Installing instruments and avionics in small aircraft
Mxsmanic
aircraft?
For example, if you want to install, say, a stereo in your car, it's no big
deal. Lots of stereos seem to be pretty standardized, you just get what you
want and connect a few wires and stuff and its in. How modular and easy is it
in an aircraft?
I presume that when you buy an aircraft new, you get a selection of
instruments on the panel. Is it usually a fixed set, or do you tell the
manufacturer exactly which instruments you want, or what? Can you just
unscrew one instrument and replace it with another? Are connections and
interfaces highly standardized? Do you have to get changes certified or
checked in some way?
Do most pilot/owners have their own eclectic set of instruments, or do most
keep whatever came with the aircraft from the factory? In pictures I've seen
of cockpits it looks like many aircraft are highly individualized, with
various instruments replaced, upgraded, etc. It also looks like at least some
of the mounting and electrical or other connections are standardized to some
degree.
nolonger...@hotmail.com
Removing and installing instruments and avionics is not difficult but
only an authorized mechanic can legally do it.
Only an authorized avionics technician can work on avionics
(repairing).
On purchase of a new aircraft you generally have a wide assortment of
various instruments and avionics from which you may choose.
Ricky
James Sleeman
> Removing and installing instruments and avionics is not difficult but
> only an authorized mechanic can legally do it.
> Only an authorized avionics technician can work on avionics
> (repairing).
Qualifier: in certified aircraft.
Rip
ANTHONY, YOU'RE A BOOR. GO TO A SIM GROUP! Note to all: Mxsmanic
(Anthony) is not a pilot. He has never flown any type of aircraft. At
all. He simulates flight on a computer running Microsoft Flight
Simulator, asks inane questions, and then argues about the answers.
Save your time. Don't answer.
dea...@msn.com
> aircraft?
>
It's a very simple procedure:
1. Open wallet
2. Remove money
Bertie the Bunyip
news:5m88n3p67lf8jgail...@4ax.com:
> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?
>
One, make hole in panel.
Two, insert instrument
three, fasten instrument with screws.
Fjukkwit.
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
Doh!
Bertie
Mxsmanic
> Qualifier: in certified aircraft.
What kinds of aircraft aren't certified? Experimental stuff?
I've seen pictures on the Net of people replacing instruments and stuff as if
they were working on their cars in a garage. I don't know if they are
actually doing the work themselves (which apparently wouldn't be legal, but
people do lots of illegal things), or someone certified is doing it and
somehow they took pictures during the whole time, or maybe their aircraft is
one that isn't certified.
I've seen pictures of all sorts of gadgets strapped and taped in place in
cockpits, too. Does that have to be certified, or is it exempt if it isn't
actually screwed into the panel?
Mxsmanic
> ANTHONY, YOU'RE A BOOR. GO TO A SIM GROUP! Note to all: Mxsmanic
> (Anthony) is not a pilot. He has never flown any type of aircraft. At
> all. He simulates flight on a computer running Microsoft Flight
> Simulator, asks inane questions, and then argues about the answers.
> Save your time. Don't answer.
I've already received an answer. I was pretty sure that there are still
people who can answer questions without throwing tantrums.
Bertie the Bunyip
news:ktd9n3pr2i388628t...@4ax.com:
Awww, assamata wannabeee boi?
Lusing your fan base?
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
news:hod9n3d59cuikh64k...@4ax.com:
> James Sleeman writes:
>
>> Qualifier: in certified aircraft.
>
> What kinds of aircraft aren't certified? Experimental stuff?
>
> I've seen pictures on the Net of people replacing instruments and
> stuff as if they were working on their cars in a garage.
Oh well, case closed then. You seen it on the net.
Bertie
Tina
Rip
See, Anthony. You're STILL an unwanted boor. A statement of fact doth
not a tantrum make, but boors make up their own definitions so that they
can remain boorish.
Mxsmanic
> A statement of fact doth not a tantrum make ...
I agree, and I got that. Case closed.
John Mazor
"Mxsmanic" <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> I've already received an answer. I was pretty sure that there are still
> people who can answer questions without throwing tantrums.
Too bad you're not one of them.
John Mazor
Looking to spiff up your monitor for MSFS?
