ASW 19 Lift up panel
Poohbah
the 20C/B ?
Cheers
Paul
Al
up style.
I have seen a couple of these conversions and they look very nice.
you can find him at Williams Soaring California.
www.williamssoaring.com
Regards
Al
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Andy Durbin
The fixed panel gives easy access to the instruments. Adding the
panel weight to the canopy will probably make it much more likely to
blow closed and get damaged. Also with the fixed panel all wire and
tube runs stay in place. With the lift up panel they all have to flex
and risk being damaged or kinked.
For all these reasons I prefer the fixed panel on my 19 to the lift up
panel on my 28.
Andy
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Poohbah
Tis all.
Paul
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Poohbah
out.
Customers concern.
Paul
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Dan Dunkel
>
> The fixed panel gives easy access to the instruments. Adding the
> panel weight to the canopy will probably make it much more likely to
> blow closed and get damaged. Also with the fixed panel all wire and
> tube runs stay in place. With the lift up panel they all have to flex
> and risk being damaged or kinked.
>
> For all these reasons I prefer the fixed panel on my 19 to the lift up
> panel on my 28.
>
I completely agree. In my '27, I have already lost my microphone cable,
gear warning wire, and the wires from one of the two batteries to stresses
in this area. The microphone cable was cut when the glider was less than 6
months old. It is only a year old now.
I would like to hear from any other '27 & '28 owners who are having these
problems.
-Dan
Martin Gregorie
<paul_b...@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>Anyone know of a mod to make the panel of the early ASW 19 lift up as per
>the 20C/B ?
Talk to the folks at Williams Soaring in California. They have a
Pegase 101D that they fitted with an ASW-19 panel. IIRC its hinged
so it can be lifted but is not part of the canopy assembly.
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Andreas Maurer
<ddunkel...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I completely agree. In my '27, I have already lost my microphone cable,
>gear warning wire, and the wires from one of the two batteries to stresses
>in this area. The microphone cable was cut when the glider was less than 6
>months old. It is only a year old now.
>
>I would like to hear from any other '27 & '28 owners who are having these
>problems.
No problems here, nor with the modified panel of our 20.
I strongly doubt that you can leave the cockpit of a 15, 17, 19 or 20
with fixed panel quick enough to survive a bail-out. I always had
problems to get out on the ground.
Bye
Andreas
Michael Stringfellow
knocks you unconscious before you can even think about moving your legs?
Wasn't there a DG accident not long ago where this happened?
Like Andy, I prefer my panel bolted to the glider.
Mike
ASW 20 WA
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OscarCVox
>the 20C/B ?
We looked into this. Cost new panel and a new strut to take the extra weight.
Typical cost in the UK over 1000 UK pounds
Poohbah
way. Unless someone has come up with a panel that ejects as well and saves
all the expensive flight computors etc under a separate chute ;-)
The DG accident was because there was no roger hook which is now a retro fit
on all DG single canopy gliders and standard on all new gliders.
Paul
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Bert Willing
way for a bail out.
It sounds completely strange to me that one prefers to die rather than
taking care of some improper cabling.
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Finbar
Aren't they all permanently mounted on a pedestal from the cockpit
floor? Certainly that's the case on mine, and I don't recall any
where the panel is connected to the canopy.
Getting hit in the head by the canopy (sans panel) of a DG may be
possible: they are very large, extending all the way to the nose and
down to the level of the pilot's feet.
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mik...@powercet.com says...
> So that when you eject the canopy the full panel hits you in the head and
> knocks you unconscious before you can even think about moving your legs?
>
> Wasn't there a DG accident not long ago where this happened?
>
> Like Andy, I prefer my panel bolted to the glider.
DG panels are not connected to the canopy, and do not eject with it.
Perhaps you are thinking of an accident where the _canopy_ hit the
pilot, a good possibility in any glider without a Roger hook, or it's
equivalent.
Also, the tip-up panels in Schleicher gliders are bolted to the
glider, not the canopy. The design allows the panel to tilt-up while
remaining bolted to the glider. The canopy fastens to the panel with
sliding pins that allow it to be released from the panel for ejection.
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Marcel Duenner
We did it about ten years ago in our club's ASW19. None of the
problems described by Andy Durbin.
There's a picture of one @ http://www.segelflug.de/classifieds/
ad no. 9531
regards
Marcel
Andy Durbin
I put all the instruments and radio in my 28 but I did not change the
factory tubing routing from the fuselage to the panel pod.
I had vario problems for most of my first season and, only at the end
of the season, found that 3 of the 4 pneumatic tubes were kinked and
collapsed almost closed when the canopy was shut. ( I fly in Arizona
where the high cockpit ground temperatures make the tubing soft)
The factory installed main power cables flex far more than I would
like. The wires that I installed (mic, gear warning, and temp probe)
are enclosed in plastic spiral wrap for protection and have a larger
flex loop.
- for the person that thought I would rather die than fix the routing
problems:
1. I had no problem with entering or exiting the 19. I am slim build
and supple.
2. I find it no easier to get in/out of the 28 than the 19.
3. I am fixing the routing problems on my 28. I had none on the 19.
Andy
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Bert Willing
Somebody arguing for a fixed panel because of poor cable routing just struck
me as plain stupid.
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