LS8b vs. ASW28 (15m)
Chris
(15m, 18m option) or an used ASW28 (15m fixed). Both approx. same
price. As I would prefer the newer design of the ASW I also heard
some talks about performance problems of the ASW in
(micro-)turbulence.
So I would like to know the opinion of others. But maybe that is
just a form 'religion'.
Christian
Tim
>So I would like to know the opinion of others. But maybe that is
>just a form 'religion'.
Never mind the choice ... where can I join a club with either of these
as club aircraft ?
Guy Byars
Trust me on this one...
Guy Byars
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Al
Hows your Dad doing?
Al
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Guy Byars
Al,
I thought even you would have more class than to use the term "LOL" in this
situation. For those of you who are not familar with this term: "LOL- this
is a popular acronym that stands for laughing out loud and it is inserted
usually in response to something else said by someone else that is funny."
I usually ignore your crude and thoughtless posts, but in this instance I
cannot. Maybe I could email you some of the crash photos. Perhaps you
could get a laugh at those too.
> Hows your Dad doing?
He isn't laughing these days, neither is his family.
Guy Byars
OscarCVox
>as club aircraft ?
How about a club fleet of 2 x K8, 3 x Grob102 III, 2 x ASW19, 1 x DG300, 3 x
Discus, 1 x VentusC and a Ventus 2C on order!
Try Surrey and Hants Gliding Club at Lasham (surreyandhants.org.uk)
Nigel
Al
worthiness
My concern is about your fathers recovery
No offence was intended.
Al
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Basil Fairston
problem was with the ASW24.
The LS8 in club use has a problem with people accidentally ejecting the
canopy on hot days when opening it on the ground and an undercarriage that
occasionally decides to retract without permission.
The ASW28 has an awkward cover over the front hook which makes hooking up
difficult especially in cold weather and a water ballast system that won't
let you put a wing on the ground after you have filled it without the water
coming out of the vent.
Overall I would say the ASW28 with its big wheel and suspension and better
cockpit is a better glider for club use but they are both superb.
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Chris
is
> >just a form 'religion'.
>
> Never mind the choice ... where can I join a club with either
of these
> as club aircraft ?
If you want to relocate to Vorarlberg/Austria located in the alps
just give me a note and I will let you know where to pay the
member fee ;)
Chris
Robert Ehrlich
I have no experience of these both particular ships, but my clubs
owns 2 LS6, one with 17.5m tips , the other one with 18m+winglets
extensions. All other single seaters are 15m, among them 2 Discus.
Having flown all of them, I can subscribe to the famous saying:
"There is no substitute for span". I remember my last flight of
the previous season, when I was at 3km north of the airfield of
Dreux at 1000m QFE, 40 km west of home airfield, the thermals vanished
and I was told by the home airfield that the engine of our tow plane
was out, so no aero retrieve was possible. I made the back trip,
arriving in the pattern at 200m, I think with any other 15m ship
I would have to land out. On another day this season we had restricted
altitudes due to military exercises, 950m AGL from km 28 to km 11, 650m
AGL from km 11 to airfield and the ship made it back. However I know
that some people prefer to fly the LS6s in the 15m configuration in
booming conditions, and say the extra performance due to the tip
extensions is only in the low range of speed.
Tim
Tempting - a long way from Norfolk though
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Tim - ASW20CL "20"
Tim
>> >So I would like to know the opinion of others. But maybe that
Do you think my syndicate partners would mind if I took the glider
with me?
Chris
either
> >of these as club aircraft ?
> >
> >If you want to relocate to Vorarlberg/Austria located in the
alps
> >just give me a note and I will let you know where to pay the
> >member fee ;)
>
> Do you think my syndicate partners would mind if I took the
glider
> with me?
No, I don't think so. And we will certainly offer you a reduced
membership fee in return for an additional ASW20 in our club
fleet. Nevertheless I would suggesst not to leave a destination
address ;)
Chris
Tim
>> >> Never mind the choice ... where can I join a club with
Dearest Chris,
You do not know me but I have heard that can help me with a small
dilema. My name is Tim and I have recently come into an ASW20CL that
was refinished in only four years ago. I now fear for my safety as the
other club members are corrupt and wish to take my money an glider
from me - but you can help me!! If you can help me take my gldier from
Engerland to Austria-lia I shal let you fly it. But to help me move
and escaper the country you must help me with the ferry fair. Please
send me you bank details so i can buy a new
LS10<Delete><Delete><Delete><Delete><Delete><Delete><Delete> confirm
my ferrie bookings.
Your greatfull friend
Tim
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Chris
Tim,
I will be thinking about a solution for your problem. Currently I
have really not enough time because my mother and 8 of my 13
children are ill and so I have to look after them.
