4 Golfers in 172
Lionel M Lavenue
Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
can hold 4 golfers.)
Lionel
jt...@vnet.ibm.com
(especially with full tanks [the airplane's, not the golfers']). I'm positive that
you won't fit 4 golfers and 4 sets of clubs, unless they are very light and you
don't take fuel. Use the right airplane for the job. It sounds like you need a
182.
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Andrew Boyd
<jt...@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>It sounds like you need a 182.
At least. Four big guys and their golf clubs will over-gross
a 182, unless you make only make short trips with the tanks
mostly full of air.
If you want to carry gas, too, try a 206, or at least a 185.
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Gary T. Craze
Lionel M Lavenue wrote:
>
> Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
> can hold 4 golfers.)
>
> Lionel
How big are the golfers?
How much do the clubs weigh?
How far are you going?
The 172 generally just carries 4 "FAA-sized" adults and full fuel. While
I'm FAA-sized, a lot of the golfers I play with are not! <grin>
More than likely, you'll have to offload a fair amount of fuel. Plus,
the baggage area of a 172 is not what I'd call roomy, but you might be
able to squeeze 4 "medium-to-small" bags back there (no handcarts !)
regards,
Gary
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Hamid Wasti
In article <4unbtn$p...@portal.gmu.edu> llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel M Lavenue) writes:
>Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
>can hold 4 golfers.)
Have you done the weight and ballance? Just because it has 4 seats does
not mean it can take 4 people and their luggage. You might be able to fit
4 golfers, their equipment and just enough gas to taxi to the active
runway.
-----Hamid
Klaus P Kraemer
In <hamidDw...@netcom.com> ha...@netcom.com (Hamid Wasti) writes:
>
>In article <4unbtn$p...@portal.gmu.edu> llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel
M Lavenue) writes:
>>Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
>>can hold 4 golfers.)
>
>Have you done the weight and ballance?
>
Also, have you considered density altitude? Do it anytime you are near
gross weight at either high altitude *or* at high temperatures. On a
104 degrees F (40 C) afternoon, even a sea-level airport has nearly
3,000 feet density altitude. The air above black tarmac can even be
hotter.
Glynne Rees
In article <4unbtn$p...@portal.gmu.edu>, Lionel M Lavenue
<llav...@mason2.gmu.edu> writes
>Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
>can hold 4 golfers.)
>
>
As a simple beginner I might also consider another comment made in my
PPL manual.
It is suggested that sets of golf clubs in a small plane could have a
significant effect on magnetic compas heading indications. I suppose
this would be most relavent if you carried the clubs on the dash or
strapped to the cowl in front of the wind screen!
--
Glynne
Mike Mladejovsky
In article <4unbtn$p...@portal.gmu.edu>, llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel M Lavenue) writes:
>Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
>can hold 4 golfers.)
>
>Lionel
>
IMHO, during the summer months, a 172 can carry:
4 small golfers, not much fuel, and no clubs.
3 golfers, not much fuel, and clubs.
2 golfers, full fuel, clubs, and some baggage.
A 182 will carry 4 golfers, clubs, and at least 60 gal of fuel.
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David MacKnight
Glynne Rees wrote:
> >Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
> >can hold 4 golfers.)
> >Lionel
>
> PPL manual.
> It is suggested that sets of golf clubs in a small plane could have a
> significant effect on magnetic compas heading indications. I suppose
> this would be most relavent if you carried the clubs on the dash or
> strapped to the cowl in front of the wind screen!
Even if you did get 4 golfers and their clubs in the plane, the beer
would most certainly put you over gross and CG to far aft... :)
Ronald Kelley
>In article <4unbtn$p...@portal.gmu.edu>, llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel M Lavenue) writes:
>>Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
>>can hold 4 golfers.)
>>
>>Lionel
>>
If you are the pilot in command you should already know if your
airplane can hold the four golfers and their bags. If you are one of
th golfers and not a pilot...look at your friends and their baggage.
If the tanks are full of fuel, all of you and your lugage should weigh
less than about 650 lbs. (It varies a few pounds from plane to plane
depending on model and equipment installed). If you think you are
over the limit, take the pilot aside and ask him if he's done a weight
and balance. If he says "What's a weight and balance?" don't get in
the airplane. :-)
Ron Kelley
Per Lindberg
In article <321218...@optinc.com>, David MacKnight
<david_m...@optinc.com> writes:
> Glynne Rees wrote:
>> >Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
>> >can hold 4 golfers.)
>> >Lionel
>>
> Even if you did get 4 golfers and their clubs in the plane, the beer
> would most certainly put you over gross and CG to far aft... :)
Bingo!
On a more serious note, many rec.aviators have submitted their
rules-of-thumb. Many of them are very good.
But they are all different. One almost gets the impression that this
is a matter of opinion. But we all know better, of course. Add to that
the fact that all C172 are individuals.
Do the Weight and Balance. The numbers don't lie.
(And, no, the golf bags can't log the time as long as they are not the
sole manipulators of... uh, never mind...)
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Dan Hanson
Lionel M Lavenue <llav...@mason2.gmu.edu> wrote in article
<4unbtn$p...@portal.gmu.edu>...
> Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
> can hold 4 golfers.)
>
> Lionel
>
>
You might want to check your W&B on that one... Unless you've got four
small golfers, I'd put money on your being over gross with four people and
four sets of clubs.
Dan
Andrew Boyd
Per Lindberg <p...@front.se> wrote:
>Do the Weight and Balance. The numbers don't lie.
yes, they do. Find me an aircraft [that hasn't been reweighed
recently] that doesn't weigh significantly more than it's W&B says.
