David Clark Headsets?
Steven Atkins
OK, I'm willing to pluck down the > $250 for a GOOD headset. No more,
"Cessna 12345, maintain [Dead Silence] and Squawk [Dead Silence]"
A number of people have convinced me to buy David Clark. Great. There
are about 25 models. Anybody know what differances are?
Steve Atkins
Jerry Bransford
Go with David Clark's H10-13.4 headset. You can easily find one for $240
and you'll never regret your decision. The H10-13.4 is their lightest
and most comfortable, the newer H20-10 isn't getting rave reviews since
it's about 5 ounces heavier and most people find it not as comfortable
as the 13.4.
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scat...@ix.netcom.com (Steven Atkins ) wrote:
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>OK, I'm willing to pluck down the > $250 for a GOOD headset. No more,
>"Cessna 12345, maintain [Dead Silence] and Squawk [Dead Silence]"
>
>A number of people have convinced me to buy David Clark. Great. There
>are about 25 models. Anybody know what differances are?
>
>
Sporty's has all the details of the different models with
pretty color pictures. But...you can find them cheaper
anywhere else.
You could use the reader service card in any magazine that
DC advertises in and they'll be happy to send you a bunch
of info.
Broke, But No Longer Renting!
N4566F
Mike Heaton, Agile Air Service
>
> OK, I'm willing to pluck down the > $250 for a GOOD headset. No more,
> "Cessna 12345, maintain [Dead Silence] and Squawk [Dead Silence]"
>
> A number of people have convinced me to buy David Clark. Great. There
> are about 25 models. Anybody know what differances are?
>
>
> Steve Atkins
Small fixed wing airplane? Get used H10-40 W/M4 mic.
Buying new get H10-13.4.
If you need to know why that will cost you :)
Mike
Phaedra A Hise
: Go with David Clark's H10-13.4 headset. You can easily find one for $240
: and you'll never regret your decision. The H10-13.4 is their lightest
: and most comfortable, the newer H20-10 isn't getting rave reviews since
: it's about 5 ounces heavier and most people find it not as comfortable
: as the 13.4.
I've tried both of those, and neither was as comfortable as the Peltors.
Not only do they feel lighter (I haven't weighed them) but they don't
pinch like the Dave Clarks.
If you must have Dave Clarks, I agree to go with the older ones. The new
ones are heavier, plus they're taller and you bump the top of the headset
against the headliner of the plane.
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Marc Wandschneider
somebody once tried to get me to use a peltor headset, and i wasn't
too keen on it. the crappy rental headsets i've been using of late
are also pretty lousy.
i've spent a little bit of time with the david clark h20-10, and it's
pretty decent, but the one i've been most happy with is the david
clark h10-30. decently light, not terribly huge, pretty good
sound, and decent price.
toodlepip!
marc'em.
David Fase
: A number of people have convinced me to buy David Clark. Great. There
: are about 25 models. Anybody know what differances are?
Steve,
The "General Aviation News and Flyer" had a pretty decent rundown
on headsets in their September 29 issue. Look for a copy laying
around your FBO's lounge, (if you are in the West...).
Consider buying a used set of H10-40's if the opportunity rises.
They're hardier than hell, and they can be easily retrofitted with
the Active Noise Reduction (ANR) upgrade from Headsets, Inc.
As was suggested, the DC H-10-13.4's are a very popular set these
days. The 13.4's can also be fitted with ANR.
Contact me if further interest in ANR upgrades. r/ Dave
E-mail: fa...@kendaco.telebyte.com
Doug Rozendaal
>OK, I'm willing to pluck down the > $250 for a GOOD headset.
Steve,
Take your the advice and buy the Dave Clarks. Preferably find an old 10-40
but if you can't then 13.4 is the next best solution. the reason for the
10-40 is the mike. The old M-4 mike is the best they ever had. The reason
to buy Dave Clarks is the cords. All the other knock offs work fine until
you tug on the cord. Then it is Tango Uniform.
