PILOT SLANG WANTED by author
Jerry Dunn
professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney animators,
waitresses, mobsters, surfers, car salesmen, police officers, Frisbee
players, off-road bike riders, and more.
Examples: Bowlers call a gutterball a "poodle." Funeral directors call
a simple cremation a "shake-and-bake." A waitress who零 way behind says
"I'm in the weeds." An animator's gag in which a character jumps up and
spins his feet in the air before running away is a "Yogi run," after Yogi
Bear. To game show staffers a "Bambi" is a contestant who freezes in
front of the camera like a deer caught in a car's headlights." To tabloid
writers, a "Hey, Martha" is a story that will be talked about across the
country, as in "Hey, Martha, did you see the story about Elvis and the
alien in the Enquirer?"
What lingo do YOU use to talk about flying, other planes, pilots, air
traffic controllers, bad situations (another plane too close, etc.),
speed, approaches, commercial airlines and airline passengers, flight
attendants, etc., etc.?
PLEASE e-mail them to me. My address is jer...@rain.org.
I'll be happy to credit you by name in the book. I'll also post a
summary to your newsgroup. With many thanks! -- Jerry
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Jerry Dunn
jer...@rain.org
Ed Figuli
>
>Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots -- both
>professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
>1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney
animators,
I've heard the term "circuits and bumps" used to describe takeoffs and
landings. Sometimes I hear people counting when I'm doing the takeoffs
and landings....
Ed Figuli
N5353Q @ 69N
C150/150 Taildragger
GARRETT C. STUMB
>jer...@rain.org (Jerry Dunn) says:
>>
>>Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots -- both
>>professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
>>1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney
>animators,
touch and go: crash and dash
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Ted Gallop
>>Subject: Re: PILOT SLANG WANTED by author
>>
>>Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots -- both
>>professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
>>1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney
>animators,
>I've heard the term "circuits and bumps" used to describe takeoffs and
>landings. Sometimes I hear people counting when I'm doing the takeoffs
>and landings....
When I was young we preferred the term "crashes and dashes". !
Did you hear about the two gay pilots??
They kissed each other behind the hangers !
Larry Shilkoff
both
>professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster,
Fall
>1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney
>animators,
>
In helicopters:
With regard to the hardware that connects the main rotor to its shaft:
Jesus Nut
The shaft itself: Moses Pole
Joseph D. Mazza
by author by Jerry Du...@rain.org
> professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
> 1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney animators,
> players, off-road bike riders, and more.
A too low approach to landing requiring a lot of power at the end (esp
in a jet) is called a "worm burner."
To crash and die is to "buy the farm."
A hard landing is a "tooth rattler."
A smooth landing is a "greaser."
To eject is to "punch out." Sometimes called "getting rid of" a
misbehaving jet.
To apply the brakes hard is to "get on the binders."
To acknowledge that you see another aircraft that someone asked you to
look out for you say "tally ho" or just "tally." (E.g., "Navy XD-03 this
Mugu Approach, do you have the Cessna 150 in your two o'clock, low?"
"Mugu, Zero 3, tally ho." If Zero 3 were in the clouds and unable to see
it would report that it was "popeye" instead.
Etc., etc., etc.
-----Joe
Phaedra A Hise
: in a jet) is called a "worm burner."
: To crash and die is to "buy the farm."
or "auger in," or "punch a hole"
: A smooth landing is a "greaser."
or "greasing it in"
: To acknowledge that you see another aircraft that someone asked you to
: look out for you say "tally ho" or just "tally." (E.g., "Navy XD-03 this
: Mugu Approach, do you have the Cessna 150 in your two o'clock, low?"
: "Mugu, Zero 3, tally ho." If Zero 3 were in the clouds and unable to see
: it would report that it was "popeye" instead.
you also say "no joy" if you don't see traffic
quick descent = "chop and drop"
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"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are." --Buckaroo Bonzai
Daniel C. Wroe, VAX Operations
feathers first.
Also on ejecting: When all else fails, fly Martin-Bakker(sp).
(or insert your favorite ejection seat brand)
You might also ask the same question on rec.models.rc.
(Smoking hole, taking a divot, plowing a furrow, gopher killer, dumb thumbs,
figure-9, re-kit, styro-snow, breaking the ground barrier, ugliness drag,
gloss divergence, wing-under, monokote thunder, glitched.)