Be advised that screwing any gadget to your monitor will void the warranty. Use Velcro.
JGalban via AviationKB.com
Another qualifier : Slide-in replacement radios (except transponders) can
be removed and installed in production aircraft by the owner/operator.
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
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nobody
> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?
Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily available.
Installation instructions vary.
Snowbird
"Mxsmanic" wrote ..
> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
> aircraft?
>
Take the opportunity:
Use Google to learn, then tell us. This is your unique chance to prove you
might actually make a contribution to this community. The answer is out
there, free for you to search. Use the freedom of Internet to reach it and
achieve something.
george
The lame consulting a LAME eh
Bertie the Bunyip
news:fboan3dmukeqj7vuv...@4ax.com:
> Rip writes:
>
>> A statement of fact doth not a tantrum make ...
>
> I agree, and I got that.
Uh, I don't think so.
> Case closed.
You wish.
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
news:Sdfdj.272905$6O4....@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi:
Remember the first sign of mental illness is thinking you can change
Anthony.
Bertie
Snowbird
"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote
> "Snowbird" wrote
>>
>> "Mxsmanic" wrote ..
>>> What's the procedure for installing instruments and avionics in small
>>> aircraft?
>>>
>>
>> Take the opportunity:
>>
>> Use Google to learn, then tell us. This is your unique chance to
>> prove you might actually make a contribution to this community. The
>> answer is out there, free for you to search. Use the freedom of
>> Internet to reach it and achieve something.
>
> Remember the first sign of mental illness is thinking you can change
> Anthony.
>
Well, that symptom fits quite many of this group's posters, so I'm not that
concerned.
(Which probably is the second sign of.... ;-)
Bertie the Bunyip
news:1jqdj.273038$6o7.2...@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi:
True. But if one person is deluded, it's insanity. If many are deluded,
it's a religion.
I can't remember who said that, but I like it.
Bertie
Mxsmanic
> Too bad you're not one of them.
That depends on the question.
Mxsmanic
> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily available.
> Installation instructions vary.
Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course. I just
replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I like better, but
at least the latter is an accurate simulation, whereas the former does involve
a few compromises.
Bertie the Bunyip
news:co5dn3d9ugtdfv5dn...@4ax.com:
> John Mazor writes:
>
>> Too bad you're not one of them.
>
> That depends on the question.
>
No, it doesn't
Bertie
Bertie the Bunyip
news:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04a...@4ax.com:
> nobody writes:
>
>> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> procedures in real life.
Tina
replacement of components mimics real life. That person as best is
known here has never sat in a cockpit of an airplane, no has had the
opportunity to replace such components in real life.
The professional term we'd is is 'dilusional'.
.
On Dec 29, 2:20 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
> Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote innews:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04a...@4ax.com:
Bertie the Bunyip
news:cb1e3ed2-7235-4a36...@i72g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
> There is an underlying assumption that the one who asserted simulated
> replacement of components mimics real life. That person as best is
> known here has never sat in a cockpit of an airplane, no has had the
> opportunity to replace such components in real life.
>
> The professional term we'd is is 'dilusional'.
>
> .
>
Isn't that "delusional"?
I'd imagine dilusional would be something else altogether.
Might be what Ken has.
If you haven'tmet ken yet, you owe yourself a trip over to RAS to see him
in action.
Bertie
FlyCh...@gmail.com
>
> I've seen pictures of all sorts of gadgets strapped and taped in place in
> cockpits, too. Does that have to be certified, or is it exempt if it isn't
> actually screwed into the panel?
It appears that the FAA considers attachment mechanisms such as
Velcro, clamps, duct tape, bubble gum, etc. to be temporary and
therefore acceptable for a non-certified individual to use to
temporarily install equipment. I think one key is the TEMPORARY
nature of the attachment, it is expected that the installing pilot
will remove it before some other pilot flies the plane, thereby
returning the aircraft to the condition described in the airplane
flight manual.
Dave
One good question, then 4+ good answers, all correct.
Then a whole bunch of noise..... :)
Further to these answers, the minor tightning of knobs and brackets,
removal of knobs to allow the removal ofcosmetic trim etc. that DO
NOT include removal of flight controls or structure are also
permitted to be done by the owner/ pilot as well.
