Flying to Hawaii
Dane Spearing
from the mainland? Are there any places to land in the Pacific between
Southern California and Hawaii? Mind you, I'm not thinking of trying to
do the flight, I was just wondering how they get small aircraft from the
mainland to Hawaii.
Thanks!
-- Dane
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strategic points in the Atlantic and Pacific to provide radiobeacon service,
weather observations, and search-and-rescue capabilities. OS November was
midway between San Francisco and Hawaii, and we talked to many light
aircraft being ferried across the big water. If you read Bill Cox's column
in Plane and Pilot, you will see that he ferries light aircraft across both
oceans all the time. Takes lots of extra fuel tanks and paperwork.
We had men in the boats, ready to lower away, one day when a Bonanza
couldn't get his fuel transfer switch to work. Thankfully, he got it going
before we got to meet him personally. For my part, I like Dane's solution.
Bob Gardner
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Peter Duniho
> from the mainland?
Some people add fuel tanks in the cabin and get a ferry permit for
overweight operations for the flight from the mainland. Then they get ready
for a very long flight.
However, I suspect most of the airplanes there that wouldn't normally be
able to make the ocean crossing arrive in a box.
Pete
C J Campbell
ferrying planes as far as Indonesia and Australia. Bill Leahy would remove
all the seats except the pilot's seat. These were shipped separately. Then
he would install large gas tanks inside the cockpit and baggage area. After
an FAA inspection the planes would be certified for the ferry flight. The
planes would be way over gross, so they would depart Oakland's Rwy 27R and
head for the water. They gained enough altitude to clear the Golden Gate
Bridge and headed west.
The pilot carried two handheld GPSs, a portable ELT, and ocean survival
equipment on the flight in addition to whatever avionics that plane had.
They always waited for favorable winds before embarking on the trip.
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Patric Barry
expense of dismantling and reassembly.
Anything as large as a C172 or a Warrior if flown there.
Oakland to Honolulu is 2,240 nm - it's the longest leg of the trip to Australia.
On the other side of Hawaii is the HNL-Majuro leg which is about 1800 nm. and
goes over Wake Island (can't land there, but there is some small comfort from
seeing land on the way). After Majuro (or Tarawa), there are shorter legs and
the choice is determined by whoever is not having an insurrection that week. I
liked the Solomons, landing at what we know as Guadalcanal, but they've been
having domestic disturbances for the past few years, and Bouganville is trying
to secede from New Guinea, so these places can be overflown.
It's just flying - and with tanks and a gps and good weather anything is
possible.
The FAA allows planes to depart 10% over gross on ferry trips. Closest point to
Hawaii is Oakland - next closest is Santa Barbara.
Pat
Mike Rapoport
south to get more favorable winds?
Mike
MU-2
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Peter Duniho
the
> expense of dismantling and reassembly.
Heh...have you seen the bill for an Oakland-to-Hawaii ferry flight? It's
not a minor undertaking at all.
Still, I assume that since you claim to know, you have access to statistics
that prove that "very few planes are shipped in a box". I admit to not
knowing, but I'll wait until I see something more authoritative before I
decide that I do now know.
Thanks,
Pete
Les Gawlik
Hawaii at www.equipped.org.
The engine lost oil pressure and the pilot had a lot of decisions to make
quickly. Should he turn around and try to ditch near a ship, or should he
press on and try to make to close to the radius of rescue helicopters.
Another interesting point: Even though the pilot and co-pilot ditched in
tropical waters, they nearly died from hypothermia. One's ability to survive
in water is much, much less than one would think.
Good things to know: The Coast Guard maintains a database of the location of
ships at sea. C-130's can lay down a series of flares for a night time
ditching.
Les
N6008L
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Jim Herring
> The FAA allows planes to depart 10% over gross on ferry trips. Closest point to
> Hawaii is Oakland - next closest is Santa Barbara.
I'm not so sure about that. Most undersea telephone cable from Hawaii reach the
beach near San Luis Obispo. It's the shortest path.
--
Jim
carry on
Patric Barry
I've done it from Oakland - it's the closest point and there is a facility at
Oakland Airport which does tanking.
However, the times that I have done it I have waited for favorable winds and
weather, depending on what I'm flying.
Santa Barbara is about 50 miles further - that's not a big determining factor.
There was/is a ferry company at Santa Paula that used to tank at Santa Paula and
then fuel and fly out of SBA.
Thinking it through, there is some emotional benefit from flying under an airway
and seeing the 747s leaving a contrail above.
The greatest emotion is almost claustrophobic - there is so much nothingness out
there, and to see something - Wake Island on the other side, or a contrail on
this side, brings a measure of comfort in case an emergency occurs. The planes
above are nice to chat with as well.
I doubt if there would be much of a factor with the winds in any case since the
route would converge and while I haven't studied the winds from north vs south,
I sense that there would be little difference.
Pat
Robert M. Gary
>
> Very few planes are shipped in a box - it's more expensive, and there's the
> expense of dismantling and reassembly.