-"Skid" Wroe
Henry Kisor
Crow-hopper: A landing (usu. too fast) that results in the plane doing
ever-diminishing bounces as it loses speed
Bump-and-run: A crash-and-dash in Wisconsin (Green Bay Packer country)
Sphincter smasher: A hard landing that scares hell out of your
instructor
-
HENRY KISOR FSA...@prodigy.com
Mark Ambrose
>From: jer...@rain.org (Jerry Dunn)
>Subject: PILOT SLANG WANTED by author
>Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 12:47:32 -0800
>Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots -- both
>professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
>1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney animators,
>waitresses, mobsters, surfers, car salesmen, police officers, Frisbee
>players, off-road bike riders, and more.
> snip
"Whistles, lights and bells" refer to the various array of dials and gagets in
the cockpit.
"Fold away feet" = retractable landing gear
"FLIB" = pronounced as it looks, = Fucking little iterate bastard (from ATC
usually referring to a single engine general aviation type transiting through
your airspace)
"BUF" = Big Ugly Fucker (from U. S. Air Force referring to a
B-52 bomber)
"Fat Albert" = (U. S. Air Force referring to a C-5 galaxy)
"Crash and Dash" = a touch and go landing
"Dead Heading" = referring to flying a charter flight back to base without
passengers.
"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
- the joke is...if you don't reckon right, you're dead.
Sorry for the profanity. There are probably others, but these come to mind.
Sounds like a cool book. I'd buy one.
Mark Ambrose
Maryland
Jeffrey E. Moersch
> What lingo do YOU use to talk about flying, other planes, pilots, air
> traffic controllers, bad situations (another plane too close, etc.),
> speed, approaches, commercial airlines and airline passengers, flight
> attendants, etc., etc.?
When you're talking to one controller and you want to temporarily
switch frequencies (e.g., to get a weather report), you can tell the
controller what you want to do and that you'll "pogo this freq"
(pronounced "freak"), meaning that you'll bounce back to his frequency
momentarily.
Another one that I didn't see mentioned yet - flying in the clouds is
usually referred to as flying "in the soup."
When you don't see the traffic that a controller tells you to look
for, you can reply "no joy."
Any bit of useful information to a pilot is sometimes referred to as
"gouge" (I think I spelled that right...). E.g.: "Give me the gouge
on landing at Catalina."
You should talk with some military pilots - they tend to use a lot of
these sorts of terms. My primary instructor was a USMC F-18 pilot and
he was a fountain of interesting jargon (some of which you definitely
wouldn't want to print).
Jeff Moersch
PP-ASEL, AMEL, G, I-A
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Ron Natalie
: I've heard the term "circuits and bumps" used to describe takeoffs and
: landings. Sometimes I hear people counting when I'm doing the takeoffs
: and landings....
That tends to be a British expression for shooting repeated touch and
goes (which makes sense because what is referred to as the "pattern"
in the US is the "circuit" in the UK.
-Ron
Dave Smith
>>>professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
>>>1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney
>>animators,
Lots of the slang often refers to situations where "the outcome is in
serious doubt" ;-)
Panic rack --> Ejection seat
Hit the silk --> Bailout
Gone for a Burton --> Crashed (and died)
(This one is probably little known on the "wrong side of the pond" outside
of old USAAF WWII aircrews. It's in relatively common use in Britain,
but has migrated outside of aviation into everyday parlance.
The origin is interesting. Burton's was/is a large
brewery (Burton-on-Trent, England). Their "wallop" (beer of dubious
quality) was flogged in pubs all over the country in WWII.
An aircrew missing - presumed dead - after a sortie were
said to "have gone for a Burton's".
Ron Natalie
: >"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
: This is properly spelled "ded reckoning", though hardly anyone does so.
: It's short for "deduced reckoning". Properly done, one periodically
: determines the winds aloft by flying a course which eliminates drift to
: determine direction and then a course 90 degrees perpendicular to it to
: determine speed.
Well this is the Jeppesen (probably some dammed FAA AC started it) party
line, but there are a number of experts that will argue the etymology
of this. There's just as much evidence that the word is supposed to
be "Dead" and not having any relationship to "deduced."
-Ron
William D. Turcotte, D.O.
To the glider rider or ultralight pilot the rest of the aviation community
flies HEAVY METAL which does no more than BORE HOLES IN THE AIR.
Bill
no credit needed
David Kuechenmeister
: Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots -- both
: professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
: 1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney animators,
: players, off-road bike riders, and more.
Around the ship there is the penalty box, the area on the starboard side
where the SAR helo is flying; Vulture's row, on the island where you can
watch operations on the flight deck, and quite a bit more that I can't
remember.