Dave
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:46:32 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dan_Thom...@yahoo.com
> I just
> replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I like better, but
> at least the latter is an accurate simulation, whereas the former does involve
> a few compromises.
Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
Dan
Bertie the Bunyip
> nobody writes:
Good grief.
Bertie
William Hung
> Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote innews:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04a...@4ax.com:
Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
here?
Wil
Roger (K8RI)
wrote:
There is an animated GIF that looks like an shaking head emoticon, but
emoticon? I guess we are just stuck with <shakes head>, <say
what ?>, or <huh?> <:-))
Simulating the legality of changing instruments? <shakes head> <:-))
Roger (K8RI)
> Dan
Dan_Thom...@yahoo.com
> > Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
>
> There is an animated GIF that looks like an shaking head emoticon, but
> emoticon? I guess we are just stuck with <shakes head>, <say
> what ?>, or <huh?> <:-))
>
> Simulating the legality of changing instruments? <shakes head> <:-))
Dunno. Somehow <shakes head> just doesn't cut it. I really wish
the groups host (Google?) would get into the 21st century and allow
more than just text here. There are numerous times I've wished I could
include a drawing with a post, or a small photo.
Or the sound of someone laughing himself to death. Or a
raspberry. A groan. Or a barfing sound. You know--the sort of things
that would add immensely to the conversation.
Maybe I'm too much of a redneck.
Dan
george
>
> Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
> ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
> here?
>
I seriously doubt it.
I showed several of his messages to some odd (they're still flying)
mates of mine.
The comments about mixedup didn't even get to the "FFS" level of
comment.
Mxsmanic
> Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
You might wish to review the state of simulation before shaking your head.
For some of the instruments I'm using, the accuracy is such that there is no
documentation from the developer of the simulation, because you can just
download the real documentation for the instrument and consult that.
This is very useful to people who need to train themselves in the use of a
specific flight instrument before actually buying and installing it.
Bertie the Bunyip
news:p2khn350tjdo1qm05...@4ax.com:
> Dan_Thom...@yahoo.com writes:
>
>> Folks, is there an emoticon depicting a shaking head?
>
> You might wish to review the state of simulation before shaking your
> head. For some of the instruments I'm using, the accuracy is such that
> there is no documentation from the developer of the simulation,
How the fuck would you know, you moron?
You don;'t fly.
Bertie
Dave
I thought of the same possibility a few months ago.....
We have to allow for the possibility that anyone here may be very
different in real life than our "on line" personalities...
It would not be the first time..
Great entertainment tho....
:)
Dave
Maxwell
"William Hung" <hun...@aircav.com> wrote in message
news:d052eb3f-6a2c-4d38...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Hey William, why the sudden cross post to include the whole world?
Bertie the Bunyip
> On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04af463umntj03is8
> q...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > nobody writes:
>>
>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>
>> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels
>> > similar
>
>> > procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course.
> I
>> > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I
>> > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
>> > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>>
>> Good grief.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
> ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
> here?
Hmm, possible, but unlikely. He'd have been spotted, I think .
Good idea, though!
Bertie
nobody
news:p2khn350tjdo1qm05...@4ax.com...
If you recall, the subject in INSTALLING instruments, not USING them.
Do they properly simulate improper antenna placement?
How do you map the skin of the aircraft for a Strikefinder Install. I've
seen mechanics use an old am radio. Does someone make an old am radio add-on
for your simulator?
Bertie the Bunyip
news:%x8ej.352136$kj1.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
But he doesn;t know how to use them , either!
Bertie
William Hung
>
> - Show quoted text -
Don't know, I just hit 'Reply' and there it is.
Wil
John Mazor
"William Hung" <hun...@aircav.com> wrote in message
news:d052eb3f-6a2c-4d38...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote innews:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04a...@4ax.com:
>
> > nobody writes:
>
> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>
> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels similar
> > procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of course. I
> > just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure which one I
> > like better, but at least the latter is an accurate simulation,
> > whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>
> Good grief.
>
> Bertie
- Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
- ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in here?
If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline job, he would have
applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.