So if that were true, Cessna/Raytheon must have an entire fleet
of pilots in order to fill orders for England, Australia, etc.
Seems like it would be easier just to do the assembly in a few
places around the world.
Jens Krueger
> How do small planes (say, like my Piper Cherokee) get ferried to
> Hawaii from the mainland? Are there any places to land in the Pacific
> between Southern California and Hawaii? Mind you, I'm not thinking
of > trying to do the flight, I was just wondering how they get small
> aircraft from the mainland to Hawaii.
Most of the time they ferry-fly them, it's just cheaper than to ship
them in a container. At one time Cessna had a plant in France to build
their SE 172 and 150 over there. Closed it when sales in Europe dropped,
now they ferry them again. For example, there is a whole industry
established up in new foundland and scotland, ireland to support
ferryflights (Tanks, survival gear, tripplanning etc.).
btw, read http://www.equipped.com/1199ditch.htm for a nice story about a
ferry flight to hawaii that went not so good...
Cheers, Jens
C J Campbell
you bought it at a dealer or someplace like that the dealer often absorbs
the cost of getting the plane to the dealership.
If you want a new Cessna in Australia, you take delivery of it in
Independence and it is your responsibility to get the plane to Australia.
So the ferry pilots are not Cessna employees. They are usually independent
contractors. It is considered a somewhat dangerous business, flying planes
that are still being broken in over long stretches of water in legs that can
last 14 hours or more. Just prepping a small plane with ferry tanks and the
like can take weeks.
I like to talk to ferry pilots. Most of them had some interesting
adventures.
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George R. Patterson III
C J Campbell wrote:
>
> In general, when you buy a new airplane it is "delivered" at the factory. If
> you bought it at a dealer or someplace like that the dealer often absorbs
> the cost of getting the plane to the dealership.
At the time I bought my Maule, Maule Air would deliver the plane within
the continental US for $1.00 per mile plus the cost of return airfare
for their pilot. I don't know what delivery arrangements they would have
made for Hawaii, but I'd bet they would get it there for enough money.
George Patterson, N3162Q.
TThierry
> At one time Cessna had a plant in France to build
> their SE 172 and 150 over there. Closed it when sales in Europe dropped,
> now they ferry them again.
As far as I know, this facility in France was located in Reims (in the
heart of the Champagne area). Production was delocalised there after
several trials Cessna had to face. They considered that the penalties
they had had to pay were to expensive, and decided to stop any
production of light aircrafts on US territory. Aircrafts made in france
were produced by a french compagny on behalf of Cessna, and therefore,
under french laws concerning any prosecution. It stopped when Cessna
decided to produce again light aircrafts in its US plant, but the Reims
factory might start again its production if the 480 million$ fine to be
paid by Cessna is confirmed.
It is true that most of the american single engine aircrafts we have in
Europe (Piper, Cessna...) were ferried by air.
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TThierry
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wrote:
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Jeez, Bob! You've been starting an awful lot of posts this way lately.
Is there something we should know?
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Jens Krueger
Bonsoir Thierry,
>> At one time Cessna had a plant in France to build
>> their SE 172 and 150 over there. Closed it when sales in Europe
>> dropped, now they ferry them again.
>
> As far as I know, this facility in France was located in Reims (in the
> heart of the Champagne area).
It is still there. They're called reims-aviation and are still
manufacturing a Twin-Turboprop (Cessna Caravan II F406) amongst other
activities for Airbus, Dassault and others. You can get more information
about them on their website www.reims-aviation.fr
The so called reims cessnas had the F instead of the C in their model
names, i.e. F172 instead of C172.
> Production was delocalised there after
> several trials Cessna had to face. They considered that the penalties
> they had had to pay were to expensive, and decided to stop any
> production of light aircrafts on US territory. Aircrafts made in
> france were produced by a french compagny on behalf of Cessna, and
> therefore, under french laws concerning any prosecution. It stopped
> when Cessna decided to produce again light aircrafts in its US plant,
In 1989 RA bought the shares held by Cessna back, becoming a 100% french
manufacturer again. Thanks for the background info.
> but the Reims factory might start again its production if the 480
> million$ fine to be paid by Cessna is confirmed.
Cheers, Jens
C J Campbell
deliver a Cessna, it probably runs about the same.
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dennis o'connor
engine over water flying...
Denny
SeeAndAvoid
out what it would take to fly over the water. The shortest
distance I could figure was between Half Moon Bay (HAF)
and Hilo, HA (ITO). Thats 2003nm, in a C182 that'd be
15.5 hours, and 186 gallons. Thats more than double my
fuel capacity, I'd have to add about 650lbs of fuel, which
is easily doable and within max gross.
I met a guy at an FBO in Torrance who ferried planes to
either New Zealand or Australia, was worth it to do so with
the exchange rate or something. Anyway, he said it wasnt
that big a deal to put in the extra tanks. He had a C210 and
a TB20 sitting there that just made the journey.
So its done, I just couldnt take my wife and kids along.
Chris
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