Piper/Cessna Crash
Julio Vega
was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
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Paul Tomko
Julio Vega <jj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision. It
>was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
>cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
>other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
>where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
>anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
>pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
I heard about this, but did not see the news story. Private Pilot training
materials always state that one of the most dangerous situations can
occur when a low wing aircraft is descending while a high wing is climbing.
The blind spots on each aircraft will hide the other. But this is the first
time I've heard of such an incident. Especially one in which they got
locked together. Anybody have more details?
Paul
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Small Plane Lands on Top of Another
Filed at 1:17 p.m. EST
By The Associated Press
PLANT CITY, Fla. (AP) -- A small plane coming in for a landing became
wedged on top of another one 200 feet in the air, and the interlocked
pair landed together without injury to any of the three people on
board.
The sight of the double-decker plane at Plant City Airport outside of
Tampa attracted gawkers until it was finally taken apart.
``It was truly amazing,'' said Marilyn Gauthier of the Hillsborough
County Aviation Authority.
Jay Perrin, 19, was descending in a Cadet on Saturday and didn't
notice the Cessna flying below him, officials said. Perrin's front
wheel broke the Cessna's windshield and became jammed, sheriff's Sgt.
Rod Reder said.
Flight instructor Alan Vangee, 65, took over the controls of the
Cessna from his 56-year-old student pilot and landed safely on the
grass.
``It should have been a double-plane fatality crash,'' Reder said.
``If I was the student pilot, it would be my last flight.''
On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:53:01 -0600, "Julio Vega" <jj...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision. It
>was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
>cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
>other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
>where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
>anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
>pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
>
John Harlow
Julio Vega wrote:
> On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision. It
> was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
> cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
> other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
> where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
> anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
> pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
>
> --
>
> Julio PP-ASEL
>
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Julio Vega <jj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision. It
>was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
>cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
>other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
>where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
>anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
>pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
What City and/or State. Any extra info might help track down the
FAA/NTSB info (although AVWeb et.al. will have something next week ^_^).
mike regish
mike regish
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>
> I need a picture of this.... anyone?
>
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have taken us away.
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<gor...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> December 13, 1999
>
>
> Small Plane Lands on Top of Another
>
>
> Filed at 1:17 p.m. EST
>
>
> By The Associated Press
>
> PLANT CITY, Fla. (AP) -- A small plane coming in for a landing became
> wedged on top of another one 200 feet in the air, and the interlocked
> pair landed together without injury to any of the three people on
> board.
>
> The sight of the double-decker plane at Plant City Airport outside of
> Tampa attracted gawkers until it was finally taken apart.
>
> ``It was truly amazing,'' said Marilyn Gauthier of the Hillsborough
> County Aviation Authority.
>
> Jay Perrin, 19, was descending in a Cadet on Saturday and didn't
> notice the Cessna flying below him, officials said. Perrin's front
> wheel broke the Cessna's windshield and became jammed, sheriff's Sgt.
> Rod Reder said.
>
> Flight instructor Alan Vangee, 65, took over the controls of the
> Cessna from his 56-year-old student pilot and landed safely on the
> grass.
>
> ``It should have been a double-plane fatality crash,'' Reder said.
> ``If I was the student pilot, it would be my last flight.''
>
>
>
> On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:53:01 -0600, "Julio Vega" <jj...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision.
It
> >was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
> >cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
> >other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not
hear
> >where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
> >anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
> >pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
> >
Mike Simard
schedule some lessons with him? ;-) It would be nice to hear his story.
Anyone know him?
Mike Simard
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St Stephen Ames wrote:
>
> Almost the most amazing thing I can relate to...
It even made the news here in Saskatoon. The most incredible thing I
have ever seen. My only question is how the hell do you do the weight
and balance on all that.
Apparently, the fact that you can land a C152 with a Piper on top
explains why they make such a great student trainer. It is obviously
damn near impossible to break the gear. Makes me feel better...
Colin
Colin Rasmussen
gor...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> December 13, 1999
>
> Small Plane Lands on Top of Another
>
> Filed at 1:17 p.m. EST
>
> By The Associated Press
>
> PLANT CITY, Fla. (AP) -- A small plane coming in for a landing became
> wedged on top of another one 200 feet in the air, and the interlocked
> pair landed together without injury to any of the three people on
> board.
So does the PIC of the Cessna log one takeoff and two landings ???
Colin
Andrew McCoy
Can he log multi engine time?