Bertie the Bunyip
news:wwbej.40447$NL5.20581@trnddc05:
>
> "William Hung" <hun...@aircav.com> wrote in message
> news:d052eb3f-6a2c-4d38...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com.
> .. On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
>> Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote
>> innews:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04a...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > nobody writes:
>>
>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>
>> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels
>> > similar procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive, of
>> > course. I just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not sure
>> > which one I like better, but at least the latter is an accurate
>> > simulation, whereas the former does involve a few compromises.
>>
>> Good grief.
>>
>> Bertie
>
> - Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well qualified
> - ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really knows what in
> here?
>
> If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline
> job, he would have applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.
>
Oh yeah. I can se him elbow to elbow with our mechanics. They'd eat him for
lunch.
Bertie
John Mazor
"Bertie the Bunyip" <Sn@rt.1> wrote in message
news:Xns9A17C80D455...@207.14.116.130...
He's anxiously waiting for Microsoft to come out with Airline Mechanic Simulator. It
would be on the Wii so you could physically emulate the wrench turning.
Bertie the Bunyip
>
> "Bertie the Bunyip" <Sn@rt.1> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A17C80D455...@207.14.116.130...
>> "John Mazor" <maz...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> news:wwbej.40447$NL5.20581@trnddc05:
>>
>>>
>>> "William Hung" <hun...@aircav.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d052eb3f-6a2c-4d38-b073-
b685c6...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.co
>>> m. .. On Dec 30, 8:00 pm, Bertie the Bunyip <S...@rt.1> wrote:
>>>> Mxsmanic <mxsma...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> innews:uo5dn3lvcmrkop04a...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>> > nobody writes:
>>>>
>>>> >> Panel design add-ons for Microsoft Flight Simulator are readily
>>>> >> available. Installation instructions vary.
>>>>
>>>> > Yes, I'm using those now. I find it amusing that it parallels
>>>> > similar procedures in real life. Only it's much less expensive,
>>>> > of course. I just replaced a KFC225 with a S-TEC 55X. I'm not
>>>> > sure which one I like better, but at least the latter is an
>>>> > accurate simulation, whereas the former does involve a few
>>>> > compromises.
>>>>
>>>> Good grief.
>>>>
>>>> Bertie
>>>
>>> - Wouldn't it be funny if MX is in reality a high time well
>>> qualified - ATP and he's just playing around and seeing who really
>>> knows what in here?
>>>
>>> If he ever really did have a snowball's chance of getting an airline
>>> job, he would have applied to become a mechanic, not a pilot.
>>>
>>
>> Oh yeah. I can se him elbow to elbow with our mechanics. They'd eat
>> him for lunch.
>
> He's anxiously waiting for Microsoft to come out with Airline Mechanic
> Simulator. It would be on the Wii so you could physically emulate the
> wrench turning.
>
keyboard!
Bertie
>
>
>
Rich Ahrens
But who would buy it for him?
Dan_Thom...@yahoo.com
> Dan_Thomas_nos...@yahoo.com schrieb:
>
> > Dunno. Somehow <shakes head> just doesn't cut it. I really wish
> > the groups host (Google?)
>
>
> > would get into the 21st century and allow
> > more than just text here.
>
>
> > There are numerous times I've wished I could
> > include a drawing with a post, or a small photo.
>
>
> > Or the sound of someone laughing himself to death. Or a
> > raspberry. A groan. Or a barfing sound. You know--the sort of things
> > that would add immensely to the conversation.
>
> webbased thingy) or to a forum.
Got to be so nasty? I don't know much about computers or the
internet or usenet or anything else in cyberspace, and I suppose it
shows. I enjoy the give-and-take of the discussions and only if
someone persists in posting erroneous information do I lose my
patience. You give me no slack at all.
And Google is what I use for the groups. I understand that there
are others who use newsreaders or email-based stuff, but that's all I
know. I'm a 54-year-old Commercial Pilot/Instructor/Aviation College
teacher and aircraft mechanic, not a keyboard whiz. There are other
things to do that become a digital whiz, like building and flying
airpl;anes and boats and old trucks. You know, the *real* world out
there.
Dan
Snapper
>> > Dunno. Somehow <shakes head> just doesn't cut it. I really wish
>> > the groups host (Google?)