Good luck,
--
Dave Kuechenmeister |
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Mark Kaminsky
>Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots -- both
>professional and recreational. It's for my book (Simon & Schuster, Fall
>1995) on the lingo of different subgroups in America -- Disney animators,
Piper Tomahawk (trainer plane) "TRAUMAhawk"
Cessna Inline twin Cessna "Mixmaster"
(one prop in front, second in back)
Landing too fast "Hot landing"
Being allowed to take the controls - getting some "stick time"
--
Mark B. Kaminsky, kami...@acm.org
patterson,george r
Mark Ambrose <Mark_A...@ccmail.gsfc.nasa.gov> wrote:
>"FLIB" = pronounced as it looks, = F...ing little iterate bastard (from ATC
^^^^^^^
That's "itinerant".
>"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
This is properly spelled "ded reckoning", though hardly anyone does so.
It's short for "deduced reckoning". Properly done, one periodically
determines the winds aloft by flying a course which eliminates drift to
determine direction and then a course 90 degrees perpendicular to it to
determine speed. One can then deduce one's position. It was widely used
on over-ocean flights before modern navaids, and you can find complete
descriptions in books about the pioneer flights. If you actually use
the winds aloft forecast in this area, you will be lost in no time; I've
never found them to be correct.
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Kevin R. Kirtley (SVER)
Pucker Factor = inverse of sphincter opening
e.g. Pucker factor of 10 = closed shut
Useage: Pilot 1 : "The DE pulled an engine at rotation."
Pilot 2 : "Wow, the pucker factor must have been 9.5"
Kevin
SWPL
Henry Kisor
>
>In article <jerryd-0105...@port05.ventura.rain.org>,
jer...@rain.org (Jerry Dunn) says:
>On the beach=lost flying status
>pulled his ticket= can't fly for medical or legal reasons
>indian country=below 10,000ft
>popeye=instrument met. conditions
>turn & burn=starting an engine (jet)
>heavy chevy=use to mean B707 now means B747
>whale=B747
>3-holer or hog=B727
>quiche-wagon=B737-200
>Vacume-cleaner=B737-300
>Turbo Vac=B737-400
>Fuel-noise converter=BAC1-11
>gueese=passengers
>sky hags=self explanatory
>vampires=crews who fly from sunset to sunrise
>over the pond=across the atlantic
>flying in the sand-pit=flying down R19 in the middle east
>
>Got tons more. Hopes this helps
Terrific! Please keep them coming! Pilot slang is wonderful stuff!
-
HENRY KISOR FSA...@prodigy.com
Mark Burrell
The Gill Air Shorts 330s' here at Newcastle are 'sheds', for obvious reasons.
Shorts 330 crew are therefore 'shed-drivers'
Mark
Anton Verhulst
>> traffic controllers, bad situations (another plane too close, etc.),
>
>these sorts of terms. My primary instructor was a USMC F-18 pilot and
>he was a fountain of interesting jargon (some of which you definitely
>wouldn't want to print).
A couple of years ago there was an article in _Flying_ by a charter pilot who
used to fly Learjets at/by/through US Navy convoys so that the gunners could
practice tracking aircraft. Doing it with the Lear was cheaper than doing
the same thing with an F14. When approaching the convoy, the exchange with
the navy controller aboard the carrier would go something like this:
"Learjet 1234, when you get a sweet lock on my father, bring it on up to
angels 22, anchor to starboard and strangle your parrot. Try me on the
secondary. If no joy, pogo."
Translation: Learjet 1234, when you get a good signal on my TACAN transmitter,
climb to 22,000 feet, enter a right holding patern and turn off your
transponder. Contact me on the secondary frequency. If that doesn't work,
switch back to the primary.
Howzat for slang?
Tony V.
"
patterson,george r
Ron Natalie <r...@topaz.sensor.com> wrote:
>patterson,george r (pat...@dasher.cc.bellcore.com) wrote:
>: >"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
>: This is properly spelled "ded reckoning", though hardly anyone does so.
>: It's short for "deduced reckoning". Properly done, one periodically
>: determines the winds aloft by flying a course which eliminates drift to
>: determine direction and then a course 90 degrees perpendicular to it to
>: determine speed.
>
>line, but there are a number of experts that will argue the etymology
>of this. There's just as much evidence that the word is supposed to
>be "Dead" and not having any relationship to "deduced."
Actually, I got this from a book written by one of the pilots of the
"Southern Cross" who used this technique to make the first crossing of
the Pacific Ocean. Predates the FAA and Jeppesen by a good bit.
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their time at the lower altitudes.