Andrew
Touch
Jeff Meeker
wrote:
>On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision. It
>was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
>cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
>other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
>where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
>anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
>pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
saw this on the news. Amazing. The weirdess thing you ever saw.
Jeff
DOW_9er7Tango
that signature.
Just kidding! It's just this visual I get whenever I see it, sorry.
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Al Mills <almills!@crown.net> wrote in message
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> Kudos to Alan Vangee. You done good, man!
>
> --
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> ...but we are all as
> an unclean thing,
> and all our righteousness'
> are as filthy rags, and
> we all do fade as a leaf,
> and our iniquities like the wind
> have taken us away.
> Is. 64:6
> <gor...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:385564d3...@news.earthlink.net...
> > December 13, 1999
> >
> >
> > Small Plane Lands on Top of Another
> >
> >
> > Filed at 1:17 p.m. EST
> >
> >
> > By The Associated Press
> >
> > PLANT CITY, Fla. (AP) -- A small plane coming in for a landing became
> > wedged on top of another one 200 feet in the air, and the interlocked
> > pair landed together without injury to any of the three people on
> > board.
> >
> > The sight of the double-decker plane at Plant City Airport outside of
> > Tampa attracted gawkers until it was finally taken apart.
> >
> > ``It was truly amazing,'' said Marilyn Gauthier of the Hillsborough
> > County Aviation Authority.
> >
> > Jay Perrin, 19, was descending in a Cadet on Saturday and didn't
> > notice the Cessna flying below him, officials said. Perrin's front
> > wheel broke the Cessna's windshield and became jammed, sheriff's Sgt.
> > Rod Reder said.
> >
> > Flight instructor Alan Vangee, 65, took over the controls of the
> > Cessna from his 56-year-old student pilot and landed safely on the
> > grass.
> >
> > ``It should have been a double-plane fatality crash,'' Reder said.
> > ``If I was the student pilot, it would be my last flight.''
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:53:01 -0600, "Julio Vega" <jj...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane
collision.
> It
> > >was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
> > >cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good
shape
> > >other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not
> hear
> > >where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it?
Can
> > >anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the
piper
> > >pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
> > >
Tcrdn11
About time there is a positive in an aviation accident. They deserve a medal,
but thats probably not what they'll get when the feds are through.
John J. Miller
norm? Would the mid-wing offspring be called a Ciper or a Pessna?
:-)
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of the primary flight controls. Absolutely amazing, good thing it was in
Florida, in NJ it would have been a different story.
Pete Shifflett
Al Mills
blood.
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...but we are all as
an unclean thing,
and all our righteousness'
are as filthy rags, and
we all do fade as a leaf,
and our iniquities like the wind
have taken us away.
Is. 64:6
"DOW_9er7Tango" <9...@home.removethispart.com> wrote in message
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Steve
they say! ;-) Actually, looking at the pictures, I wonder exactly how the
plane(s) handled for that last 200'. The 3 people from the planes should go
on tour with the FAA safety seminar people! :-)
-Steve
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Steve
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Billy Beck
"Steve" <nospam...@nospamplease.home.com> wrote:
>This is what I was thinking. I guess the 152 can hold about 2000# more than
>they say! ;-) Actually, looking at the pictures, I wonder exactly how the
>plane(s) handled for that last 200'.
Ya think Mr. Vangee was adding a toss of power after the, uhm,
acquaintance-making, or what?
The AP report was far too sketchy for me. Lots of detailed
questions left open. I'll be very interested to read the NTSB
version.
Billy
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Colin Rasmussen
Steve wrote:
>
> This is what I was thinking. I guess the 152 can hold about 2000# more than
> they say! ;-) Actually, looking at the pictures, I wonder exactly how the
> plane(s) handled for that last 200'. The 3 people from the planes should go
> on tour with the FAA safety seminar people! :-)
As ones who failed at "see and avoid" but lived to tell about it.
Personally, it's hard to know who was at fault (I assume the Piper
pilot) but this is a happy ending to someone's bad flying.
Colin
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Julio Vega
The article says that the Piper was coming in for a landing and collided
with the Cessna at 200 ft. I can see the piper being 200 ft at the approach
end of the runway, and the Cessna being 200 ft at the departure end of the
run way. So, how did they ended at the same place at 200 ft? From the
picture it is obvious that they were flying in the same direction. Did the
Piper aborted the landing and continued flight at the runway centerline? Or,
did he aborted and flew in a parallel course to the runway centerline and
the Cessna drifted into its path? Did the Cessna pilot check for traffic
before takeoff?
