Warrior called a Cherokee on Radio?
Bob Noel
In article <57qn7u$1...@trellis.wwnet.com>, rsc...@wwnet.com wrote:
> When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
> on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
> it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
> standard?
This has come up occasionally at the FAA Safety Seminars that
I have attended. Generally the controller doesn't care if
you are a cherokee, warrior, or Archer. Usually the controller
only cares that you are flying a pa-28 and doesn't care exactly
which model you are flying. The warrior pilot might as well
identify himself/herself as a cherokee.
--
Bob Noel
why do people over load their
webpages with unnecessary gifs?
David S. Johnson
>When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
>on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
>it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
>standard?
>
> -Bob Scott
Nope, not from what I can tell. I use "Warrior" just because I'm not any
old Fliteliner 140 (then again, I'm not a late model Arrow retractable,
either).
David
Jim Pauk
Robert Scott wrote:
>
> When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
> on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
> it to Cherokee.
Bob, don't feel alone. When I file IFR in my Cherokee Six, I use the
PA-32 designation. Invariably, the controllers will refer to me as
Saratoga or Lance 3374W. Then they wonder why my 260hp and fixed gear
airplane can't go faster or climb higher.
Jim in _Cherokee_ 3374W
Robert Scott
When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
Kent Shaw
In article <rwnoel-3011...@rwnoel.tiac.net>, rwn...@tiac.net says...
>I have attended. Generally the controller doesn't care if
>you are a cherokee, warrior, or Archer. Usually the controller
>only cares that you are flying a pa-28 and doesn't care exactly
>which model you are flying. The warrior pilot might as well
>identify himself/herself as a cherokee.
>
>--
>Bob Noel
>why do people over load their
>webpages with unnecessary gifs?
Warrior is a specific type of the Cherokee family. I always tell him
that I am a Warrior so he/she won't assign altitudes beyond the
Warrior's ability.
If the controller is not familiar with the Warrior, just tell him/her
that you are a PA-28-161, This usually makes them happy.
Wyatt R Johnson
In article <57qn7u$1...@trellis.wwnet.com>,
Robert Scott <rsc...@wwnet.com> wrote:
>When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
>on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
>it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
>standard?
>
If there is, I'd sure like to know about it...my 1st flight instructor
taught me to use "Warrior", and that has stuck w/ me ever since then
(even though he was my CFI for a total of only 4.0 hours) My 2nd
CFI always used Cherokee.
Then there was the time I was flying to Champaign, and I announced
myself as "Warrior 31862", and the controller later was telling me
something and began with "Cherokee 31, correction: *Piper* 31862, blah
blah blah..."
Wyatt
John M. Miano
In article <32A125...@www.plantnet.com>, Jim Pauk <jim...@www.plantnet.com> wrote:
>Robert Scott wrote:
>>
>> When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
>> on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
>> it to Cherokee.
>
>PA-32 designation. Invariably, the controllers will refer to me as
>Saratoga or Lance 3374W. Then they wonder why my 260hp and fixed gear
>airplane can't go faster or climb higher.
In a 172 sometimes ATC calls me "Skyhawk" and others "Cessna". Once in a 152
they called me "Chickenhawk".
So much for the rules. One time I rented N99991 and following what is
explicitly stated in the rules I called up ground as niner-niner-niner-
niner-one and ground came back laughing at me and said
"niner-TRIPLE-niner-one taxi...".
John
Wake up and smell the Clintons!
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In article <57qn7u$1...@trellis.wwnet.com>, rsc...@wwnet.com (Robert Scott)
writes:
>
>When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
>on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
>it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
>standard?
>
> -Bob Scott
>
>
No
Jim Hann
ATP/MEL
CFIAIME
Roy Smith
ks...@pop.erols.com writes:
> I always tell him that I am a Warrior so he/she won't assign altitudes
> beyond the Warrior's ability.
What makes you think the controller has a clue what the service ceiling of a
Cherokee is, let alone one specific flavor of Cherokee vs. another?
--
Roy Smith <r...@nyu.edu>
Hippocrates Project, Department of Microbiology, Coles 202
NYU School of Medicine, 550 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Jeffrey Ross
>on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
>it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
>standard?
>
> -Bob Scott
>
>
I know my arrow (1971 model 200B) is refered to on the owners manual
as a Cherokee Arrow. (btw, when did owners manuals become what we now
know as the "POH"?)
a funny story once, I needed to taxi across the runway at the airport, so
I clled ground and asked for permission to taxi, saying "Arrow 5090S
would like to taxi to..." I was told to hold short of the runway, then
then next instruction was "Cessna 5090S cross runway.." I responded
"Arrow 5090S roger, and btw, we are a Piper", to which was responded
"Cherokee 5090S cross runway ..."