>> > more than just text here.
Sorry Dan, just 'ol timer mutterings. Back in the dark ages America On Line
gave their users access to newsgroups and we had to endured years of inane
AOL requests/comments. Now it's Google folk we grump at when we're tired.
To answer your question, newsgroups are by definition text based so we have
to rely on ":-)", "<big grin>", "::smirk::" etc. to convey non-text
information. As mentioned, there are web based and other new fangled
internet things (so I've heard!) that allow fancier conversations.
> I'm a 54-year-old Commercial Pilot/Instructor/Aviation College
> teacher and aircraft mechanic, not a keyboard whiz. There are other
> things to do that become a digital whiz, like building and flying
> airpl;anes and boats and old trucks. You know, the *real* world out
> there.
Too true. Newsgroups have their use but they ain't real world.
Regards,
David Varidel
-----
There are 10 types of people in this world - those who use binary, and those
who don't.
Roger (K8RI)
wrote:
>Dan_Thom...@yahoo.com schrieb:
>
>> Got to be so nasty?
>
>well, sorry - but the 'big masses' washing in through this
>google-usenet-interface makes me think that the neverending September is
>coming back.
>
>> I don't know much about computers or the
>> internet or usenet or anything else in cyberspace, and I suppose it
>> shows.
>
>no, not really. :-)
>most of the internet/usenet users care next to nothing about what they
>use or what they do. This compares to a pilot who jumpes on a plane
>without checklist and turns on every knob and kicks every switch without
>knowing what he does.
>It isn't really that hard to read up the basics, and it doesn't take
>much time, too.
>
>> I enjoy the give-and-take of the discussions and only if
>> someone persists in posting erroneous information do I lose my
>> patience. You give me no slack at all.
>> And Google is what I use for the groups. I understand that there
>> are others who use newsreaders or email-based stuff, but that's all I
>> know.
>
>using usenet through a webbased frontend is the second best way to
>access the groups.
I prefer the text base *stuff* as it is less likely to contain
termites. It's the same reason my e-mail reader is "text only" as HTML
e-mail can be dangerous.
>
>> I'm a 54-year-old Commercial Pilot/Instructor/Aviation College
>> teacher and aircraft mechanic, not a keyboard whiz.
I was only slightly younger than that when I graduated from College
and started a new career( quit work and went back to college full time
at age 47 ). I did teach in college as a GA, but a good job offer came
along which ended my attempt at a masters in CS.
>
>well then, welcome to usenet. <bg> The climate is sometimes cold.
Cold, hot, and sometimes...even in between.
>
>> There are other
>> things to do that become a digital whiz, like building and flying
>> airpl;anes and boats and old trucks.
Do 'em all. <:-))
>
>hmm.
>
>> You know, the *real* world out
>> there.
>
>you're sure?
><http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000612>
Now retired, having worked as a project manager installing large
networked computer systems, a developmental analyst, and sys admin
with a degree in computer science (earned at age 50) in my last
incarnation I'd say the link shows reality for a fair number in the
profession.
OTOH I fly ( http://www.rogerhalstead.com/833R/833R_frame.htm and am
instrument rated) , am building a Glasair III
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/G3_files/GIII_Diary.htm, Amateur Radio
Operator (Extra class)
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/boatanch.htm (constructed my
own tower and antenna system
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/tower.htm ) and still do my own
climbing. http://www.rogerhalstead.com/ham_files/Tower29.htm although
it takes me a lot longer to get "up there" than it used to. Also a
couple of hours up there is about it compared to spending most of the
day working on a tower.
In a previous life, or it seems like it, I was an instrument
technician for over 26 years and prior to that I farmed until age 21.
At that point I figured there had to be a better way to make a living.
I find, if a person puts their mind to it they can do lots of things
albeit sometimes accompanied by a lack of sleep.
Roger
>
>> Dan
>>
>
> ;-)
>
>#m
Dan_Thom...@yahoo.com
> > You know, the *real* world out
> > there.
>
Good cartoon. I know people like that. They buy SUVs and then
are scared when they get off the pavement. Probably couldn't start a
campfire and roast a wiener. They're the ones that'll be afraid of
mice but will try to feed the bears.
Dan