Harrison Ford is having a de Havilland Beaver Rebuilt
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1998 issue of West Coast Aviator, out of Canada. The publication has a west
coast aviation flavor with a historical bent. Hard to find, though. The WC
Aviator DOES have a nice picture of the partially rebuilt plane. I saw it
last summer at Kenmore when it was even more deconstructed.
Trish
In article <7bgnmb$lur$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Dave Sutton
> Actor Harrison Ford is having a de Havilland Beaver Rebuilt - The Full story
> is on the Landings Web Page (http://www.landings.com)
Who cares? Really, and not to be rude, but why is
his airplane more interesting than anyone elses??
This has always baffled me. In historical aviation
circles, the star of the show is the -airplane-. The
owner is just a temporary curator of an object that
should outlast us all.
Frankly, I'd be more interested in a Beaver owned by some
guy who works two jobs to afford it. To him, its an important
art of his life and a sacrifice. For Ford, it's just a few numbers
missing from a bank account.
Just curious why we should be all excited.
Dave Sutton pil...@planet.net
Yak-50, Fouga Magister, DeHavilland Vampire, MiG-17
"There is no substitute for horsepower...."
David Pasquill
you
think anyone would pay attention nationally if I announced Bob Mud owns a beaver?
Dave Sutton
> I care because it raises the profile of an aircraft that deserves the attention. Do
> you think anyone would pay attention nationally if I announced Bob Mud owns a beaver?
Actually, it's not all that more interesting than owning a 57 Chevy. I mean,
Beavers are -old-, but are so common that they are hardly unique...
it's hard to get excited about a rich man having one painted and polished
when they really should be famous for the guys flying them every day and
making a hard-earned living with them out in the bush.
I just do not see the point here of getting excited over what Kenmore is
doing every day (restoring Beavers) just because there is some name
recognition to the man writing the checks.
Dave Sutton pil...@planet.net
Yak-50, Fouga Magister, DeHavilland Vampire, MiG-17
"There is no substitute for horsepower...."
> > > paul.m...@email4u.com writes:
> >
> > > Actor Harrison Ford is having a de Havilland Beaver Rebuilt - The Full story
> > > is on the Landings Web Page (http://www.landings.com)
Cobbx
You just wanna see your name up here on the screen or you're just in a bad
mood.
I think it's cool that Harrison has a Beaver,
I'm glad it was brought to my attention.
I know I'm not the only one.
Cobbx
Juan Jimenez
>
> I care because it raises the profile of an aircraft that deserves the attention. Do
> you think anyone would pay attention nationally if I announced Bob Mud owns a beaver?
Somehow I get the feeling that the reason people care is not the
publicity, but the hope that Harrison Ford giving publicity to the bird
will increase resale values even further...
Dave Sutton
How could you increase the sales value any more? At an
average cost of $225K on wheels, and $400K on amphib
floats, it's already well overpriced. A French Broussard has
-exactly- the same engine, -exactly- the same physical size,
-exactly- the same capacity, and -exactly- the same mission
(and is better built, as well..) and costs about $55-$75K for
a -really- nice one.
Hmmm.......
Dave Sutton
> Aw Dave,
> You just wanna see your name up here on the screen or you're just in a bad
> mood.
Neither, sorry to dissapoint......
I guess I am just a luddite regarding the worship of celebrities
regarding what they own. Harrison Ford owns a Beaver (gee...).
Arnold owns a Hummer (yawn...). Cindy Crawford wears an Omega
watch (big deal) and Seinfeld owns a Porsche (so what??) It's
an insult to the (excellent) products listed to believe that these
amatuers can critically select and/or appreciate what they own.
There are 1000 bush pilots who have opinions on the Beaver that
I want to hear, many off-road racers who I would like to hear speak
about the Hummer, watchmakers whose opinions on fine watches
actually mean something to me, and thousands of PCA members and
racers who have opinions worth listening to on Porsche Sport. But
wanting an object because some movie star owns it strikes me
as foolish, at best. anting it because you have done your research and
have selected it due to the fact that you both know what it does and
am able to use it appropriately in a skilled manner is far more interesting.
I'm far more impressed with my neighbor who (although not famous)
wins consistantly on the track with his home-modified 911, and am
more impressed with the local aviation restorer's Waco (which-he- restored),
etc. But being handy with a checkbook is no reason for worshiping either the
person -or- the item owned.. This is like all the publicity given to Robert
Lutz (former Chrysler chairman) when he bought a L-39 trainer jet. You
would have thought it to be the most exotic airplane ever built, and rare
too. Funny thing is that there are nearly 100 of them in the USA, owned
by many men with far better aviation credentials than Lutz (who managed
to land his gear-up one of the first times he flew it...), but the publicity
is given to the famous simply because thay are good at something that
has -nothing- to do with aviation. Actually, this can backfire and hurt
aviation, witness John Denver getting killed in his Long EZ (due to him
screwing up...) and the adverse publicity that resulted.
Just my opinion, which is worth exactly what you paid for it.
Regards,
Vern Klukas
<nospam...@planet.net> wrote:
Yes n No
As I understand it, H Ford is quite hooked on flying, much like J
Travolta. And I feel a little insulted when you say "It's
an insult to the (excellent) products listed to believe that these
amatuers can critically select and/or appreciate what they own. I'm
certainly an amateur (in the sense of not a professional) and if I could
afford a Beaver, I feel I could select and appreciate the equipment for
its own merit. Let's not let a person's notoriety cloud our assessment of
their motives, abilities or passions.
Like Dave, just my opinion, take it as you will
Yers, verno
Vern Klukas I'm a little...
ve...@home.com
JDeRuvo
parts to restore her, he gave up and sold it. Thankfully, it's in flying
condition again.
