General Aviation in Japan
Marc Wandschneider
blaugh!
does anybody know what General Aviation is like in Japan? ie, is it
reasonable to own and operate an aircraft while living there? are rules
out of control? prices?
i've often toyed with the idea of living there, but i'd be hesitant to
give up my plane to do so.
m.
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Gene Armstead
More second hand information that may or may not be accurate:
A couple of years ago I was on a group tour of JAL's training facility in
Napa, CA. We were told at the time that it's cheaper and easier to bring
students to California and train them to be pilots in the USA because of
costs and the lack of airspace to train in, besides the more predictable
weather in California.
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Andrew M. Sarangan
In article <64tme7$l2p$1...@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
Gene Armstead <ge...@fcs.net> wrote:
>More second hand information that may or may not be accurate:
>
>A couple of years ago I was on a group tour of JAL's training facility in
>Napa, CA. We were told at the time that it's cheaper and easier to bring
>students to California and train them to be pilots in the USA because of
>costs and the lack of airspace to train in, besides the more predictable
>weather in California.
>
Actually that is true with most other airlines too. I know of several
foreign airlines who train their employees in the U.S. I don't think
any other country has a lower cost of flying than the U.S. Most of the
cost is due to higher fuel costs but also due to the smaller flying
public.
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Marc Wandschneider <mar...@microsoft.com_spamsucks>
> does anybody know what General Aviation is like in Japan? ie, is it
> reasonable to own and operate an aircraft while living there? are rules
> out of control? prices?
>
> i've often toyed with the idea of living there, but i'd be hesitant to
> give up my plane to do so.
>
> m.
I have some second hand info, and basically all of the above is so. Civil
aviation is prohibitively expensive, nothing like "go as you please" and
it`s probably the worst country on earth for regs.
When you consider they have tighter restrictions on their cars than just
about anyone else has on their airplanes, you get the picture.
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John O'Loughlin
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:25:00 GMT, rwi...@gol.com (Ross Wilson) wrote:
>Marc,
>
>I am an Australian living in Japan (Hiroshima). I have a US FAA
>licence and was very interested in flying in Japan. However,
>there are a few problems.
>
>Costs are quite high. I was quoted 48,200 yen/hour for a C172 with
>instructor. That's quite high! I would have needed the instructor
>because I don't have a local licence. Due to the high cost of flying
>I did not look into GETTING a local licence.
>
>Also, you must join a club, with a fee of 52,000 yen in the first
>year.
> major snip
I looked up the currency conversion so I could see what this relates to
in US currency (1 $ = 84.45 yen) so 48,200 yen/hour = $570.75/hour.
WOW!
Joining the club for 52,000 yen/year = $616.11/year.
I can't afford that either!
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Ross Wilson
Marc,
I am an Australian living in Japan (Hiroshima). I have a US FAA
licence and was very interested in flying in Japan. However,
there are a few problems.
Costs are quite high. I was quoted 48,200 yen/hour for a C172 with
instructor. That's quite high! I would have needed the instructor
because I don't have a local licence. Due to the high cost of flying
I did not look into GETTING a local licence.
Also, you must join a club, with a fee of 52,000 yen in the first
year.
I was interested in finishing a tail-dragger endorsement I had started
in the states, but couldn't find one flying anywhere.
One other possibillity was the flying club at the local Marine Corp
Air Station (Iwakuni). However, this is open only to US Military
personnel, Japanese Military personel or US DOD personnel, as I
expected. The costs are quite a bit lower, but I didn't find out what
they were. They have a C152 & C172, I think.
I estimated that to support a 100 hour/year flying habit, I would need
something like USD$50,000. If I had that sort of money I would keep
it and buy a plane in the US or Australia!
Apart from that, the only other thing I checked was Hiroshima
tower and approach, and English _did_ seem to be used!
Ross.
DISCLAIMER: I didn't talk to FBOs Japan-wide, etc, so this is only
my personal experience in Hiroshima. If anybody else has had better
luck in Japan I would like to know!
Yes, I know it's not called a licence in the USA!
"Marc Wandschneider" <mar...@microsoft.com_spamsucks> wrote:
>blaugh!
comanche driver
i trained a student from japan a couple of years ago. he said that a 172
costs about 300 an hr to rent.
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Ernest R. Reese
Marc Wandschneider wrote:
>
> blaugh!
>
> does anybody know what General Aviation is like in Japan? ie, is it
> reasonable to own and operate an aircraft while living there? are rules
> out of control? prices?
>
> give up my plane to do so.
>
> m.
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Marc:
I have first hand experience in selling and flying in the market.
The cost is prohibitive in US terms and as I mentioned in my e-mail, the
Japanese Import Bureau must approve an import. You may be faced with up
to 50% duty. Also Japanese regs require that a mechanic and hangar be
available and assigned before an aircraft can be imported. Yes, you
read it right - one mechanic per GA aircraft! Space is at a premium.
The only way to avoid this is to be a member of a US Armed Forces Aero
Club and keep the aircraft on a US military base as a part of the club.
If that is the case, then crate the aircraft and get it taken on a
military transport, space available. We did this a number of years ago
to get the first Cessna 150s & Cessna 172s into the Hickam Aero Club
located then at Wheeler AFB.
Ernie Reese
John R. Johnson
On 19 Nov 1997, Ernest R. Reese wrote:
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>
> The cost is prohibitive in US terms and as I mentioned in my e-mail, the
> Japanese Import Bureau must approve an import. You may be faced with up
> to 50% duty. Also Japanese regs require that a mechanic and hangar be
> available and assigned before an aircraft can be imported. Yes, you
> read it right - one mechanic per GA aircraft! Space is at a premium.
>
worth, it is also illegal to buy a car in Japan unless you own a parking
space and can prove it!
John
PAUL G MAYER
John R. Johnson (jo...@siu.edu) wrote:
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: By the way, for what it is
: worth, it is also illegal to buy a car in Japan unless you own a parking
: space and can prove it!
Not quite. In the Tokyo metro area (the 23 wards) one cannot *register* a
car unless one can show proof of an off-the-street parking space for it.
Mendokusai desu ne?
Tailwinds,
Paul Mayer may...@nevada.edu UNLV, Las Vegas, NV
ATP, AGI, IGI; former YR F/O (DHC-6-300) and now
Just a Japanese 221 student at UNLV
John R. Johnson
On 22 Nov 1997, PAUL G MAYER wrote:
> John R. Johnson (jo...@siu.edu) wrote:
> <snip>
> : By the way, for what it is
> : worth, it is also illegal to buy a car in Japan unless you own a parking
> : space and can prove it!
>
> Not quite. In the Tokyo metro area (the 23 wards) one cannot *register* a
> car unless one can show proof of an off-the-street parking space for it.
> Mendokusai desu ne?
>
But it is illegal to NOT register it. I am not sure is Tsukuba is in the
"23 Wards" since it is pretty far out of Tokyo. My son had to have an off
street parking space before he was allowed to get a car, when he was
over there.
John