ChickenHawk by Robert Mason!
Badwater Bill
One of the best and most interesting books I've ever read in my life.
Bob had a bad year. Does anyone know him? Does anyone know where he
is now? I'd love to call him on the phone and bull shit with him.
In the last chapter or so he talks about a trainer called the Hughes
TH-55A. I don't have a copy of "Jane's" here at home. Can anyone
tell me what that was? Was it a Hughes-500 of some kind? Was that a
LOCHE? (sp?)
Thanks,
Bill Phillips
Max
reads good. The TH-55 was a trainer the Army used, and continued to use
until about 88'. (For all you sharpshooters out there, this is my based on
my going through flight school in 90 and not using the TH55. I don't know
exactly when they stopped using it) It's a 3 bladed piston aircraft that had
a manual throttle on the collective. Everyone I talked to that has flown it,
loved it.
terra
> In the last chapter or so he talks about a trainer called the Hughes
> TH-55A. I don't have a copy of "Jane's" here at home. Can anyone
> tell me what that was? Was it a Hughes-500 of some kind? Was that a
> LOCHE? (sp?)
The TH-55A was one of the Hughes 269/300 series. See a pic at
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/1425/55gate.jpg
Copterdktr
>One of the best and most interesting books I've ever read in my life.
>Bob had a bad year. Does anyone know him? Does anyone know where he
>is now? I'd love to call him on the phone and bull shit with him.
Bill, you may be able to contact him through his wife's publishing company:
I believe they are in Florida now, so if ya hurry maybe you can get a visit
during SnF!
I read the book in 1985 before joining the Army, lost it and purchased it again
in 1998 for a second reading. It was just as good as the first time. Don't lose
it, you'll want to read it again!
Anthony
Alan Staats
Bill) wrote:
>
>One of the best and most interesting books I've ever read in my life.
>Bob had a bad year. Does anyone know him? Does anyone know where he
>is now? I'd love to call him on the phone and bull shit with him.
>
the last I heard he was in High Springs, FL; and had written a book
called "Weapon" (sci-fi, if you can believe it) in 1988. pretty good
book, but nowhere near as good as chickenhawk.
staats
>In the last chapter or so he talks about a trainer called the Hughes
>TH-55A. I don't have a copy of "Jane's" here at home. Can anyone
>tell me what that was? Was it a Hughes-500 of some kind? Was that a
>LOCHE? (sp?)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Phillips
Bobchopper
The TH55A Osage was a military training version of the 269A circa 1964. 792
were built.
Badwater Bill
the problem people describe about the Minni-500 tucking under in a
real auto situation. I don't understand the last sentence of this
quote. Can some of you explain to me what he was doing with his hand
in front of the cyclic?
Quote From Robert Mason's book, Chickenhawk:
A few of us who flew the H-23 Hiller were picked to cross-train in the
new army trainer, the Hughes TH-55A. When I became rated in both
trainers, I became a substitute instructor pilot in addition to my
normal load. The demand for new pilots was growing monthly.
The new trainer was falling out of the sky, killing vet-eran pilots
and their students. The ships were always found the same way-nose down
in the ground, mush in-side the cockpit. One or two pilots and their
students were killed each week. After two months of this, an IP called
in as he crashed. He said that the ship had tucked n a simulated
forced landing and the controls had no ef-fect on the dive. Then he
died. They found out that if the cyclic was moved forward when the
power was cut, the ship would immediately nose over and dive. Once in
this position, pulling back on the cyclic was useless. Hughes test
pilots discovered that the ship could be saved if the pilot pushed
forward on the cyclic (not back, as he would instinctively do), and if
he had 1000 feet of air to wait for the recovery. We flew at 500 feet
in the training areas. We were told to demonstrate the tuck and its
hairy re-covery to all our students. I had it shown to me a couple of
times, but I felt that students were not going to be able to
appreciate the subtlety of the maneuver, especially since they were
still trying to get the trainers into the sky and back to the ground
in one piece. I found that a vivid explanation of the tuck effect and
an immovable hand in front of the cyclic were adequate.
BORN2FLIE
>in front of the cyclic?
<snip>
>They found out that if the cyclic was moved forward when the
>power was cut, the ship would immediately nose over and dive. Once in
>this position, pulling back on the cyclic was useless.
<snip>
>We were told to demonstrate the tuck and its
>hairy re-covery to all our students. I had it shown to me a couple of
>times, but I felt that students were not going to be able to
>appreciate the subtlety of the maneuver, especially since they were
>still trying to get the trainers into the sky and back to the ground
>in one piece. I found that a vivid explanation of the tuck effect and
>an immovable hand in front of the cyclic were adequate.