Jeff
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andrew m. boardman
David S. Johnson <john...@acpub.duke.edu> wrote:
> Nope, not from what I can tell. I use "Warrior" just because I'm not any
>old Fliteliner 140 (then again, I'm not a late model Arrow retractable,
>either).
All of the "slow" cherokees (Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Warrior) use "PA28" as
the type code -- if the controller sees this on their scope, you'll get
called "Cherokee". If you report in as a "Warrior", they'll *usually*
remember and keep calling you that, but if it's busy or the controller is
switched, it's back to "Cherokee".
Arrows actually have their own code, "PARO" -- no confusion there.
andrew
nightjar
In article <57qn7u$1...@trellis.wwnet.com>, rsc...@wwnet.com (Robert Scott) says:
>
>When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
>on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
>it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
>standard?
>
When I fly PA-28s I use the term 'Warrior' or 'Archer' as appropriate.
It always becomes 'Cherokee'. ATC has even referred to my TB-9
as a Cherokee before now.
As the other pilots out there will be looking for a low wing single
engined monoplane in a similar performance envelope, I don't
suppose it really matters.
I was once told to line up 'after the landing Cessna'. As I recognised
the pilot's voice I knew it was a 310 some time before ATC realised
they ought to warn me that it wasn't one of the usual 150/152s.
Nightjar
patterson,george r
In article <57s1dk$1...@news.nyu.edu>,
Roy Smith <r...@mchip00.med.nyu.edu> wrote:
>ks...@pop.erols.com writes:
>> I always tell him that I am a Warrior so he/she won't assign altitudes
>> beyond the Warrior's ability.
>
>What makes you think the controller has a clue what the service ceiling of a
>Cherokee is, let alone one specific flavor of Cherokee vs. another?
Yeah, most controllers have only the haziest idea. There was an incident
a while back in the Newark area. A 172 was making an approach to Teterboro,
and a commercial was behind him. The controller asked the commercial for
reductions in speed a couple times, and the pilot accomodated him, but the
third time went something like this -
"United 123, reduce speed to 115 knots."
"Teterboro, are you aware of the stall speed of this aircraft?"
"United 123, No, but if you ask your co-pilot, I'm sure he can tell you."
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Paul Tomblin
In a previous article, je...@wisdom.bubble.org (Jeffrey Ross) said:
>as a Cherokee Arrow. (btw, when did owners manuals become what we now
>know as the "POH"?)
When they got standardized layout and sections.
>a funny story once, I needed to taxi across the runway at the airport, so
>I clled ground and asked for permission to taxi, saying "Arrow 5090S
>would like to taxi to..." I was told to hold short of the runway, then
>then next instruction was "Cessna 5090S cross runway.." I responded
>"Arrow 5090S roger, and btw, we are a Piper", to which was responded
>"Cherokee 5090S cross runway ..."
I bet that gave you good confidence that they could see you from up in the
tower cab. "The upside down Cessna is cleared to cross the runway..."
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Kevin Tilroe
I once flew left seat in my Uncle's Piper Dakota (PA-28-236) (my uncle
was in the right seat). I mistakenly called myself a Cherokee on the
radio because I used to own the very similar Cherokee 235 (PA-28-235).
My Uncle practically wacked me up side the head for that :)
--
Kevin Tilroe C.E.T.
kti...@compusmart.ab.ca
http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/ktilroe/
Curtis Wheeler
Jim Pauk wrote:
>
> Robert Scott wrote:
> >
> > When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
> > on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
> > it to Cherokee.
>
> PA-32 designation. Invariably, the controllers will refer to me as
> Saratoga or Lance 3374W. Then they wonder why my 260hp and fixed gear
> airplane can't go faster or climb higher.
I remember when my dad took delivery of a new Lance in 1976. On the
first familiarization flight with the Piper pilot we called ourselves a
"Cherokee". It was regularly refered to as a "Cherokee" on the radio by
us and ATC.
Why not? It said "Cherokee Lance" on the cowl. I don't think that it
makes much of a difference to anyone. Especially when you consider that
a "Cessna" callsign regularly applies to anything between a 150 and a
210.
--
Curtis
William C Hargis
Bob I had a Cherokee 180 and an Arrow and ran into the same problem at
first I found that the 180 was easier to use the term PA-28-180. The
Arrow was the opposite if I continued to use Arrow they would respond
in kind.
Bill
Robert Scott (rsc...@wwnet.com)
wrote: : When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
: on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
: it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
: standard?
: -Bob Scott
--
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Corp. Pilot/Pratt & Whitney Engines
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check...@aol.com
In article <57sohg$9...@dasher.cc.bellcore.com>, pat...@cc.bellcore.com
(patterson,george r) writes:
>"United 123, reduce speed to 115 knots."