Frank
Frank Hardy
Craig Wall
>
>patterson,george r (pat...@dasher.cc.bellcore.com) wrote:
>: >"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
>
>: This is properly spelled "ded reckoning", though hardly anyone does so.
>: It's short for "deduced reckoning". Properly done, one periodically
>: determines the winds aloft by flying a course which eliminates drift to
>: determine direction and then a course 90 degrees perpendicular to it to
>: determine speed.
>
>Well this is the Jeppesen (probably some dammed FAA AC started it) party
>line, but there are a number of experts that will argue the etymology
>of this. There's just as much evidence that the word is supposed to
>be "Dead" and not having any relationship to "deduced."
>
Well, no, Ron, actually anyone who thinks it wasn't derived from
deduced reckoning is just flat *wrong*, since deduced reckoning
is and was a *marine* navigation technique that preceded aviation
by a couple of hundred years.
Sheesh.
Craig Wall
.
Tom Dawes-Gamble
Spam Can = Metal aircraft
IFR = "I Follow Roads"
Sucker Gap = A break in the weather that doesn't last long.
Tango Uniform = "Tits Up"
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Hewlett Packard. Royal Mail: Cain Road, Bracknell, RG12 1HN
Response Centre. Voice Mail: +44 1344 368767
G3 Fax: +44 1344 361737
G-ATAG is a Jodel 1050 /*Bent Wings are Best*/
Joseph D. Mazza
pilots tend to fly. As airline pilots descend from the more tightly
controlled higher flight levels into lower altitudes where IFR and VFR
traffic mix they are entering "Indian Country" and have to keep a sharp
visual lookout for traffic, often Cherokees, Comaches, Seminoles, etc.,
(all names of smaller private aircraft).
-----Joe
Carl Stevens (e00680)
snip..
: Tango Uniform = "Tits Up"
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: G3 Fax: +44 1344 361737
: G-ATAG is a Jodel 1050 /*Bent Wings are Best*/
Also: Whiskey Delta = Weak D^^k (Sometimes Lima Delta)a
Sierra Hotel = S^^t Hot
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cste...@ladc.lockheed.com _\_/^\_/_
(use this as the one on From: is wrong) _____/_/_/|\_\_\_____
My opinions are my own.
Candace Heath
after a particularly long flight
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che...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
*The sky is NOT the limit!*
Tony Tyrwhitt-Drake
>
>patterson,george r (pat...@dasher.cc.bellcore.com) wrote:
>: >"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
>
>: This is properly spelled "ded reckoning", though hardly anyone does so.
>: It's short for "deduced reckoning".
"Deduced from the reckoning" was the original nautical expression.
This method of navigation goes most of the way back to Noah.
Each tack, or leg of a sailing ship's passage was recorded on the slate
during each watch (4 hours ). This record would be of heading and distance
on each tack. At the end of the watch, the watch officer would,
using a set of tables called 'traverse tables' calculate the
net effect of the various courses in terms of difference of
latitude and longitude. This was then applied to the ship's
previously calculated position, and the new position entered
in the written log. Against this new position, the words
"Deduced from the reckoning" would be written, often
shortened to "Ded. from the reckoning" or even just DR
Such methods were only employed when no other method of
fixing the ship's position were available.
Will Outlaw
thread.
My favorite is "Carbon units" for passengers. As in, "time to
go slop the carbon units."
Ronald James Wanttaja
>: >"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
>
>: This is properly spelled "ded reckoning", though hardly anyone does so.
>: It's short for "deduced reckoning".
>
>Well this is the Jeppesen (probably some dammed FAA AC started it) party
>line, but there are a number of experts that will argue the etymology
>of this.
One such source is _The Dictionary of Misinformation_, a tome which
attempts to correct various popular misapprehensions. The explaination
in there is that the term comes from trying to determine a ship's
position relative to the unchanging bottom (i.e., incorporating the
effects of tides and winds). The "dead" refers to the "dead" (i.e.,
constant) ground.
Ron Wanttaja
want...@halcyon.com
John Stephens
|> In article <3o8bf4$2...@topaz.sensor.com>, r...@topaz.sensor.com (Ron Natalie) says:
|> >
|> >: >"Dead reckoning" = referring to naigation by reference to winds aloft forecast
|> >
|> >: This is properly spelled "ded reckoning", though hardly anyone does so.
|> >: determines the winds aloft by flying a course which eliminates drift to
|> >: determine direction and then a course 90 degrees perpendicular to it to
|> >
|> >Well this is the Jeppesen (probably some dammed FAA AC started it) party
|> >line, but there are a number of experts that will argue the etymology
|> >be "Dead" and not having any relationship to "deduced."
|> >
|> >-Ron
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|> Well, no, Ron, actually anyone who thinks it wasn't derived from
|> deduced reckoning is just flat *wrong*, since deduced reckoning
|> is and was a *marine* navigation technique that preceded aviation
|> by a couple of hundred years.
|>
|> Sheesh.