He was guarding the cyclic so that when the power was removed the student pilot
couldn't nose the aircraft over and induce the dreaded tuck maneuver.
Born2fly
Living the Dream
R. E. Curry
the time. I later found it was a best seller for quite a while when it first
came out and Robert Mason became quite a celebrity. I also tried to contact
him and even sent an email to his wife to forward to him - couldn't find one
for him. Got no response. I did talk to his wife however. She wasn't real
friendly and really gave me the hard sell on some of her books on coping
with Viet Nam vets. My take is they got lots of calls, messages from fans
when the book was famous and still get a few but are a bit tired of it. He's
had a string of books since then with none of them being very successful.
The TH-55A is the miltary version of the Huges 269 which was sold to
Schweitzer and is now the Schweitzer 300C with minor improvements. Nice
stable (but SLOW) ships, that's what I got my rating in. The spoiler above
the bubble that is now on all of these airframes is what corrected the
unrecoverable tuck problem.
Regards,
Ron
Badwater Bill <bill...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
>One of the best and most interesting books I've ever read in my life.
>Bob had a bad year. Does anyone know him? Does anyone know where he
>is now? I'd love to call him on the phone and bull shit with him.
>
The Internet Connection
'60s until the late '80s. I flew them in 1973 at Fort Wolters, TX shortly
before that base closed. It was a modified Hughes 269A-1, and there was a
procedure for reversing the modifications so as to obtain a standard
category AC. Hundreds were surplused out by the Army. The Army had used
old OH-13s and and OH-23s for primary flight training for a long time, but
when it became necessary to expand Army RW flight training for Vietnam the
TH-55A was ordered. The older aircraft were used alongside it until about
1971-72. The TH-55A maxed out at 70K, at which airspeed the bubble started
pressing in on the crew. It was overpowered, but not over-rotored, for its
usual operating weights. The manual throttle was, to say the least, a
challenge, and the vertical descent rate in autorotation put a premium on
being young and immortal. The feeling was that if a would-be Army aviator
could master the TH-55A, he could fly anything. The Army switched to Hueys
for primary training for a few years and held a competition for a New
Training Helicopter, called, you guessed it, the NTH. In a bitterly
contested finish, the Bell Model 206B3 won, with some modifications. The
modifications have largely been dispensed with since. It's a great training
helicopter. A turbine Enstrom, a turbine Schweizer, and the A-Star
(Ecureil) were the other competitors.
Max wrote in message <7bj22p$598$1...@news.kornet.nm.kr>...
LRobin9900
than a 206 and was really more than needed.
The TH-67 will fly for along time.
Micbloo
>had a string of books since then with none of them being very successful.
Wasnt he also busted for drug smuggling and spent time on jail?
Gerard
George Moore
George
Micbloo
>called "Weapon" (sci-fi, if you can believe it) in 1988. pretty good<
Made into a movie in 1996 called "SOLO"
starring Mario Van Peebles.
Available at your local video store.
"The story of an android with a conscience. When the military decides to
decommision him, he gets
pissed".
Gerard
SWilli1054
>In a bitterly
>contested finish, the Bell Model 206B3 won, with some modifications. The
>modifications have largely been dispensed with since. It's a great training
>helicopter.
Who told you that Bell? The th67 has not been nearly as good as was hoped.
Badwater Bill
have a clue what it was about. I'll look on Amazon for "Crew Chief."
Thanks for the tip. I need a couple more good ones right now. I'm in
my retirement mode.
BBWWHHHAHHAAAA!
Bill
>Bill,
> Out of curiosity, did you read Chickenhawk because of the long thread
>we had here a month or two ago about this book ? In addition to the
>Sci-Fi book he wrote, "Weapon", he just put out a sequel to Chickenhawk
>this year, called "Chickenhawk, Back in the World. Life after Vietnam"
> Unfortunately, very little flying in this one though. It covers all
>the problems he had after returning home, drinking, drugs and a prison
>sentence in a minimum security Federal Prison. I just finished this one
>about a week ago, and I really enjoyed it, but I really missed the
>Helicopter interest of the original book.
> BTW, I've read the original Chickenhawk, at least 3 times since I
>first read it in 1985, and I'll probably go back and reread his sequel
>in a couple of years. After reading Chickenhawk the first time, I found
>3 or 4 other good books about the Helicopter war in Vietnam, One was
>called "Crew Chief", but I can't remember the authors name. I keep
>thinking Jesse McLeod, but I'm not sure.