>
>"Teterboro, are you aware of the stall speed of this aircraft?"
>
>"United 123, No, but if you ask your co-pilot, I'm sure he can tell you."
>
>
Well, Teterboro wouldn't be United but I have one along the same lines.
Tower: Gulfstream 4G reduce speed to 80 knots.
Plane: Tower, this thing falls out of the sky at 100.
Tower: Rog, 4G, report falling through each 1,000 feet.
Jim Hann
ATP/MEL
CFIAIME
Ron Natalie
Just be glad that you're in something like a PA-28.
I always have to give the controllers the type code
for the Navion (N145), and still a lot of times they
punt and just call me "November 5327K." Baltimore
approach for some reason likes to put in the Navaho
code for Navions (I don't know what the Navaho code
is but I suspect it's PA something).
-Ron
Chris
On Sun, 01 Dec 96 04:45:14 GMT, mi...@worldnet.att.net (John M. Miano)
wrote in rec.aviation.piloting:
>So much for the rules. One time I rented N99991 and following what is
>explicitly stated in the rules I called up ground as niner-niner-niner-
>niner-one and ground came back laughing at me and said
>"niner-TRIPLE-niner-one taxi...".
The rules do allow for the grouping of numbers... Actually, you're quite
lucky. I might have answered you with "November niner niner niner niner
niner niner niner niner <deep inhale> niner niner niner niner one,
taxi..."
---
Chris Rasley <http://www.mi.net/dialin/cpr>
Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada. High-Enroute ATC (CZQM), PP-ASEL
Rick Wagner
Robert Scott wrote:
>
> When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
> on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
> it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
> standard?
>
> -Bob Scott
Several other aircraft were out practicing approaches as it was the
perfect day for it. (high cigs,low vis)
A Apache 991, A Warrior 919 ,A commanche 899, a tomahawk 298, and
cheyenne 291 were all inbound on the KSTP ILS approach. when the
controller became confused with who was who and stated "the indian
closest to the airport is cleared for the approach. " He followed up
with "to many indians, not enough cowboys" then returned to normal
operations.. I felt sorry for the poor white man...
At another time Tripacer 07Papa was upgraded to a commanche.. Should
have sold.
--
Rick Wagner <_) <_) USPA Master Skydiver D-15865
PP ASEL IA ______/|__ <|_ | TriPacer N1507P
PA-22-135
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| ____/_|_ _|>
|~~/~~~---...__/ / |/~~~ | never give up.
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Doug Royer [N6AAW]
My POH says "Piper Cherokee Warrior". And tell you
CFII that every ATC (ARTCC, ...) that I have ever talked
to wants it to be called a Cherokee.
-
Doug Royer PP-ASEL Cherokee 913MS
Thumper!
Robert Scott wrote:
>
> When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
> on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
> it to Cherokee.
Flying my Beech Sierra, I generally get called "Bonanza 892"
To which I respond (if it's quiet enough):
"892's a Sierra, although I keep putting vitamins in the fuel tanks and
hoping"
--
Thumper! Leporidae Extraordinhare
thu...@vfr.interceptor.com http://www.interceptor.com/~thumper
"Life is to achieve the impossible"
check...@aol.com
In article <32A2F1...@sensor.com>, Ron Natalie <r...@sensor.com>
writes:
>Just be glad that you're in something like a PA-28.
>I always have to give the controllers the type code
>for the Navion (N145), and still a lot of times they
>punt and just call me "November 5327K."
Here is a good one too. I operate with a call sign, but I operate VFR
quite a bit and it goes like this: "Waukegan Tower, StarCheck 432"
"StarCheck 432 go ahead" "StarCheck 432 is a VFR Baron southbound on the
shoreline, 1.8" "Roger Baron 432, proceed as requested..."
I have completely given up trying to correct them.
Jim Hann
ATP/MEL
CFIAIME
John R. Johnson
Yes. I used to fly a Cessna, "trip 2 5 Julie"
John
Bob Noel
In article <32a48316...@130.42.135.117>,
bph...@bcstec.ca.boeing.com wrote:
> Speaking of type codes, does anyone know where I might find a
> relatively complete list of valid type codes on the web?
>
you might try looking in FAA 7110.65J.
The FAA web site has it, and so do a few others.
Owen Carr
check...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Here is a good one too. I operate with a call sign, but I operate VFR
> quite a bit and it goes like this: "Waukegan Tower, StarCheck 432"
> "StarCheck 432 go ahead" "StarCheck 432 is a VFR Baron southbound on the
> shoreline, 1.8" "Roger Baron 432, proceed as requested..."
>
were reserved for part 135 and 121 aircraft.