"Sheesh" yourself! I guess you missed the earlier rendition of
this thread that pretty well demolished the "ded" version. Try
"dead reckoning" as in "proceeding from an object that is "dead"
(i.e. stationary) in the water". Argue this point with Roy Smith, for
example -- your sense of marine history and the origin of words is
at odds with many of us!
Roy Smith
> attempts to correct various popular misapprehensions. The explaination
> in there is that the term comes from trying to determine a ship's
> position relative to the unchanging bottom (i.e., incorporating the
> effects of tides and winds). The "dead" refers to the "dead" (i.e.,
> constant) ground.
In the marine navigation world, The Book Of All Knowledge is "American
Practical Navigator", commonly known as "Bowdich", after its first
author. First published a couple of centuries ago (when figuring out your
longitude from star sights was still considered state of the art). The
most recent edition I think was just published this year. The explanation
in Bowdich says it comes from "reckoning relative to an object dead in the
water". I'll believe anything I read in Bowdich.
Note that a DR plot, at least in marine navigation, is not relative to the
ground, it's relative to an object DEAD IN THE WATER. Effects of set and
drift (i.e. currents) are not taken into account in your DR plot (although
leeway, which you don't have in airplanes, probably is). You're keeping
track of your movements through the supporting medium, not over the
ground. You can add the estimated set and drift to your DR position and
come up with an EP (estimated position), but that's not, strictly
speaking, DR. Aviation use of DR seems to roll the DR and EP into one and
calls it just plain DR, which I suppose is both useful and practical, but
not strictly speaking, correct, at least from the viewpoint of historical
pedantry.
Then again, who cares, when all you gotta do is press a couple of buttons
and let the LCD display tell you which way to point the airplane (or boat,
for that matter).
--
Roy Smith <r...@nyu.edu>
Hippocrates Project, Department of Microbiology, Coles 202
NYU School of Medicine, 550 First Avenue, New York, NY 10016
"This never happened to Bart Simpson."
Roy Smith
> As airline pilots descend [...] into lower altitudes where IFR and VFR
> traffic mix they are entering "Indian Country" and have to keep a sharp
> visual lookout for traffic
Should I take that to mean they aren't doing the same up in the flight
levels? They do look out the front window once in a while up there, don't
they? Or do they figure that if George is driving, he might as well be
doing the sightseeing too? :-)
Michael Tanner
reckoning?) to actually look it up in a reliable source, which may be
a breach of netiquette, but there it is.
The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed., 1989, says dead reckoning is
derived from the following meaning of dead: "Characterized by absence
of physical activity, motion, or sound; profoundly quiet, still." The
earliest use they give comes from 1613 and makes clear that the term
was well-known before that, though no earlier written occurrence is
apparently known.
The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology (edited by C. T. Onion,
1966), which is based mostly on the 1st ed. OED says, "a proposed
etymology based on 'deduced' has no justification."
Most word origin sources I could find easily in the library either
refer to the OED or they give no sources. The ones that give no
sources usually say it comes from "deduced", apparently an intuition
of the authors.
I think the scholarship behind the OED gives it the most weight here.
My own conjecture is that this "deduced" thing is a recent invention.
Most of the symbols and techniques that make the mathematics of DR
easy for us have been invented in the last 200 years, and only in the
last 100 years have we in America (and England, too, I think) had that
mathematics commonly taught to everyone. Same for deduction. Most of
us find it easy to relate the process of dead reckoning to deduction
because we recognize the commonality. In the 17th century, and
earlier, DR would have been arcane knowledge understood by the very
few people who needed to navigate ships out of sight of land.
Deduction would have been similarly arcane, known mainly to academic
philosophers. The likelihood of one term even being known to the
other group, let alone corrupted from it, seems low.
-- mike
Craig Wall
>
>November Bravo = Numb butt
>after a particularly long flight
>
BWAHAHAH!!! First I've heard *that* one; I'm listed in the phone book
as November Bravo because I have a commercially zoned warehouse in which
I (very) occasionally built boats and sell them with just the woodwork
completed.
November Bravo = Naked Boats....