> Glad you enjoyed it, I think everyone who ever read it did, even non
>Rotorheads!
DBukota975
> The spoiler above
>the bubble that is now on all of these airframes is what corrected the
>unrecoverable tuck problem.
>
>Regards,
>Ron
Hi, guys.
Meant to ask the last time this subject came up. Can anyone (On this NG)
:-) explain to me just what that *little* spoiler does to correct this *big*
problem?
Thanks, Damon.
BH206B
to describe the OH-6 Cayuse (what we civilians know fondly as the REAL Hughes
500, not that Mini imposter). It was the winner of the Army's contest for a
Light Observation Helicopter. LOH. Loach. Spelling sometimes varies.
Pronounciation never does.
Gary Knutson
bit above that speed. Stable and tough. Still SLOW I guess.
Regards,
Gary
R. E. Curry wrote:
>
> The TH-55A is the miltary version of the Huges 269 which was sold to
> Schweitzer and is now the Schweitzer 300C with minor improvements. Nice
> stable (but SLOW) ships, that's what I got my rating in. The spoiler above
Sergeant Rock
Yes he was. He did some time in the federal pen. He wrote a second
book which covered some his stay in prison. He could have left the
part out about jerking off in the prision shower. Way too much
information for me.
Agcatman
it's a Bell 47. I've heard of several other models which were used for
observation called the loach also.
I always thought that the loach nickname was given to the helicopter due to
the mission it was being used for rather than identifying a particular model.
I thought loach meant "low altitude something or other".
Stephen Austin
Austin Ag Aviation
Comm. Rotorcraft/Helicopter, CFI and CFII Helicopter
Comm. SEL and MEL
Instrument Airplane and Helicopter
Stan Gosnell
>. I've heard the OH-13 (I think that's the designation) called a loach. Anyway
>it's a Bell 47. I've heard of several other models which were used for
>observation called the loach also.
>
>I always thought that the loach nickname was given to the helicopter due to
>the mission it was being used for rather than identifying a particular model.
>
>
>I thought loach meant "low altitude something or other".
Nope, just a quick pronunciation of LOH, for Light Observation
Helicopter.
Stan Gosnell
Where do you get the information on double the cost? That sounds way
too much to me. My information is that overall, the AS350 is cheaper
to operate than an L1.
LRobin9900
Part are very expensive and need to replaced at a higher rate than a 206.
The AS350 is a pain in the ass.
This time LAPD bought 407s and will not buy Eurocopters again.
Agcatman
>Helicopter.
Am I correct in the information that an OH-13 was a Bell 47 and was called a
loach also? I can't remember where I heard that but I seem to have picked it
up somewhere.
Mark
>. I've heard the OH-13 (I think that's the designation) called a loach. Anyway
>it's a Bell 47. I've heard of several other models which were used for
>observation called the loach also.
>
>I always thought that the loach nickname was given to the helicopter due to
>the mission it was being used for rather than identifying a particular model.
>
>
>I thought loach meant "low altitude something or other".
>
>Stephen Austin
>Austin Ag Aviation
>Comm. Rotorcraft/Helicopter, CFI and CFII Helicopter
>Comm. SEL and MEL
>Instrument Airplane and Helicopter
The OH-6 (500) was/is known as the LOACH. It stands for "Light
Observation and Attack Helicopter".
Walter Hawn
Well, now. The original TH-55 didn't have the same bubble I've seen
since on A's and 55's. Original bubble much lighter and would bow
in, especially in the region of VNE. Over time, it'd crack and fail.
The towel bar directed air down into T/R & horizontal
stab area (Which keeps the nose up). Wasn't there when Mason was,
so can't say for sure. Had demonstrated TH-55 in auto w/no antitorque
reduction would spin left and nose down SHARPLY, and was
not recoverable with cyclic- at least not at the altitudes we flew.
Walt
LRobin9900
There as thin as paper !
Delbert Thistle
can account for high operating costs.
If you're comparing a 206B with a AS350 BA, B-1, or B-2 you're comparing apples
to oranges. The Astars have much more speed, range and power. The Astars are
quieter, smoother and offer better visibility.You must expect to pay for this
performance. Of course if all LAPD does is put a couple of hours of fuel on and
fly in circles, performance is not very high up on their the list of
requirements.
I would say that the 407 HAS the big pain in the ass. Three in-flight breakups
because of the tail rotor striking the tail boom with more strikes on the ground
is the ultimate pain in the ass.