Bud Wendle
On Sun, 1 Dec 1996, Robert Scott wrote:
> When I fly the Cherokee Warrior, I never know what to call myself
> on the radio. If I say Warrior, ATC often responds by changing
> it to Cherokee. But my CFII always uses Warrior. Is there a
> standard?
>
> -Bob Scott
I think in general that the more detailed the information, the better,
(like Warrior in this case), as long as the 1) the details have some
significance, and 2) you're keeping your transmissions to an
appropriate length. Secondly, I think most of us flying some version
of Cherokees would rather not be lumped into one group when there are
a number of them in the controller's area, that need to be
differentiated.
--
Bud Wendle ._______|_______.
:) -\{o}/-
b...@feith.com o/!\o
check...@aol.com
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.961203110724.11218L-100000@reliant>, "John R.
Johnson" <jo...@siu.edu> writes:
>> The rules do allow for the grouping of numbers... Actually, you're
quite
>> lucky. I might have answered you with "November niner niner niner
niner
>> niner niner niner niner <deep inhale> niner niner niner niner one,
>> taxi..."
>>
>> ---
>> Chris Rasley <http://www.mi.net/dialin/cpr>
>> Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada. High-Enroute ATC (CZQM), PP-ASEL
>>
Jeez, these Canadians, you give 'em some numbers... :-)
(note the smiley Chris)
Jim Hann
ATP/MEL
CFIAIME
andrew m. boardman
In article <32A476...@xyplex.com>, Owen Carr <oc...@xyplex.com> wrote:
>check...@aol.com wrote:
>> Here is a good one too. I operate with a call sign, but I operate VFR
>> quite a bit and it goes like this: "Waukegan Tower, StarCheck 432"
>
>were reserved for part 135 and 121 aircraft.
Well, for starters, given that StarCheck is a part 135 operation, that
makes sense then, yes? Secondly, a callsign can be approved any time
there's a perceived operational benefit. (Lots of part 91 corporate
flight departments have them, and I think some larger flight schools do
as well.)
andrew
Rich Ahrens
John M. Miano (mi...@worldnet.att.net) spilled onto his/her news spool:
: In a 172 sometimes ATC calls me "Skyhawk" and others "Cessna". Once in a 152
And then there was the confused Chicago center guy last Sunday who kept
calling me Skylane after I identified myself as a 172.
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Kent Shaw
In article <57s1dk$1...@news.nyu.edu>, r...@mchip00.med.nyu.edu says...
>
>ks...@pop.erols.com writes:
>> I always tell him that I am a Warrior so he/she won't assign altitudes
>> beyond the Warrior's ability.
>
>What makes you think the controller has a clue what the service ceiling of a
>Cherokee is, let alone one specific flavor of Cherokee vs. another?
If he doesn't, I remind him. Seriously, mine struggles beyond about
8,000 feet. Some controllers are pilots too and are quite familiar
with the warriors; others seem to be clueless.
John R. Johnson
Then there are pilots who are not familiar with the capabilities of
the various Piper Indians.
John
piper...@aol.com
I think it depends on what controller you are working with. Some call me
archer 96F while others call me cherokee96F, and sometimes the same
controller calls me both!
Ryan Healy
Rich Ahrens wrote:
> And then there was the confused Chicago center guy last Sunday who kept
> calling me Skylane after I identified myself as a 172.
I was in our King Air 300 about a week ago coming back to Chicago from
Florida, and we ended up getting up to FL370. The controllers finally
started calling us Beechjet 2DK because evidently they have never seen a
King Air at 370 (and up till then, I hadn't seen one up there either).
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In article <5852kv$r...@darla.visi.com>, r...@visi.com says...
>
>And then there was the confused Chicago center guy last Sunday who kept
>calling me Skylane after I identified myself as a 172.
>
Be thankful they get it that close. At some towers (esp. dual use civilian
and military) anything with a prop is a Cub.
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Michael Carver wrote:
>
> In article <5852kv$r...@darla.visi.com>, r...@visi.com says...
> >And then there was the confused Chicago center guy last Sunday who kept
> >calling me Skylane after I identified myself as a 172.
> Be thankful they get it that close. At some towers (esp. dual use civilian
> and military) anything with a prop is a Cub.
their areas are. There is a broad range of planes that fit into the
172/PA28 mold. Have pity on the controllers -- probably hassled too
much that day. BUT be certain you don't add confusion when you announce
yourself on the air (it's all recorded, you know). --Bill
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Frank van der Hulst
> : In a 172 sometimes ATC calls me "Skyhawk" and others "Cessna". Once in a 152
> : they called me "Chickenhawk".
I've been tempted to use "Skyhawk" once or twice, but suspect it would
result in a "Skyhawk, hold short for C150 on 10-mile finals". Here in
NZ, "Skyhawk" is reserved for the Air Force (A4K Skyhawks).