What I can offer you is an interesting site which might be
helpful ;)
http://j-walk.com/other/conf/index.htm
Chris
BTW: Let's end that thread here so that we don't get flamed for
discussing not really gliding specific things and therefor
wasting bandwidth.
Andy
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The ASW-28 cockpit is very tight for someone 185cm or longer. I'm 190cm and
can't really fit in it.
The Ls-8 is acceptable for me, but not by much.
May be a concern if you have several tall members in your club.
Janusz Kesik
http://www.dianasailplanes.com
Regards,
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Bruce Greeff
Chip Bearden
> can't really fit in it.
> The Ls-8 is acceptable for me, but not by much.
>
> May be a concern if you have several tall members in your club.
It's more complex than mere height. Equally (if not more) important is
the ratio of torso/leg length. I'm 191 cm and fit into an ASW-27
(similar cockpit to '28, I believe) just fine WITH the seatback still
in the glider. By comparison, my ASW-24 came from the factory with the
pedals moved forward, no seatback, and an aftermarket instrument panel
with higher knee cutouts...just to get me in the glider with a few cm
to spare.
Some years ago, a friend of mine comfortably flew a Ventus A while I
couldn't even fit into a Ventus B (larger cockpit). He was only a few
inches shorter yet when we sat side by side on a bench, I towered over
him; he was all legs.
For what it's worth (and, in a club environment, it might be a lot), I
paid extra compared to the competition's gliders over ten years ago to
buy my ASW-24 in order to get the benefits of Gerhard Waibel's
OSTIV-prize-winning safety cockpit and landing gear designs. I've
already benefited from the landing gear (hit a large, hidden,
half-buried rock and the gear struts failed progressively, absorbing
energy as designed while keeping the fuselage up off the ground and
OVER the next rock). I hope never to test the safety cockpit but it's
comforting to know it's there.
Chip Bearden
ASW-24 "JB"
Robert Ehrlich
> ...
> I hope never to test the safety cockpit but it's
> comforting to know it's there.
>
> Chip Bearden
> ASW-24 "JB"
Somebody in my club did the test for you about one month
ago. Nobody, including the pilot himself, knows how it
happended, but the glider hit some trees and as a consequence
was completely broken. The pilot was able to come out of
the cockpit and go on his feet to the nearest house asking
for help. He did not remember anything, including the day of the
week. He had only some broken rib, and his face scratched by
pieces of broken plexiglass. The track log of his Garmin shows
that he was back from a short cross country flight, at 8km from
the airfield. No altitude is logged in this GPS, so the following
is pure conjecture. Just before the crash, the track log shows
some circling over a small forest, followed by a straight line
to the impact, so it is assumed that he attempted a (to) low
save over the forest and then aimed a field nearby, but was to
low to clear the trees.
Clyde Taylor
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Robert Ehrlich
No, this accident happened in France to an ASW-24.
John Cochrane
issues, and otherwise excellent craftsmanship, fit and finish etc. --
is that many recent 27 and 28 owners have experienced unstable wing
finishes, requiring a refinish job in the first few years. Schleicher
will not cover this under warranty (I asked).
If buying used, look for dimples along the undersurface spar, classic
spar shrinkage, chordwise shrinkage at the baffles, and generalized
top surface waviness. It's only money, or time if you are skilled at
sanding and spraying, and many clubs might overlook wing waviness and
the small performance loss it implies. It may come as an unwelcome
surprise otherwise. I don't know how recent LS gliders are in this
regard.
John Cochrane
BB
Herbert Kilian
Why don't you stick to using words you know, you wouldn't know what an
"offence" (sic) is unless it would be directed against you.
We have a saying in German: 'Feinfuelig wie ein Schlachterhund' or
'Sensitive like a butcher's dog'. I can see them changing that to
'Feinfuelig wie Al der Ventuspilot' and my apologies to all
Ventuspilots.
Herbert, J7
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Al
Need an English-German dictionary for that one?
Al
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Janusz Kesik
that the new owners of the SZD put a huge emphasis on quility of their products, and the gliders
coming out of their factory are a very outstanding quality. Firnd of mine has seen the Junior and
says it's the best finished ship he had ever seen. I believe that the SZD-55 which is also produced
there would be also a perfectly finished ship. Finally these guys know their jobs - making of the
Stemme S-10 orchid isn't a piece of cake if you want to impress with quality... :)
Regards,
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Janos Bauer
The quality of the finish can be truly determined only after the first
2-3 years (highly depends on the conditions).
Let's hope they will keep shining after 10 or more years!
By the way: what is the best paint for wooden gliders? I saw some
looking like a plastic ship (shining smooth surface, not like our club
ships even right after the refinish...).
Regards,
/Janos
Janusz Kesik
JK
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