Sure don't see many 407's in the mountains but the unofficial Bell line is that
the 4 bladed m/r system is a speed system and not an altitude system. Of course
with the speed limited by the AD it's not much of a speed system either.
LRobin9900
much more capable machines than a 206.
They are also much more money to operate.
They are not smoother than a 206B
as far as i can tell. Faster , yes . more endurance , Yes.
The A-stars were bought after Eurocopter took a loss on them so LAPD
would buy some and start a trend in Police Helos.
They have had their problems with the
407 . Its got to be the loudest and most annoying helicopter in its class.
The 407 makes the A-star seem quiet.
BH206B
it as the "206 killer," a ship that would finally end Bell's dominance of that
market. But it did not happen, due to many factors. (THREE tiny baggage
compartments??)
Now Eurocopter is bringing out the EC-120, which they are implying will take
over the light-single market. Will history repeat itself?
My money says we'll (and probably I'll) be flying 206's well into the 21st
Century.
Andreas Häggbom
>Observation and Attack Helicopter".
The name Loach is just a nickname for the "6".
// Andreas
ahae...@geocities.com
www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/8280/helis/oh-6a.html
Lobshot694
>my retirement mode.
Another good book, but IMHO not quite as good as Chickenhawk is one called Low
Level Hell. Same type of stuff. It is written by Hugh L. Mills Jr. who was
supposedly the most decorated helo pilot in Viet Nam.
Tom
Delbert Thistle
BH206B wrote:
It is interesting that when Aerospat first brought out the AStar, they touted
it as the "206 killer," a ship that would finally end Bell's dominance of that
market. But it did not happen, due to many factors. (THREE tiny baggage
compartments??)
I think the main reason was the brilliant marketing decision to use an American engine, the unforgettable Lycoming LTS 101.
The 3 tiny baggage compartments are more than adequate. The left side will hold a 210 gallon Bambi, fire fighting tools for 4 firefighters and a chain saw. That leaves the right side and aft (big enough for a person) for the rest of the gear. You can't put all of that in a Jet Ranger. Get out of the front seat and ride in the back of both machines like your customers do. You will most likely prefer what my customers do.
Now Eurocopter is bringing out the EC-120, which they are implying will take
over the light-single market. Will history repeat itself?
It sounds like the 120 is 300 lbs over-weight. We'll see if the performance lives up to predictions. If it does the 120 will be far superior to the 206B in speed, endurance and, most importantly in the next generation, exterior and interior noise.
My money says we'll (and probably I'll) be flying 206's well into the 21st
Century.
We'll still be flying Bell 47's, 204's, 205's and Hiller 12E well into the 21st. There are still a lot of 1960's cars on the road. That doesn't mean their owners don't want something newer and better. Try an Astar, you might like it.
BH206B
>Try an Astar, you might like it.
Oh man, I already tried an Astar...DIDN'T like it. And now I fly an almost
equally squirrelly ship (BO-105) but at least it has two motors and a humongous
baggage compartment :-) Most passengers aren't in the bird all day long like
we are. I guess after all these years my body has become anatomically adapted
to the 206 cockpit.
>The 3 tiny baggage compartments are more than adequate.
I guess that's why here at PHI we had to add ungainly-looking extensions to the
side compartments just so we could haul around all the crap (Monkees
lunchboxes, knapsacks...) that oil company kids bring with them to school.
Obviously, the Astar wasn't exactly Aerospat's "better idea" (fuses and
printed-circuit electrics??) or they would have continued to improve it rather
than design something new. But I'd love to take a good close look at the 120
to see what lessons they learned.
>We'll still be flying Bell 47's, 204's, 205's and Hiller 12E well into the
21st.
>That doesn't mean their owners
>don't want something newer and better.
"Wanting" something newer and better does not make it so. Will the EC-120
actually be "better" for the sake of being "newer"? It will be interesting to
see just what kind of a dent it makes in the market. It is odd though, that
here at PHI I've heard nothing about adding it to the fleet. Once bitten,
twice shy?
Bob Barbanes
Line Pilot, Petroleum Helicopters
"Tongue-tied, twisted. Just an earthbound misfit, I" Pink Floyd
"I believe I can fly..." r kelly
"I just want to fly" Sugar Ray
"Eat your hearts out, boys." R. Barbanes
Delbert Thistle
BH206B wrote: some stuff and then
> Oh man, I already tried an Astar...DIDN'T like it.
