
bar...@glib.demon.co.uk Barrie Glibbery
Abstained
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an...@cyberservices.com Anita J. Bryan
iflyh...@juno.com Terrence Mooney
ralo...@SMLY-01.HFS.PURDUE.EDU Richard Lofland
Invalid votes
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PB...@aol.com
! No vote statement in message
Michael_...@ccm.rr.intel.com Michael D Noonan
! No vote statement in message
wplu...@tiac.net William W. Plummer
! No vote statement in message
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Neil Crellin, UVV <ne...@stanford.edu>