Craig Wall
Eric Williams Witherspoon
>Cessna Inline twin Cessna "Mixmaster"
>(one prop in front, second in back)
Suck and Blow
--
Eric Witherspoon, CFI/ASEL * "Do or do not. There is no try!"
gt9...@prism.gatech.edu * -Yoda
Craig Wall
>|> Well, no, Ron, actually anyone who thinks it wasn't derived from
>|> deduced reckoning is just flat *wrong*, since deduced reckoning
>|> is and was a *marine* navigation technique that preceded aviation
>|> by a couple of hundred years.
>|>
>|> Sheesh.
>
>"Sheesh" yourself! I guess you missed the earlier rendition of
>this thread that pretty well demolished the "ded" version. Try
>"dead reckoning" as in "proceeding from an object that is "dead"
>(i.e. stationary) in the water". Argue this point with Roy Smith, for
>example -- your sense of marine history and the origin of words is
>at odds with many of us!
Well, *snakebit* again. I stand (probably) corrected; I don't
suppose us practitioners of the art could be excused for having
believed our sources, could we? Ah. Hubris. I've heard of that...
Sorry, Ron- looks like I was sheeshing when I should have been
shushing.
Craig Wall
(Damn propagation delays....)
Brian Findlay
> "Joseph D. Mazza" <ma...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> > As airline pilots descend [...] into lower altitudes where IFR and VFR
> > traffic mix they are entering "Indian Country" and have to keep a sharp
> > visual lookout for traffic
>
> Should I take that to mean they aren't doing the same up in the flight
> levels? They do look out the front window once in a while up there, don't
> they? Or do they figure that if George is driving, he might as well be
> doing the sightseeing too? :-)
Come now - do you really think that 'see and avoid' is a feasible means of
separating traffic at FL 350 - where closing speeds can be on the order of
900 kts? Any plane above FL 180 is by definition an IFR flight, and ATC
has responsibility for separating traffic. I understand that we all
should be aware, alert and watching for traffic, but in the flight levels,
(as opposed to Indian country) the excercise is largely an academic one.
--
"Give me ambiguity, or give me something else!"
Ron Natalie
: Should I take that to mean they aren't doing the same up in the flight
: levels? They do look out the front window once in a while up there, don't
: they? Or do they figure that if George is driving, he might as well be
: doing the sightseeing too? :-)
I read an article about a couple (not John & Martha) who had a citation
that once reaching the flight levels they engaged the autopilot and trotted
out their laptops and started doing (non-flying) business work on a regular
basis. Scares the willies out of me.
-Ron
Ronald James Wanttaja
Roy Smith <r...@popmail.med.nyu.edu> wrote:
>> One such source is _The Dictionary of Misinformation_, a tome which
>> attempts to correct various popular misapprehensions. The explaination
>> in there is that the term comes from trying to determine a ship's
>
>In the marine navigation world, The Book Of All Knowledge is "American
>Practical Navigator", commonly known as "Bowdich", after its first
>in Bowdich says it comes from "reckoning relative to an object dead in the
>water". I'll believe anything I read in Bowdich.
Gawd, I *can't* let myself get out-referenced. The honor of the
Wanttaja library is at stake! :-)
From _The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea_:
"... the origin of the term, which has been used for at least four
centuries, is obscure, although it has been suggested by some that it is
a corruption of ded. reckoning, deduced from the reckoning. In view of
its very long period of use, this origin of the term is improbable; it
has too much of a modern ring to it. Possibly the term originally came
from the much older custom of describing unknown seas as "dead" seas,
in the sense that there was no body of knowledge about the extent, or
even the actual existance of these seas, shown by many early geographers
on their world maps."
Yet another theory....
Ron Wanttaja
want...@halcyon.com
Joseph D. Mazza
WANTED by a.. by Roy Sm...@popmail.med.ny
> levels? They do look out the front window once in a while up there, don't
> they? Or do they figure that if George is driving, he might as well be
> doing the sightseeing too? :-)
At flight levels all traffic is controlled and when you're up that high
_theoretically_ no one should be at your altitude in your position
except you. Therefore a visual lookout, while always a good idea and
normally maintained by the crew, is not nearly as intense or as
important as it is in "Indian Country" where there is NO assurance of
separation from other (VFR) traffic when in clear air.
-----Joe
Roy Smith
> Gawd, I *can't* let myself get out-referenced. The honor of the
> Wanttaja library is at stake! :-)
> From _The Oxford Companion to Ships and the Sea_:
I'll see your big fat book and raise you one slim yellow pamphlet :-). I
picked up one of these yellow FAA Aviation Safety Seminar pamphlets at the
airport the other day. It was a reprint of a Barry Schiff article about
DR which also supported the "Dead" theory. Good article too. Lots of
useful stuff in there about DR navigation.