So how many hours was this try, 100-200 hrs? Was it all at sea level? Which model?
Are we talking comfort zone here?
> And now I fly an almost
> equally squirrelly ship (BO-105) but at least it has two motors and a humongous
> baggage compartment :-)
Unlike the 206B. I have no time in the 105 but I do know a couple of "Cow" pilots
that don't consider it to be squirrely, just responsive and fun to fly.
> I guess after all these years my body has become anatomically adapted
> to the 206 cockpit.
>
You're telling me that the 206B seat is more comfortable than the Astar? Can't say
thats been true in any 206 I've flown. At the very least I can fly the Astar with
out banging my helmet on the overhead.
> I guess that's why here at PHI we had to add ungainly-looking extensions to the
> side compartments just so we could haul around all the crap (Monkees
> lunchboxes, knapsacks...) that oil company kids bring with them to school.
>
Of course if PHI did something it must be right???? Tell me again that you can put
more cargo in the cargo compartment of a 206B than you can in an unmodified Astar's
three compartments.
>
> Obviously, the Astar wasn't exactly Aerospat's "better idea" (fuses and
> printed-circuit electrics??)
Not so obvious to me. I've had less problems with the Astar than the 206 but that's
just been my experience. I have never had a French engine puke. I wish I could say
the same for the Allison 250 series.
> or they would have continued to improve it rather
> than design something new. But I'd love to take a good close look at the 120
> to see what lessons they learned.
>
The 120 is not a replacement for the Astar line. The Astar was to replace the
Alloutte III and eventually the Lama. The Astar is a 6-7 place aircraft competing
with the 206L series. The 120 is a 5 place aircraft competing with the 206B series,
5 places if you have a small person sitting in the middle back seat of the 206.
The Astar line continues to improve with the 350B-3 and the 355-N. When will we see
a new, from the ground up, light turbine from Bell? The 206 type certificate is
getting pretty long in the teeth.
> "Wanting" something newer and better does not make it so. Will the EC-120
> actually be "better" for the sake of being "newer"? It will be interesting to
> see just what kind of a dent it makes in the market. It is odd though, that
> here at PHI I've heard nothing about adding it to the fleet. Once bitten,
> twice shy?
>
Bob, you've got to get off of the Gulf coast for a while. There is life after PHI
and job requirements that non Bell helicopters are filling every day while you guys
go back and forth to the same old places with the same old loads in the same old
helicopters. What works for you doesn't always work for the rest of us. Come on up
to the mountains and try something new.
darkh...@my-dejanews.com
was just a regular scout pilot that was rather good at it. He is perhaps the
luckiest pilot of the war.
Hugh Mills Jr.
LTC, USA ret
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BH206B
> <snip>...written by Hugh L. Mills Jr. who was
>> supposedly the most decorated helo pilot in Viet Nam.
>>
>> Tom
>>
and it was replied...
>Hugh Mills Jr. was not the most decorated helo pilot of the Viet Nam War. > He
was just a regular scout pilot that was rather good at it. He is perhaps >the
luckiest pilot of the war.
>
>Hugh Mills Jr.
>LTC, USA ret
>
Hugh Mills Jr, who evidently has a sublime sense of humor and a very fine sense
of self. Welcome out of the lurk-ness, Hugh!
Bob "Amazed at who reads these things" Barbanes
Arnold Christensen
us on VHFCN. Some of us remember Hugh. You don't have to pat yourself on
the back, just let the people stroke you now and again.
Never forget!
Chris the Bigfoot
ROPALD
included just about every cliche' that I and every other Viet Nam pilot heard
during their tour in VietNam and wrote a book about these "collective"
experiences. I seriously doubt if Mason personally experienced even half of
what he describes as personal experiences although his account of the war was
accurate (he may have actually been there). I'm not trying to knock him but
his book sounds more like a fictionalized account of many stories and rumors
that were shared by many other VN helicopter pilots. Most helicopter pilots
that flew in Nam would probably agree. I would love to get the real facts from
some other pilots that knew him in Viet Nam. Any of you in this newsgroup? If
nothing else, it would make a great Hollywood movie.
Dan & Jan Hollenbaugh
writing of the original.
ROPALD wrote in message <19990325213214...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
Rod Buck
<holle...@mindspring.com> writes
>Read his second book - Chickenhawk: Back in the World. He talks about the
>writing of the original.
an age to deliver to England....
- Rod Buck
R. E. Curry
company "Patience Press" at 1-877-PATIENCE. Patience is actually the one who
answers the phone. She also has a website http://www.patiencepress.com/ .