My Dave Clark 10-40's have about 10 years and 3000 hours of every thing
from night frieght, Stearman open cockpit, to B-25's. I have tripped over
the cords and soldered the ends on them more times than I can count. I have
the old ones that you can fix.. If every thing I ever bought worked as good
as my Dave Clarks I would not have to buy much of anything.
Recently, (at Osh Kosh) I did buy a ANR kit for mine from Headsets Inc. It
was $129 and it works absolutely great. I love it too.
Tailwinds,
Doug Rozendaal ATP, B-25, PBY, C-195, High Horse Cassutt.
"Headsets are like underwear, other peoples may work, but it just ain't the
same."
jonathan schwartz
are as many opinions about headphones as there are different headphones.
I ended up buying the David Clark 13.4's from Sporty's for $259. These
are among the 2 new models in the line. The others were a bit too
space-age type for me. I love my decision. Regarding location, Sporty's
may not be the aboslute cheapest, but was within $10 of lowest price.
After all, I'm spending close to $150 a lesson twice a week (here in San
Francisco)... why would you want to chase down anything but the best and
worry about a couple of dollars either way?
Jonathan Schwartz
F. Woodbridge
it. You all will probably say that I am biased but I have tried the
10-13.4 and others and I found that the newest DVs are the most comfortable
and even though they weigh more, they feel lighter. I have flown in
many types of planes and I have *never* bumped my head against the
ceiling of any one of them while wearing my DV 20-10s.
My opinion, of course, can be totally disregarded, aye? :)
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have tried several other brands for relatively short flights and found
that all of them ended up feeling like a vise. Conversely, I have yet to
"feel" the H20-10's while wearing them, even with glasses on, on
reasonably long flights. I have found the noise attenuation and sound
quality to be excellent as I expected from David Clark. The only caution
I would mention concerning the H20-10's is the fact that they might not be
the best choice if cabin head room was severely limited. This is due to
the fact that the top portion of the headset does not actually adjust.
The cushion below the top support adjusts for proper head support. I'll
plug David Clark once more by saying that they made a mistake on my
original order of the headsets. They sent two left gel earseals instead
of one left and one right. I called them using a number provided with the
package. They immediately sent my a new right gel earseal, no questions
asked. I appreciated the expediency and professionalism I received in my
dealings with them. I have heard many concerns over the weight of the
H20-10's. However, the comfort far outweighs the weight. I don't even
notice the weight.
I hope this helps,
Dave Spangler
David Fase
: Jerry Bransford (jer...@jerber.sandiego.sgi.com) wrote:
: : The H10-13.4 is their lightest
: : and most comfortable, the newer H20-10 isn't getting rave reviews since
: : it's about 5 ounces heavier and most people find it not as comfortable
: : as the 13.4.
: I've tried both of those, and neither was as comfortable as the Peltors.
: Not only do they feel lighter (I haven't weighed them) but they don't
: pinch like the Dave Clarks.
Can I add my $0.02? Thanks, I knew you'd see it that way...
The David Clarks were developed and originally built to military
specs for military pilots. These are folks pull high G turns, do
acro stuff that us civvies can only dream about. David Clarks are
built to "hang" in there... thus the David "Clamp" designation, and
the ruggedness of the breed. Times have changed, though. Us GA
pilots don't need that capability. Hence, the lighter, free-design
headsets we're beginning to see now. Even venerable old David Clark
Co. is trying to sell headsets which are lighter, lower profile, and
all the rest, than the lines they offered for fourty years.
What's my point here? I guess I'm losing it, but I hate to see
every other soul running David "Clamp" Clark, and some of the other
manufacturers who've been building headsets from before the big war,
into the trash-heap. Fifteen years ago, a relatively short time, I
performed a study for the navy to determine the most effecient
Man on the Move (MOMCOM) communication system to be used in the well
deck of naval LSD's, and DC and a couple of other manufacturers were
the only viable game in town. Damn things had to take a lot of guff,
hang on while the Man was on the Move, without a whimper. I guess
the big point here is...