Also, according to FAR 91.113 Right-of-way rules: Except water operations
(g) Landing. Aircraft, while on final approach to land or while landing,
have the right-of-way over other aircraft in flight or operating on the
surface, except that they shall not take advantage of this rule to force
an
aircraft off the runway surface which has already landed and is attempting
to
make way for an aircraft on final approach. When two or more aircraft are
approaching an airport for the purpose of landing, the aircraft at the
lower
altitude has the right-of-way, but it shall not take advantage of this
rule
to cut in front of another which is on final approach to land or to
overtake
that aircraft.
Since the piper was landing, he had the right of way. Anyone has any
theories?
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Joe Krzes
the Piper pilot control the power and the Cessna the landing! These two
guys would make a great flight crew. Were they talking all this thru on
plane to plane?
Joe
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Eric W. Seelig
I guess technically, since the cessna was at lower altitude, he
had the right of way (unless both aircraft were inverted ;) ), but
I think it looks like a mutual breakdown in "see and avoid."
Eric
Newps
Julio Vega wrote:
>
> Something about the accident report doesn't add up as far as I'm concerned.
> The article says that the Piper was coming in for a landing and collided
> with the Cessna at 200 ft. I can see the piper being 200 ft at the approach
> end of the runway, and the Cessna being 200 ft at the departure end of the
> run way. So, how did they ended at the same place at 200 ft? From the
> picture it is obvious that they were flying in the same direction. Did the
> Piper aborted the landing and continued flight at the runway centerline? Or,
> did he aborted and flew in a parallel course to the runway centerline and
> the Cessna drifted into its path? Did the Cessna pilot check for traffic
> before takeoff?
The Piper descended on top of the Cessna while both were on final. He
simply had a steeper glidepath.
NoSPAM!
>
>I need a picture of this.... anyone?
Julio Vega
I've read only talk about the Piper coming in for landing, they never said
what the Cessna was doing.
"PLANT CITY, Fla. (AP) -- A small plane coming in for a landing became
wedged on top of another one 200 feet in the air, and the interlocked
pair landed together without injury to any of the three people on
board. "
I guess we'll have to wait for the NTSB report to find out who was at fault.
Good work by both pilots to control the crash/landing. I wonder which pilot
was in control of the landing. The article talks about the CFI taking the
controls from the student, but they never said what the other pilot did. Did
he let go of the controls and allowed the other pilot (Cessna CFI) to do the
landing, or did he also continued to fly the plane until landing. It might
have been a team effort.
Julio PP-ASEL
Eric W. Seelig wrote in message <3857EB16...@nwu.edu>...
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>"PLANT CITY, Fla. (AP) -- A small plane coming in for a landing became
>wedged on top of another one 200 feet in the air, and the interlocked
>pair landed together without injury to any of the three people on
>board. "
There's no telling where the rewrite guy learned his or her English,
but the teachers who cracked my knuckles (Sisters of St Francis and
gals from Keene Normal School) would certainly have interpreted
"another one" to refer to the entire phrase that is the subject of the
sentence: i.e., another "small plane coming in for a landing." If the
Cessna were otherwise, the writer should have specified where it
differed from the subject. They would have proved it by diagramming
the sentence.
-- Dan Ford
Japan at War: http://danford.net/japan.htm
Objekt
>
> On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision. It
> was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
> cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
> other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
> where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
> anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
> pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
Yep, I've seen the pictures, read the jokes ("Pessna? Ciper?") but was
also trying to decide: accident or incident? Since there were
apparently no failures of turbine engines, no one was injured, and both
airplanes were only a little banged up overall, seems to me it would be
an "incident" because it involved an aircraft collision in-flight (NTSB
Part 830). I bet that would seem odd to a lot of slack-jawed non-pilot
onlookers who are still talking about "that airplane accident." ;)
Objekt
Objekt
>
> Might be in violation of Part 135, carrying unauthorized freight/passengers.
Also he was over gross weight. Good thing it is built to take at least
3.8 g's (I'm sure the Cessna was no longer in the Utility category :).
Obj
Jed Friend, Ph.D.