You can't order over the web though. You can get the book signed by Robert
Mason if you ask(at least she says it is his signature). She will also try
to sell you a subscription to her newsletter "THE POST-TRAUMATIC GAZETTE" as
well as some of her literature about PTS and her own books.
Ron Curry
rec...@curry.org
Rod Buck <rod...@telespeed.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:F1DqmJAN+T$2E...@telespeed.demon.co.uk...
Dan & Jan Hollenbaugh
cents.
R. E. Curry wrote in message ...
Badwater Bill
There are many of us who write for fun. I am one of them. In most of
my posts on the Internet 70%-90% is factual but it's always enhanced
some. That's one of the reasons I don't sign things in my real name.
The fictional character BWB can brag, make up stuff or just flat lie
where it doesn't hurt anyone. I couldn't do that if I signed my real
name. But, as far as the war goes and Mason's book. Even if he
didn't personally experience everything he wrote about, I know that
many pilots did. I loved his book.
Once you read the next one he wrote, please tell us about it.
Thanks,
Bill Phillips
Jerry Feldman {75562}
> ROPALD wrote in message <19990325213214...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
> >Chickenhawk was probably the best piece of fiction that I've ever read.
> Mason
> >included just about every cliche' that I and every other Viet Nam pilot
> heard
> >during their tour in VietNam and wrote a book about these "collective"
> >experiences. I seriously doubt if Mason personally experienced even half
> of
I read ChickenHawk years ago. I flew in the same area that Mason flew in,
about a year after he did. I don't remember the details of his book, but I
do remember just about every LZ that he described. I personally flew many
missions into the Happy Valley area. While there are many better books now
than there were when Mason wrote Chickenhawk, it was one of the first books
written about the helicopter war that had any accuracy.
--
Jerry Feldman <g...@blu.org>
heli-vets system administrator
61st AHC '67-'68
http://rattlers.bitshop.com/heli-vets
http://gaf.ne.mediaone.net
Arnold Christensen
than there were when Mason wrote Chickenhawk, it was one of the first
books
written about the helicopter war that had any accuracy.
Where have you been lurking Jerry?
Guys, I got to tell you that this guy is one brave son of a gun. The
only single rotor guy I know with enough nerve to go out with a couple
of Hookers for dinner in DC one of whom was a Canadian to boot and
survived the whole experience. :-)
Chris the Bigfoot
Micbloo
>only single rotor guy I know with enough nerve to go out with a couple
>of Hookers for dinner in DC one of whom was a Canadian to boot and
>survived the whole experience. :-)
LOL!!!!!
Badwater Bill
Jerry:
Please tell some stories! There are many of us who would love to read
some of the things you did in Nam. Please consider it and post them
here or on a webpage that you post a link to on this news group.
Think about it. We'd love to hear the stories.
Badwater Bill
>Dan & Jan Hollenbaugh wrote:
>
>> ROPALD wrote in message <19990325213214...@ng-fx1.aol.com>...
>> >Chickenhawk was probably the best piece of fiction that I've ever read.
>> Mason
>> >included just about every cliche' that I and every other Viet Nam pilot
>> heard
>> >during their tour in VietNam and wrote a book about these "collective"
>> >experiences. I seriously doubt if Mason personally experienced even half
>> of
>I read ChickenHawk years ago. I flew in the same area that Mason flew in,
>about a year after he did. I don't remember the details of his book, but I
>do remember just about every LZ that he described. I personally flew many
>missions into the Happy Valley area. While there are many better books now
J. Mark Wolf
other who submitted accounts of his exploits in Cobra flight school and
in Viet Nam, on the http://www.usbusiness.com/helicopter/ web page. I
can't vouch for the authenticity of his writings, but I can vouch for
their entertainment value.
Ira, if you're reading this post more!
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Regards
J. Mark Wolf
Pinckney, Michigan
Exec 162F N1955Z
Arnold Christensen
who had a web page. I can tell you he has the greatest sense of humor.
He is a member of VHFCN but not actively right now. Sipped many a beer
while IFR in his cigar smoke in and about the DFW area.
Now I will go check out the site you mentioned. Will report back.
Chris the Bigfoot
Arnold Christensen
did not find him. Didn't find a link to him on www.vhfcn.org either. But
I went to http://www.askjeeves.com/ and typed in his name and once I
got past the IRA as in finances there he was all over the place.
Ira will have you laughing. Follow the stories shown far enough you may
even see the Foots name mentioned.
Chris the Bigfoot