*In order to passively seal out 60 to 100 dB of noise, the earcup
has to stay planted against your ear.*
Plain old physics rear their ugly head in this last statement. Also,
the wider (thicker) thus heavier earcup designs are full of open cell
foam, and just do a better job at passive noise reduction, than do the
newer, sleeker varieties, ie, DC 10-13.4's and Peltor 7004's, etc.
This is not opinion, (regardless of advertising...) it is fact.
Consider adding Active Noise Reduction ANR to whatever you end up with.
ANR is the latest state of the art, and will cure the shortcomings of
lightweight headsets while you look sleeker and feel more comfy behind
the stick (or yoke, as the case may be...).
One last tip, which I've learn over the years. (Free) If you wear a
ball cap with most of the older headsets, the "beanie button" will
drive you nuts after a while. The Fix? Either remove the button, or
carve a corresponding hole in the foam rubber cushioning of the head-
band of your beloved headset. (Now, ain`t that something for everyone)?
Gee, I think I might have made a point here. Hope it all wasn't lost!
r/ Dave aka: fa...@kendaco.telebyte.com
William C Hargis
after a couple hours). I went back to Peltor. they don't have that
cool aviation aura or give you the feeling that you are amilitary
fighter pilot, but they work great and a ten times more comfortable.
Buy one of each and try them out. Send the one back you do not like.
But remember, the five minutes you take trying them on in a pilot shop
is nothing like the four hours you will be wearing them for on a long
cross-country.
My $.02.
Bill
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Jerry Bransford
Hargis) writes:
|> I've tried both H20-10 (no head room) and the 13.4 (too much clamping
|> after a couple hours). I went back to Peltor. they don't have that
|> cool aviation aura or give you the feeling that you are amilitary
|> fighter pilot, but they work great and a ten times more comfortable.
|> Buy one of each and try them out. Send the one back you do not like.
|> But remember, the five minutes you take trying them on in a pilot shop
|> is nothing like the four hours you will be wearing them for on a long
|> cross-country.
Peltor may have *had* the lead on comfort and being lightweight, but no
longer. The DC 13.4 is no more a 'clamp' than the Peltor 7004 is. I
own both a Peltor 7004 (for about two years) and David Clark headsets (for
about four years). My wife picked out the Peltor but gave them to me
once she soloed.
The Peltor is already showing signs of wear even though all it does now
is sit in my flight bag or get used by my friends. I have worn the Peltor
7004 for several long trips and truthfully can't say that I notice any
greater comfort than my David Clarks. I have since stopped wearing the
Peltor since I prefer the feel of the David Clark. By the way, I feel
the David Clark gives superior audio quality to the Peltor. The recent
Aviation Review noticed the same thing, saying the David Clark gave
"noticeably superior sound quality".
Since my David Clark headsets still look new after four years and my
Peltor 7004 look aged after two years, I'd have to say I now know what
'light-weight' gives you.... light-weight durability.
William C Hargis
400hrs per year and tried the H20-10 and the 13.4 (that are not
supposed to clamp). Try them and judge for yourself. The Peltors
sound great, look fine after many years, there support is great, and
are much more comfortable on long trips (I wear them for 5 hour trips
and don't even know they are on)
Don't listen to any of us just try them yoursef.
"By the way a leading aviation publication rated the Peltor far superior
to any of the Dave Clarks"
:) (jk)
F. Woodbridge
: Don't listen to any of us just try them yoursef.
: "By the way a leading aviation publication rated the Peltor far superior
: to any of the Dave Clarks"
: :) (jk)
: Bill
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Ohhh...., that sounds like a biased opinion! Now, we can't have that, can
we :-)
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