So, we've got Bowdich, Oxford, Barry Schiff, and the FAA all saying it's
"Dead", not "Deduced". With evidence like that, the only thing that
could change my mind at this point is William Safire saying it ain't true.
Jason Goertz
>kami...@world.std.com (Mark Kaminsky) writes:
>>Cessna Inline twin Cessna "Mixmaster"
>>(one prop in front, second in back)
>
>Suck and Blow
Other ones for the Cessna 337 -
Mixmaster
Skythrasher
Some others -
CAVU - Ceiling and Visibility Unlimited
Severe Clear - Same as above. Extremely nice weather.
Jason Goertz
Federal Way, WA
Chris
>> Should I take that to mean they aren't doing the same up in the flight
>> levels? They do look out the front window once in a while up there, don't
>> they? Or do they figure that if George is driving, he might as well be
>> doing the sightseeing too? :-)
>At flight levels all traffic is controlled and when you're up that high
>_theoretically_ no one should be at your altitude in your position
>except you. Therefore a visual lookout, while always a good idea and
>normally maintained by the crew, is not nearly as intense or as
>important as it is in "Indian Country" where there is NO assurance of
>separation from other (VFR) traffic when in clear air.
The other problem with keeping a lookout in the flight levels is the
difficulty in resolving whether or not what you see is a threat.
Controllers are required to pass traffic information any time two aircraft
are likely to pass within a few miles of each other, even though they're
separated by 2000' vertically. With a closing speed of over 900 kts, that
headlight 2000' above or below you on the horizon sure *looks* like a
collision hazard. We don't need people taking evasive action in the
flight levels....
--
Chris Rasley
ATC (CZQM ACC), Private Pilot, Computer Geek.
Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada.
My opinions only. If you want an *official* interpretation, ask elsewhere.
Keith Glasscock
"smash"..... to a fighter pilot is airspeed
Smash and go.... is a student pilot practicing landings
Turn and burn.... is also Air Combat Manuvering
A Squirrel Cage.... is a dogfight
Yank and bank.... is also a name for ACM
A "Break" .... is a high performance turn
A "souped up crowbar".... Is a jet fighter
"Pucker Factor"....... Is a description of level of fear in the cockpit
"on rails"...... Is nice and smooth manuvering (flies like it's on rails)
"boards"..... Are speedbrakes or spoilers (mostly used for spoilers)
Those are the only ones I haven't seen already posted..... I'll think of more
right after posting this
Keith Glasscock
>> Should I take that to mean they aren't doing the same up in the flight
>> levels? They do look out the front window once in a while up there, don't
>> they? Or do they figure that if George is driving, he might as well be
>> doing the sightseeing too? :-)
>At flight levels all traffic is controlled and when you're up that high
>_theoretically_ no one should be at your altitude in your position
>except you. Therefore a visual lookout, while always a good idea and
>normally maintained by the crew, is not nearly as intense or as
>important as it is in "Indian Country" where there is NO assurance of
>separation from other (VFR) traffic when in clear air.
I hope that all of those that do not look out the windows now start
soon........ having experienced the exhilaration of a 800+ head on pass and
the mundane 6 o`clock run-up the tailpipe stuff..... I know that with a good
lookout even a head-on pass is possible to miss...... BTW I now fly my
"indian" into the flight levels regularly....... I am now officially a HARB
(High Altitude Road Block).......I have seen controllers make mistakes... I
like the comment by someone else that in theory you are seperated.....
Keith
Larry Shilkoff
Glasscock) writes:
>Yank and bank.... is also a name for ACM
"Yank and bank" also known as the procedure for accelerated stall.
Larry
ICS Mark
*anything* ol' Nate Bowditch says. Dead it is!
(My college education was at the U.S. Coast Guard Acedemy and was
immediately followed by 5 years of sea duty. )
Mark Frankford
USCGA '88
PP-ASEL
"Mountain? What mountain?!"
Rapier
>
> >kami...@world.std.com (Mark Kaminsky) writes:
> >>Cessna Inline twin Cessna "Mixmaster"
> >>(one prop in front, second in back)
> >
> >Suck and Blow
>>>>
This is also used by jet jocks. In fact someone told me that a good
comeback from helo pilots getting "attitude" from the jocks is:
It's better to screw yourself arround the world than to suck
and blow.
