Newbie ATC question
Andrew
getting the ground ATC to use English English if you see what I mean rather
than American accents. I've nothing against our friends across the pond -
just wanted to tweak a bit more realism.
Also how difficult is scenery to install - I've just about got the hang of
new aircraft & panels but the only tutorial I managed to find made it a bit
scary
Regards
Andrew
BCA03
Sceneries are generally easy to install, almost as easy as planes, and in
some cases easier.
In general they come in zip form. Personally I have created a folder called
FSdownloads and save the original zip to there.
Then I extract it into that folder, so now I have a folder called say
Birmingham.
You can open this folder to see if there are any instructions in the form of
a read me first. which there usually are.
Often what you then can do is to right click on the Birmingham folder, and
choose cut from the options.
Then right click on the desktop link to Flight simulator, and choose
properties, at the bottom of the window that opens you should see " find
target "
Click on that and it will open the main FS folder. Now double click on the "
add on scenery" folder and right click in its window and choose paste.
This should put our Birmingham folder into the add on scenery folder,
however we haven't finished yet.
We need to start the game and go to world > scenery library, and click on
add area on the right hand side. Navigate to the folder you just added and
click ONCE on it, then click OK. It should now be added and will be used in
place of the default scenery usually.
One way to check if you have added it correctly would have been to start at
that airport first, then when you have added the newer version, the game
should pause whilst it loads the new scenery.
Here again I personally close FS if all seems well, go back to my
FSdownloads folder, and in there I have another folder called " done " I
drag and drop any zip files I have added to FS into that done folder, so
that I know what I have tried etc.
Now onto the ATC voices. I swear that when FS2k2 was due, I read that it
included " localised accents on ATC " but I don't think I have ever come
across them. Like you I thought it would be nice to hear the different
accents, and although you can change the pilots voice, not the ATC it seems.
This is why I am using the inbuilt ATC a lot less, and flying on VATSIM a
lot more, but you do need to be a competent pilot to fly on there really.
There are possibly downloads that you can use instead of the default ATC
sounds, and they might help, but I have never used anything like that.
HTH
BCA03
"Andrew" <and...@newtona5.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Mark Kolber
<and...@newtona5.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>I've just getting into FS 2002 but being based in the UK is there any way of
>getting the ground ATC to use English English if you see what I mean rather
>than American accents. I've nothing against our friends across the pond -
>just wanted to tweak a bit more realism.
If you fly to Le Touquet, do they start speaking French?
Mark Kolber
Denver, Colorado
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BCA03
Every controller everywhere should be able to speak English before he is let
anywhere near the scope or mic.
AFAIK, even if it is a French plane in French airspace, both the pilot and
the controller still have to communicate in English.
There is an old story about an English pilot who is being vectored or
instructed in German, over Berlin I think , and he is refusing to act on the
instruction unless the controller speaks in English. After a long drawn out
argument, the controller says this is German airspace and a German airfield,
why do I have to speak English ??? and the pilot says " Because old boy, we
won the war ... "
Not sure I believe it, or even like the story BTW
FWIW, when flying on VATSIM I sometimes greet my next controller in their
native tongue, but even then they reply in English and everything else stays
in English.
BCA03
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Mark Kolber
wrote:
>Fraid not Mark, which does kind of reflect real life.
They did last time I was there.
Cone to think of it, when I flew in to De Gaulle on a United flight in
September, both French and English were being spoken. The woman
handling the ATC mike was extraordinary. If the pilot called in in
French she spoke French; if English, English. Not a beat was missed.
BCA03
consider the scenario there are four planes around LFPG, one Dutch, one
German, one English and one French. Not all of the pilots would be able to
understand if the controller spoke their native tongue to each of them, thus
they would not know the intentions/instructions to other craft around them.
Now I know we have modern TCAS equipment but even so, it is good for pilots
to hear instruction for other pilots for all kinds of things. Say one of the
aircraft developed a serious problem and reported same to ATC, would they
then have to translate that info to the other pilots, thus having to say it
three times ? and more if there were more nationalities local ?
You may also recall the recent tragedy of a mid air collision over German
airspace. One of the reasons I heard for that was that the Russian pilot of
the Tupolev didn't understand instruction given in English and so was slow
to respond to it.
It is an interesting point, I will certainly be taking it up on my next
training sessions, ( both as an ATC controller and Pilot training ) and
asking a few of the RL pilots at my VA.
I am guessing that on that occasion you mention if any listening pilot
didn't understand French and insisted on English being spoken only, ATC
would have been obliged to stick to English. We also have to take into
account that ATC may well be giving information that is not so important in
regards to safety, so that kind of thing could well be passed on in native
tongue.
