DG100 - Opinions wanted

[Tim Davies]

Hi

I'm struggling with an offer that I *could* refuse if I was better
informed.

I'm considering a purchasing a DG100 (although it might be a 100G or a
101) and I'd like your comments. There are a couple of things that I'd
like to know L/D, a polar as there isn't one at
http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de that I can find, but most importantly a
comparison with the Astir CS would be useful. The club I fly at has
two which I have been making extensive use of and while it would be
nice to have my own aircraft I don't really want to end up with an
aircraft of less/same performance

Cheers
--
Tim - I'd rather be soaring! www.norfolkglidingclub.co.uk

[Alan Smith]

DG101 WON THE WORLD CLUB CLASS CHAMPIONSHIPS - ALSO
SEE http://www.ssa.org/Johnson/49-1985-05.pdf FOR A
FLIGHT TEST REPORT BY DICK JOHNSON . A superior aircraft
to the Astir.

[november bravo]

Take the DG
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[Whitson Bush]

One thing I remember about the Astir once told to me, "it takes energy to
create noise". An astir at speed is the noisiest thing I've heard. The DG
would be my selection from the two available to you.
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[Tim Davies]

In Alan Smith <REMOVE_TO_RE...@supanet.com>'s approximate
use of english it was written:

Alan

Thanks for pointing me at the Dick Johnson report - I remembered about
them this am and was wondering if there was one.

[Nick Hill]

My club has Astirs and I own a DG100 so have flown both. The DG100 is a
much better bet than the Astir, much more responsive to fly, gives you
more feedback as to what the air is doing and has a better glide than an
Astir.

As to which model, if you can get a 101 then do so as this has the
single piece canopy which is much more conveiniant than the older 100
models. The G models have a standard tail plane rather than the all
flying one that the non G models have. I have no experience of a G.

Having said all this the Astir has a much bigger cockpit than the snug
DG100 which is of interest to some people. Getting in the Astir I always
think it's huge.

Nick Hill

[J.A.M.]

A DG-100 won the Spanish Nationals Club class this year. Nice ship, I like
it more than any CS ever built. Fantastic cockpit. But remember, it's just
my opinion.

Jose M. Alvarez

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[Tim Davies]

In Nick Hill <n.m....@rl.ac.uk>'s approximate use of english it was
written:

>Tim Davies wrote:

>> Hi
>>
>> I'm struggling with an offer that I *could* refuse if I was better
>> informed.
>>
>> I'm considering a purchasing a DG100 (although it might be a 100G or a
>> 101) and I'd like your comments. There are a couple of things that I'd
>> like to know L/D, a polar as there isn't one at
>> http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de that I can find, but most importantly a
>> comparison with the Astir CS would be useful. The club I fly at has
>> two which I have been making extensive use of and while it would be
>> nice to have my own aircraft I don't really want to end up with an
>> aircraft of less/same performance
>>
>> Cheers
>
>My club has Astirs and I own a DG100 so have flown both. The DG100 is a
>much better bet than the Astir, much more responsive to fly, gives you
>more feedback as to what the air is doing and has a better glide than an
>Astir.

Surely you aren't suggesting that some Astirs feel like fly lead
bricks are you ;)

>As to which model, if you can get a 101 then do so as this has the
>single piece canopy which is much more conveiniant than the older 100
>models. The G models have a standard tail plane rather than the all
>flying one that the non G models have. I have no experience of a G.

Thanks - I still haven't found out what model ... and now I'll know
the difference the "G" makes

>Having said all this the Astir has a much bigger cockpit than the snug
>DG100 which is of interest to some people. Getting in the Astir I always
>think it's huge.

I can't say that I rattle around the Astir cockpit - might be the
deciding factor :( - how do they compare for size with DG200/300
cockpits (which I can try this weekend) ?

[mic...@lpthe.jussieu.fr]

Tim Davies <tim_sp...@helena62.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> comparison with the Astir CS would be useful. The club I fly at has
> two which I have been making extensive use of and while it would be
> nice to have my own aircraft I don't really want to end up with an
> aircraft of less/same performance

The Astir is a particularly poor glass glider, and the DG will be infinitely
better. The problem is the comparison with good glass gliders from
Rolladen, Schleicher or Schempp-Hirth (or a Pegase for a cheap one).
All of them have better handling, much better L/D and are better built,
compared to the Astir. Even older glasses like the Libelle or the Cirrus
or the ASW15, not to mention the ASW19 are better.

--
Michel Talon

[Nick Hill]

Tim Davies wrote:

>>Having said all this the Astir has a much bigger cockpit than the snug
>>DG100 which is of interest to some people. Getting in the Astir I always
>>think it's huge.
>
>
> I can't say that I rattle around the Astir cockpit - might be the
> deciding factor :( - how do they compare for size with DG200/300
> cockpits (which I can try this weekend) ?
>
> Cheers

The cockpit on a 200 and a 100 are much the same (apart from no flap
lever in the 100) as the 200 and 100 fusalage are I believe pretty
identical. The cockpit is narrower than the Astir but part of that is
due to the fact that the DG100 doesn't have the large parcel shelves
down either side that the Astir has :-)

I have seen some large people get in a DG100. The 101 single piece
canopy would make getting in and out easier as well.

Nick