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ekal...@tampabay.rr.com

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Mar 14, 2001, 1:03:27 AM3/14/01
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Planning on flying to the Bahamas. How do you get the Radio Station
License and the Radio Operator's permit? Anyone who has flown recently,
Please help me with some details. Thanks in advance.

Chris

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Mar 14, 2001, 2:24:39 AM3/14/01
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What you want is the FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit. FCC-753L
Go to the fcc website (www.fcc.gov I think) and navigate through their forms
to get the paperwork. In the end you mail them $35 and you get a license
that never expires and doesn't seem to teach you anything.

Chris

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Rod Farlee

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Mar 14, 2001, 2:38:17 AM3/14/01
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"ekal...@tampabay.rr.com" <ekal...@tampabay.rr.com> writes:
>Planning on flying to the Bahamas. How do you get the Radio Station
>License and the Radio Operator's permit?

See http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/aviation/fctsht4.html

However, no one in either the US or Bahamas cares whether you
have one or not.
The US FCC provides this license to comply with ICAO standards.
However, the Bahamas doesn't care at all whether you have it.
So it's truly the most useless piece of paper you'd ever own.

ekal...@tampabay.rr.com

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Mar 14, 2001, 8:45:15 AM3/14/01
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Thanks for the info. How about the Radio Station License for the
aircraft? I that needed?

Ron Natalie

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Mar 14, 2001, 9:56:20 AM3/14/01
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Chris wrote:
>
> What you want is the FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit. FCC-753L
> Go to the fcc website (www.fcc.gov I think) and navigate through their forms
> to get the paperwork. In the end you mail them $35 and you get a license
> that never expires and doesn't seem to teach you anything.
>

The station license are availble on this form:
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form605/605.pdf
The fee is $120.00

The operators license itself can be applied for on this form
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form753/753Fill.pdf
The fee is $50.00

You also have to use form 159 to send in the fees.
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form159/159.pdf

Help from a human is available at 888-225-5322

Rod Farlee

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Mar 14, 2001, 4:05:06 PM3/14/01
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"ekal...@tampabay.rr.com" <ekal...@tampabay.rr.com> writes:
>Thanks for the info. How about the Radio Station License for the
>aircraft? I that needed?

>> See http://www.fcc.gov/wtb/aviation/fctsht4.html

Same reply.
Per FCC rules, yes.
In reality, no, neither the US nor Bahamas gives the slightest hoot.

The Jepp guide tells the whole story on what Bahamas do require:
"6.2.2 General Declaration 2 copies (cargo manifest 2 copies)"
"6.2.3 Transire to operate within the Bahamas"
"6.4.1 Flight plan is adequate advance notice of arrival"
"6.4.2 No documents in addition to those mentioned under 6.2.2
are required in the case of an aircraft remaining for a period of
up to 8 months." None. Not insurance, not radio licenses.

The US, Canada and Bahamas don't require aircraft radio licenses for
domestic use, and don't enforce any requirement for international use.
They've talked about formally reciprocally abolishing them, but haven't
yet.
So if you want to send the US Treasury extra money, they'll take it,
and send you a piece of paper you'll file and never look at again.
Under Bush, such voluntary contributions as FCC licenses will be
our only remaining contribution towards reducing the national debt!

ekal...@tampabay.rr.com

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Mar 16, 2001, 5:35:25 PM3/16/01
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Thanks, all you guys who have contributed excellent practical advice.

Flavio Komuves wrote:

> The Restricted Radiotelephone Permit is good for life; the station license
> has a 5-year duration. I just spent $170 on the set a couple of weeks ago
> in anticipation of a trip to Canada. Form 159, however, is a bear to
> complete as the instructions about all the necessary codes to fill in are
> unclear at best.
>
> Although not exactly on topic, make sure to investigate all the domestic and
> foreign Customs requirements as well. AOPA advised me that to make sure
> your a** is completely covered as to US Customs, (1) obtain a name and badge
> number of the inspector when making your phone call to get permission to
> cross the border and land; (2) use a calling card to make your call to
> Customs to provide further verification that you actually made the call; and
> (3) use ADCUS in the flight plan.


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Rod Farlee

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Mar 17, 2001, 3:13:59 AM3/17/01
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"Flavio Komuves" <flavio....@att.net> writes:
>(2) use a calling card to make your call to Customs to provide further
>verification that you actually made the call...

Has anyone here ever found a phone on or near any airport in the
Bahamas that:
1) accepts calling cards?
2) accepts 1-800-CALL-ATT, or any other 800-number?
3) even has a dial tone most of the time?

What works is air filing through Miami Radio's RCOs, with 1 hour
advance notice of ADIZ entry, and with ADCUS.
US Customs in South Florida actually works the way it is should.
Wish Customs elsewhere was as good!

Flavio Komuves

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Mar 15, 2001, 12:11:43 AM3/15/01
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The Restricted Radiotelephone Permit is good for life; the station license
has a 5-year duration. I just spent $170 on the set a couple of weeks ago
in anticipation of a trip to Canada. Form 159, however, is a bear to
complete as the instructions about all the necessary codes to fill in are
unclear at best.

Although not exactly on topic, make sure to investigate all the domestic and
foreign Customs requirements as well. AOPA advised me that to make sure
your a** is completely covered as to US Customs, (1) obtain a name and badge
number of the inspector when making your phone call to get permission to
cross the border and land; (2) use a calling card to make your call to
Customs to provide further verification that you actually made the call; and
(3) use ADCUS in the flight plan.

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Capt.Doug

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Mar 19, 2001, 2:27:59 AM3/19/01
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You don't know the three number code to access ATT for collect calls? It
works on many pay phones.
Also, 1-800-Wx Brief works on most phones to access Miami FSS. I used to
call Miami FSS from the pay phone outside Customs in Exuma routinely. It
works from just about every major island.

D.

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