By sheer luck, one of our German pilots has just come on, so I put the
question to him. He says that English is the expected language, however if
there is a German pilot over German airspace and he requests all comms to be
in German, it is upto the controller, since they are responsible for
everything. The controller still has to take on board any requests from
other pilots of course.
Finally, here is one of the official comments on it :-
http://www.iats.jccbi.gov/1999/finalproceedings/session5c4.htm
BCA03
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Alun
<pic...@hotmail.com> writes
>Fraid not Mark, which does kind of reflect real life.
>Every controller everywhere should be able to speak English before he is let
>anywhere near the scope or mic.
>AFAIK, even if it is a French plane in French airspace, both the pilot and
>the controller still have to communicate in English.
>
Shame they don't though. French ATC are notorious for this, and it has
caused one or two safety problems in the past, when other pilots can't
understand what has been said.
--
Alun
I read a report that said the typical symptoms of stress were eating too much,
drinking too much, impulse buying, and driving too fast. Who are they kidding?
That's my idea of a perfect day.
Mark Kolber
wrote:
>Well, AFAIK English is sposed to be spoken by all for one very good reason,
>consider the scenario there are four planes around LFPG, one Dutch, one
>German, one English and one French. Not all of the pilots would be able to
>understand if the controller spoke their native tongue to each of them, thus
>they would not know the intentions/instructions to other craft around them.
I don't disagree at all.
Quilljar
sound mad in the UK to have an American accent on the tower at Old Sarum in
Wiltshire. I fully understand that in an American manufactured Sim the
voices will seem to the users in the USA, to be accentless. Well to us in
Europe they all sound very strange indeed. A couple of years ago, I was
flying for real from Fort Lauderdale in Florida. I simply could NOT
understand the so-called 'English' spoken by the contollers and they could
not understand me. In the end I was banned from flying in Florida until I
had lessons in American English!
I have also been congratulated by a saleman in Oregon for how well I spoke
English. When I said I came from England, I swear to you he told me he did
not realise that we spoke English there!
How an Indian and a Russian pilot both speaking English are supposed to
understand each other I don't know. I have great difficulty understanding
some of the Scottish controllers in the UK. :-)
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Dr. Anthony J. Lomenzo
Quilljar wrote:
> Surely the point being made was the accents of the ATC and the pilots. It
> sound mad in the UK to have an American accent on the tower at Old Sarum in
> Wiltshire. I fully understand that in an American manufactured Sim the
> voices will seem to the users in the USA, to be accentless. Well to us in
> Europe they all sound very strange indeed. A couple of years ago, I was
> flying for real from Fort Lauderdale in Florida. I simply could NOT
> understand the so-called 'English' spoken by the contollers and they could
> not understand me. In the end I was banned from flying in Florida until I
> had lessons in American English!
>
> I have also been congratulated by a saleman in Oregon for how well I spoke
> English. When I said I came from England, I swear to you he told me he did
> not realise that we spoke English there!
>
>
Not surprising! Last evening, ABC news, one of those sidebar 'filler' reports
on recent 'general knowledge' tests given to American high school and junior
college students: A full 89% could not locate Iraq on an unmarked map of the
world
and, worse, 11% of the same sample could not locate the United States on an
unmarked map with over TRIPLE that percentage [35% was cited] failing to
correctly know the geographical position of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans
relative to the United States. And the finale: A whopping 97%, that's 97%,
could not correctly name the current Vice President of the United States.
A rather sad commentary of our alleged "all things to all people" educational
system. Ask them who Monica Lewinski was/is and the percentage is fairly decent
that you'll at least get a nod [through the haze] that the name rings a bell
but then try Patrick Henry or Nathan Hale or, hey, even the perennial
favorite, George Washington Carver and you may as well be asking the answer [!]
to the definitive philosophical origins of both man and the universe!
Doc Tony
Andrew
"Quilljar" <quillja...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Surely the point being made was the accents of the ATC and the pilots. It
> sound mad in the UK to have an American accent on the tower at Old Sarum
in
> Wiltshire. I fully understand that in an American manufactured Sim the
> voices will seem to the users in the USA, to be accentless. Well to us in
> Europe they all sound very strange indeed. A couple of years ago, I was
> flying for real from Fort Lauderdale in Florida. I simply could NOT
> understand the so-called 'English' spoken by the contollers and they could
> not understand me. In the end I was banned from flying in Florida until I
> had lessons in American English!
Certainly was, but it looks like the answer is no, there are no add ons or
downloads - perhaps you would have to alter Uncle Bill's programme too much
?
Andrew
Tom Gibson
>
> Certainly was, but it looks like the answer is no, there are no add ons or
> downloads - perhaps you would have to alter Uncle Bill's programme too much
The problem is the size of the project - each voice needs to have over 9,000
phrases recorded for it. If you want 10 voices - 90,000 phrases!!!
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thus making the project unviable
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