:^)
-- O ,_
Frederic "Rapier" DANKOFF MDCM I |/ `
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McGill Medcicine \ /|
http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rapier `--~ O
Terri Watson
jer...@rain.org (Jerry Dunn) writes:
> Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots
this thread is good reading. Here's my chip-in's, mostly from the
military, but I've heard it used elsewhere:
"Turn JP-4 (or avgas for civilians) into noise." -- go flyin'
"vomit comet" -- aside from the NASA zero-G trainer, any small commuter
aircraft flown in the Rocky Mountain West.
"cob it" -- slam the throttle foward to full power to get out of
trouble
"angels" - refers to altitude in thousands of feed -- "I'm at 10
angels"
"technicolor yawn" -- the end result of an airsick student on day one
of
aerobatics/evasive maneuvers instruction (I did several).
"Poopy suit" -- the overwater survival suit worn in cold water
environment
that have no provision for bodliy relief on a long mission......
"crispy critter club" -- pretty much a Viet Nam era term (at least
those are
the folks I know who use it most), but refers to one of many
pilots
burned badly in aircraft crashes that survived.
"lawn dart" -- a UH-60 Blackhawk and an F-16 -- from a period of time
in
the late 80's when both had lots of publicized crashes. The
Blackhawk
was also called the "crashhawk."
"three in the green" -- wheels are down and locked -- one green light
per
landing gear illuminates on the control panel."
"RTB" - return to base
"Charlie Mike" -- continue the mission
"Flying midair" -- CH-47 or any other twin rotored helo
"Come to Jesus" -- meaning, having the pants scared off of you so bad
that
you swear you may never sin(fly) again, as in "I came to Jesus
when I
lost my engine in the clouds."
"sucker hole" - that little opening below you that you *know* will let
you
get below that cloud deck, or that little opening above you that
you
*know* you can climb through and maintain VMC.....
STANDARD DISCLAIMER!
Terri Watson
terri_...@nols.edu
Lander, Wyoming
Paul Davison
Some I havent seen yet,
'Check six' , or 'check your 6' -- look behind you
'Kick the tires and light the fires' -- quickly check the plane and
get the engines going
'Bung off' --- gliding term for releasing from the tow-plane
the 'Button' of the runway is the approach end
'Thunder in' -- is a hard landing
'sucker hole' -- a hole in the cloud layer which would probably close
as soon as you flew through it
to 'Prang' an airplane is to damage it on landing
'Scraping it in' -- gliding term for someone getting too low on their
approach
'churning the butter' -- when a student is over controlling
'Boomer' -- refering to a thunderstorm or in gliding refering to a
strong thermal
'Kick in the pants' -- also refering to entering a thermal
'tail dragger' -- an aircraft with a tail wheel
'doing a tap dance' -- landing in tricky winds (usually in a
taildragger)
'Hanger Flying' -- talking about flying with a bunch of pilots
'Hanger rash' -- damage to an airplane occuring while parked or being
pushed by ground crew
well, there is a few. some obscure, some not.
hope it helps
Paul Davison
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Tom Gwilym
>
> In article <jerryd-0105...@port05.ventura.rain.org>
> jer...@rain.org (Jerry Dunn) writes:
>
> > Hello -- I'm looking for colorful or funny slang used by pilots
>
> this thread is good reading. Here's my chip-in's, mostly from the
> military, but I've heard it used elsewhere:
>
How about nicknames for certain airplanes? Here are some that I have
heard:
Ercoupe --> Scarecoupe
Tomahawk --> Traumahawk
Cutlass --> Gutless
Apache --> Scare-pache - This one doesn't make sense, but we called it
this at the club I used to fly out of!
John S. Fowler
>Apache --> Scare-pache - This one doesn't make sense, but we called it
> this at the club I used to fly out of!
I might be able to answer this one. I was discussing the Apache with an
instructor one day and we got to talking about engine-out procedures on
takeoff. I said "What should you do if you lose an engine right after
takeoff." He replied "Feather 'em." I inquired "And give full power to the
good one?" and he came back with "No. I mean feather both of 'em."
I have never understood the popularity of twins that can't fly on a single
engine, and apparently the original Apaches were about that. Here's one even
scarier. The "San Antonio Sewer Pipe," or Metro (with the older engines) had
a "negative climb rate" with an engine out and the gear down. So... they were
fitted with JATO bottles that fired long enough to get the gear retracted.
Now that's cutting it close, and they flew paying passengers on these things.
It was a happy day for everyone when they were retrofitted with the more
powerful engines.
SR
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SR - ILM
Will Outlaw
A quaint way of saying everything is fine, plenty of fuel
(fat) and no worries.
Useage: I was flying along fat, dumb and happy when I realized
I had no idea where I was. (Not that it's ever happened to me
of course. ;-> )