Here's some hanger scoop I've heard. In addition to the Piper and Cessna that fell
in love with each other at 200 feet, there was another Cessna on short final or on
the runway, possibly shooting a Touch N Go. Possibly the Piper driver became
confused between the 2 Cessna's, and only saw the Cessna on the runway. Or he only
thought there was the one Cessna, on the runway. When the collision took place, the
Piper pilot did not know what happened, other than a thud. He gave it full power,
because he was losing altitude faster than he should have. At full power, the
plane(s) continued to sink anyway. There was no communication between the planes
on the local CTAF, they just sank down onto the runway, or runway area. Until the
Piper pilot got out of the plane, he had no idea what had happened, other than his
touchdown did not look right, and he was a bit higher off the ground. There was
very little damage to the Piper. The nose tire was actually resting on the dash of
the Cessna, just in front of the passenger.
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Sandy Mustard
>
> In article <832165$74i$1...@ssauraaa-i-1.production.compuserve.com>,
> Julio Vega <jj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On tonight news I caught a glance of story about a two plane collision. It
> >was a piper than collided with a cessna. The piper ended on top of the
> >cessna and both planes landed locked together. They looked in good shape
> >other than the fact that the piper was on top of the cessna. I did not hear
> >where it happened. They said no one was killed. Anyone else saw it? Can
> >anyone post any additional info. I wonder who did the landing, the piper
> >pilot or the cessna pilot. Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
>
> materials always state that one of the most dangerous situations can
> occur when a low wing aircraft is descending while a high wing is climbing.
> The blind spots on each aircraft will hide the other. But this is the first
> time I've heard of such an incident.
A high wing and a low wing collided at the EAA Airventure last year
also.
Sandy Mustard
Peter Gottlieb
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Jack McAdams
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:34:39 -0500, mike regish <mre...@mediaone.net>
wrote:
>http://www.msnbc.com/local/WFLA/67894.asp
>
>mike regish
>PP-ASEL
>
>Touch wrote:
>>
>> I need a picture of this.... anyone?
>>
>> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>> Before you buy.
David Clayworth
Sandy Mustard wrote:
> Paul Tomko wrote:
> >
>
> > I heard about this, but did not see the news story. Private Pilot training
> > materials always state that one of the most dangerous situations can
> > occur when a low wing aircraft is descending while a high wing is climbing.
> > The blind spots on each aircraft will hide the other. But this is the first
> > time I've heard of such an incident.
>
> A high wing and a low wing collided at the EAA Airventure last year
> also.
>
> Sandy Mustard
There was a guy on Canadian radio a few days ago talking about two Ansons landing
interlocked at Gimli, Manitoba
in the forties/fifties. They both got away with minor damage and no casualties. He
seemed to imply that this sort of thing wasn't as unusual as you might expect. Of
course ONE was more than I would expect...
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Billy Beck
Does anyone know how these folx are doing these days?
I'm curious to know whether they carried on, or what.
>December 13, 1999
>Small Plane Lands on Top of Another
>Filed at 1:17 p.m. EST
>By The Associated Press
>
>PLANT CITY, Fla. (AP) -- A small plane coming in for a landing became
>wedged on top of another one 200 feet in the air, and the interlocked
>pair landed together without injury to any of the three people on
>board.
>
>The sight of the double-decker plane at Plant City Airport outside of
>Tampa attracted gawkers until it was finally taken apart.
>
>``It was truly amazing,'' said Marilyn Gauthier of the Hillsborough
>County Aviation Authority.
>
>Jay Perrin, 19, was descending in a Cadet on Saturday and didn't
>notice the Cessna flying below him, officials said. Perrin's front
>wheel broke the Cessna's windshield and became jammed, sheriff's Sgt.
>Rod Reder said.
>
>Flight instructor Alan Vangee, 65, took over the controls of the
>Cessna from his 56-year-old student pilot and landed safely on the
>grass.
>
>``It should have been a double-plane fatality crash,'' Reder said.
>``If I was the student pilot, it would be my last flight.''
VRWC Fronteer
http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html
Christopher J Campbell
they are flying again. Ultrasound examination of the Cessna has shown no
evidence that the attempted mating was successful, however.
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JStricker
That's because Cezzna's are infertile and doomed to extinction. 8--)
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James Bieker
Honestly, I haven't heard if either passed the check ride or of there were
any sanctions imposed.
Victor Morange
woman passed her checkride the next week.
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Mike O'Malley
JStricker
You know why this kind of thing happens so rarely? Cezznas are so ugly most
Pipers won't try to mount them. This one probably had auto gas with alcohol
in it. They always look prettier after a drink or two. 8^)
Your turn.
--
John Stricker
"I didn't spend all these years getting to the top of the food chain just to
be a vegetarian"
"Mike O'Malley" <moma...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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