I don't get what the Dave Sutton is trying to get at. Is he saying that if
you're a celeb, you can't really appreciate a plane you buy? Oh please.
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with
your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been,
there you long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci.
Cobbx
You don't know Harrison, Arnold or Cindy.
They all probably have more on the the ball
than you. Just because they've been in the
public eye doesn't mean they are all
airheads. They could have been your neighbor before they became rich and
famous.
Or... What if your neighbor strikes it rich
next week, will that make his driving abilities
any less?
I do value your opinion, That's why I wouldn't
pay for it, heh heh.
Ctrot
Cobbx wrote:
> Dave Dave,
> You don't know Harrison, Arnold or Cindy.
> They all probably have more on the the ball
> than you. Just because they've been in the
> public eye doesn't mean they are all
> airheads. They could have been your neighbor before they became rich and
> famous.
> Or... What if your neighbor strikes it rich
> next week, will that make his driving abilities
> any less?
>
As a matter of fact Mr. Ford was a carpenter before he made it in acting,
and the man is a pretty good Pilot from all accounts I have heard. And by
the way Mr. Sutton I don't believe that someone who owns numerous vintage
jets such as yourself can speak for the "common man". Most of us may just
have more in common with Mr. Ford.
Ctrot
Dave Sutton
> Dave Dave,
> You don't know Harrison, Arnold or Cindy.
> They all probably have more on the the ball
> than you. Just because they've been in the
> public eye doesn't mean they are all
> airheads.
Actually, as a former charter and corporate pilot
flying Gulfstreams I-have- had the opportunity to
meet and fly -each- of the people listed, and since
arrison Ford learned to fly about 5 miles north of
where I live at an airport that I frequent, I have a
bit more insight into this than you might imagine.
Standing around the coffee pot in the early morning
waiting for the fog to clear to go fly the Cub, all
are equals.
I used to fly a weekly flight into Jackson Hole with
continued service to Sun Valley ID, and to say that
I interfaced with these people more than a few times
would be an understatement. To list the people that
I flew on a weekly basis would seem to be bragging
so I will spare you. Suffice it to say that I spent a -few-
hours hanging out in back and makins sure my passengers
were all nice and comfy whilst the other pilot watched
the autopilot fly, and have had the chance to talk to many
celebs in a relaxed and informal atmosphere.
Ford is certainly an airplane lover, but I still cannot
get excited over a press release that he's having his
airplane painted. It's just another airplane owned by just
another guy. Nice guy, but......
A Demarzo
"Doctor Jones" may be a big money maker, but he's just a regular guy like you and
me when it comes to G/A. He's often in the DFW area spending some of that hard
earned money getting rating upgrades and additional training. Everyone that
attends a class or seminar with him say he's a stand-up guy. Heck, he could even
be lurking here with the rest of us rivet knockers. Its good when a high profile
guy is into our hobby, kinda makes us all feel a bit special and intelligent.
Dave Sutton wrote:
> > paul.m...@email4u.com writes:
>
> > Actor Harrison Ford is having a de Havilland Beaver Rebuilt - The Full story
> > is on the Landings Web Page (http://www.landings.com)
>
> Who cares? Really, and not to be rude, but why is
> his airplane more interesting than anyone elses??
> This has always baffled me. In historical aviation
> circles, the star of the show is the -airplane-. The
> owner is just a temporary curator of an object that
> should outlast us all.
>
> Frankly, I'd be more interested in a Beaver owned by some
> guy who works two jobs to afford it. To him, its an important
> art of his life and a sacrifice. For Ford, it's just a few numbers
> missing from a bank account.
>
> Just curious why we should be all excited.
>
A Demarzo
Dave Sutton wrote:
David Pasquill
prices equivialant to a cessna 180. If that plane exists you could sell alot of them. There
must be a flaw.
Dave Sutton wrote:
> > Juan Jimenez <fly...@home.com> writes:
> > David Pasquill wrote:
> > >
> > > I care because it raises the profile of an aircraft that deserves the attention. Do
> > > you think anyone would pay attention nationally if I announced Bob Mud owns a beaver?
> >
> > Somehow I get the feeling that the reason people care is not the
> > publicity, but the hope that Harrison Ford giving publicity to the bird
> > will increase resale values even further...
>
> How could you increase the sales value any more? At an
> average cost of $225K on wheels, and $400K on amphib
> floats, it's already well overpriced. A French Broussard has
> -exactly- the same engine, -exactly- the same physical size,
> -exactly- the same capacity, and -exactly- the same mission
> (and is better built, as well..) and costs about $55-$75K for
> a -really- nice one.
>
> Hmmm.......
>
> Dave Sutton pil...@planet.net
>
> Yak-50, Fouga Magister, DeHavilland Vampire, MiG-17
> "There is no substitute for horsepower...."
Dave
Juan Jimenez
Dave Sutton
> > Dave Sutton wrote:
> >
> > > How could you increase the sales value any more? At an
> > > average cost of $225K on wheels, and $400K on amphib
> > > floats, it's already well overpriced.
> Juan Jimenez <fly...@home.com> writes:
> Tag it with Harrison Ford's image.
Yeah, I can see some crusty old bush pilot running
service to fishing camps in Canada saying "Gee, ya know
what? I'll be happy to pay an extra few grand for my
flying work-truck just because some -movie star- has
one too..." Not.
Juan Jimenez
anymore because Ford's name is tagged to it, but I -can- see some crusty
young bush pilot -wannabe- with more bucks than sense paying more.
Remember the Urban Cowboy Syndrome? :)
Juan