Run all the numbers perfectly, then weigh the aircraft before
takeoff. Betcha you're at least 30 or even 100 lbs over max gross.
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Patrick W. P. Dirks
> In article <4unbtn$p...@portal.gmu.edu>, llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel
M Lavenue) writes:
> >Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
> >can hold 4 golfers.)
> >
> >Lionel
> >
>
> IMHO, during the summer months, a 172 can carry:
>
> 4 small golfers, not much fuel, and no clubs.
> 3 golfers, not much fuel, and clubs.
> 2 golfers, full fuel, clubs, and some baggage.
>
> A 182 will carry 4 golfers, clubs, and at least 60 gal of fuel.
The only way to know for SURE is to work up a W&B! I'd check pretty
carefully whether "a '172 can hold 4 golfers"; I know it can SEAT 4
golfers but I doubt it can FLY 4 golfers, esp. with a decent load of fuel.
At the very least, check the max. gross - basic empty weight to see
whether you're pushing that limit before worrying about the weight
distribution of 4 sets of golf clubs in the baggage compartment.
I happen to have the POH for a 172N handy and it shows a limit of 50 lbs.
for the rear baggage area, by the way.
I'd say 4 golfers and a load of clubs in a '172 sounds like a recipe for
disaster. YMMV.
Good luck,
-Patrick Penzias Dirks.
d...@pipeline.com
Dean Tresner
Lionel M Lavenue wrote:
>
> Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
> can hold 4 golfers.)
>
> Lionel
Shure. But check with the starter, many courses only allow carts.
-Dean
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Lionel M Lavenue
Thanks for all the response, but let me clarify something. I have
already done the w&b on the golfers, so that's not the question.
However, off the top of my head, I have not weighed the golf clubs.
I obviously will do this before the flight, but my question regarded
whether anyone out there has taken a 172 golfing before. If so, can
the 172 physically hold four sets of clubs. If no, then w&b matters
not. If yes, then I'd hoped to get some estimations on the weight
for a set of clubs, if anyone had already checked this before. Then,
with that information, I'd have a comparison for my figures.
It seems that some of the responses seemed to believe that I'd just
take someone's advice from the Internet and go flying. That's dumb.
I would of course do the numbers myself. Now, with that said, I'd
like to get some feedback on the four sets of clubs. Thanks.
P A Williamson
In article <4v28vr$m...@portal.gmu.edu>, llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel M
Lavenue) wrote:
> Lionel M Lavenue (llav...@mason2.gmu.edu) wrote:
> : Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
> : can hold 4 golfers.)
>
> : Lionel
Lionel....ain't no way a 172 can carry 4 adults with full fuel and 4
sets of clubs. Heck, there ain't no way a 172 will carry 4 adults (other
than 4 little people) and full fuel. Half tanks, three adults and clubs
maybe. A set of clubs must weight close to 50 lbs. each.
Ron Kelley
llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel M Lavenue) wrote:
>It seems that some of the responses seemed to believe that I'd just
>take someone's advice from the Internet and go flying. That's dumb.
>I would of course do the numbers myself. Now, with that said, I'd
>like to get some feedback on the four sets of clubs. Thanks.
>Lionel M Lavenue (llav...@mason2.gmu.edu) wrote:
>: Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
>: can hold 4 golfers.)
Lionel,
I'm not trying to be funny or a smart a--, but the size and weight of
the bags *you* are going to be carrying are important. What someone
else has for a golf bag may not be what you are putting in your plane.
Judging from what I've seen on golf courses around here, you couldn't
physically get four golf bags in the back of a 172. Keep in mind,
these bags are about four feet tall, about 12 to 14 inches in diameter
(with the ball boot), have 3 or 4 woods, and half a dozen irons, golf
balls, shoes, towels and assorted junk. I mean, these things are
huge. I don't see anyone carrying them any more. everyone seems to be
using wheeled carts for the bags or sticking them in the back of
electric golf carts and driving around the course.
The short answer is, from my perspective, they won't fit.
Ron Kelley
Roy Smith
"Dan Hanson" <dha...@planet.eon.net> writes:
> I'd put money on your being over gross with four people and
> four sets of clubs.
Especially if they're ugly people :-)
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In article <4v5r3u$5...@news.nyu.edu>, r...@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) wrote:
>> I'd put money on your being over gross with four people and
>> four sets of clubs.
>
>Especially if they're ugly people :-)
No, in that case he would be over disgusting.
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Michael Richmann
P A Williamson wrote:
>
> In article <4v28vr$m...@portal.gmu.edu>, llav...@mason2.gmu.edu (Lionel M
> Lavenue) wrote:
>
> > Lionel M Lavenue (llav...@mason2.gmu.edu) wrote:
> > : Can a 172 hold 4 sets of golf clubs? (I already know that it
> > : can hold 4 golfers.)
> >
>
> Lionel....ain't no way a 172 can carry 4 adults with full fuel and 4
> sets of clubs. Heck, there ain't no way a 172 will carry 4 adults (other
> than 4 little people) and full fuel. Half tanks, three adults and clubs
> maybe. A set of clubs must weight close to 50 lbs. each.
50 lbs is about 2-2.5 sacks of the old style cat litter, i.e., a
rather large load. I've got a full set of clubs and I'd venture they
and the bag and accessories weigh about 15-18 lbs.
In any case, it looks like this thread has come full circle. Weigh
your clubs and your passengers and do the W&B...
Mike
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