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Lou Parker

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Jun 15, 2003, 6:53:51 PM6/15/03
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Can anyone tell me if it is possible to legally claim abandoned
aircraft?
If there is an abandoned house, I can go through the local government
and claim it. If there is an abandoned car, I can go through channels
to re-title it. What if anything can be done with aircraft? There are
at least three at the airstrip I fly out of that belong to people of
nonexistence, one to a corporation that doesn?t exist anymore. Any
ideas?

Ron Wanttaja

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Jun 15, 2003, 10:08:18 PM6/15/03
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If a plane owner doesn't pay the rent for the tiedown space, the airplane
can be attached. Eventually, the airport can take over ownership due to
lack of payment, in which case they'll sell it to try get whatever they
can.

Ron Wanttaja

Stan Prevost

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Jun 15, 2003, 10:57:55 PM6/15/03
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"Ron Wanttaja" <ikv...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Apparently, this can get pretty messy and/or costly. There is a derelict
MU-2 at a certain airfield that has been there for years, and they haven't
been able to get rid of it.


Jay Honeck

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Jun 15, 2003, 11:23:48 PM6/15/03
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> Apparently, this can get pretty messy and/or costly. There is a derelict
> MU-2 at a certain airfield that has been there for years, and they haven't
> been able to get rid of it.

It's difficult to imagine a harder plane to sell than a derelict MU-2.

It's not exactly the kind of aircraft your A&P can fix up on the side,
between oil changes...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Craig

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Jun 15, 2003, 11:27:28 PM6/15/03
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lou...@hotmail.com (Lou Parker) wrote in message news:<61bea013.03061...@posting.google.com>...

Check with who ever controls the tie-down rentals. If they haven't
been paying the rental, then there is a process that can be gone
through to seize the a/c and sell it off for the past due fees.

If you want to try something faster, then hit the FAA website and
run the N number and send a registered letter to the listed owner.
Also ask around at the airport and you might be able to come up with a
contact too. the only problem with getting an a/c via this method is
having to run down every single AD issued against the a/c, the engine,
the prop and so on, and verifying that they have been complied with or
are not applicable. I know of one a/c that was obtained by this method
that ended up costing more to get flying than buying one on the open
market that was up for sale. I know of at least two different big
twins that are rotting away in hangars that are barely worth the time
and effort to cut up for the smelter.

Craig C.

Patric Barry

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Jun 16, 2003, 1:53:55 AM6/16/03
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There are two entities that can seize the aircraft and sell it at an
auction - the airport since tie down is involved and they can assess and
lien the aircraft, and then enforce their lien, or the county for unpaid
property tax.

If they have been derelict and sitting for years the answer may be a
bankruptcy or an IRS lien or even a Customs lien if they have been drug
smuggling. Usually when these aircraft are liened and the owner abandons the
aircraft the locals pillage them for parts, and they disappear gradually.

As it is, you'll get the plane without log books so you have a real problem,
and that is why those planes usually are parted out, one way or another.

The MU2 is an interesting plane, but sells very inexpensively anyway so to
restore it would be hard.

In any case, for you to get a valid title you must go to an entity which can
issue a valid title, and that is a court or the government. I'd recommend
you contact the airport and find out the status, and also the county tax
assessor and inquire as to any action they are pursuing.

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Dennis O'Connor

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Jun 16, 2003, 8:44:24 AM6/16/03
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Buy the plane, cheap... Buy a title, N number, and airworthyness certificate
to the same model aircraft from a salvage yard... A bit of mix and match
and, VOILA you have 'your new airplane'...

Denny

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Bojangles

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Jun 16, 2003, 9:10:50 AM6/16/03
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Interesting thread. Question: Assuming he could get title to the aircraft
for a reasonably low price then how much more is a plane worth sold piece by
piece?

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Mike Spera

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Jun 16, 2003, 7:54:11 PM6/16/03
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As others have stated, you need to wait a LLLLLOOOOOONNNGGGGGGGGG time
before the delinquent monthly tie-down fee warrants a repo. Then, the
plane is usually junk. We have a Tiger on the field that is utter junk
because of sitting for 7 or so years. I would not take it for FREE. It
is that bad.

Rather than try to get a repo., I would do the research to try and find
someone in the ownership (or debtor) chain to try to but it.

Good Luck,
Mike


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Peter Gottlieb

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Jun 16, 2003, 7:56:34 PM6/16/03
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Works with cars, why not planes?


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Yeah_right

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Jun 17, 2003, 11:29:12 PM6/17/03
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Uhhhnnnnn.....don't think I'd be interested in flying in that plane with
you.....

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Ben Smith

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Jun 18, 2003, 10:26:31 AM6/18/03
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You've got some pretty good responses so far.. Might as well look up the
'N' number and contact the owner directly..

When I was visiting PTK last year, I saw a Mooney M20F with no engine
sitting at the end of the hangar row. Seems to be complete inside, and out,
otherwise. The paint is almost completely faded away! I could barely get
an 'N' number from it. It's still registered to what appears to be a group
of Mooney pilots. The last Michigan registration sticker on the tail was
1985. As it turns out, there's a 1985 FAA incident on the plane, the engine
failed after takeoff, and they ditched in a lake.. So my assumption is
that it's been sitting there since 1985! They must have been uninsured 'er
something huh? Anyone in this group from PTK?

--
Ben
C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y

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Dan Thomas

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Jun 18, 2003, 2:12:39 PM6/18/03
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"Dennis O'Connor" <doco...@chartermi.net> wrote in message news:<veret9s...@corp.supernews.com>...
> Buy the plane, cheap... Buy a title, N number, and airworthyness certificate
> to the same model aircraft from a salvage yard... A bit of mix and match
> and, VOILA you have 'your new airplane'...
>
> Denny

The serial number on the data plate has to match the serial
number on the paperwork, and to remove a dataplate from an airplane
you need government permission. People who mess with data plates
otherwise get themselves a room in the Crowbar Hotel.

Dan

Rich Hare

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Jun 18, 2003, 7:52:20 PM6/18/03
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No, I'm at 1D2 (Plymouth Mettetal) but I have seen that (once) blue and
cream Mooney many times... and a few of its bretheren scattered nearby.
It sure seems like a waste, to me.

Lou Parker

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Jun 18, 2003, 9:05:07 PM6/18/03
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"Ben Smith" <ben-...@REMOVE.charter.IT.net> wrote in message news:<vf0td0k...@corp.supernews.com>...

> You've got some pretty good responses so far.. Might as well look up the
> 'N' number and contact the owner directly..
>
> When I was visiting PTK last year, I saw a Mooney M20F with no engine
> sitting at the end of the hangar row. Seems to be complete inside, and out,
> otherwise. The paint is almost completely faded away! I could barely get
> an 'N' number from it. It's still registered to what appears to be a group
> of Mooney pilots. The last Michigan registration sticker on the tail was
> 1985. As it turns out, there's a 1985 FAA incident on the plane, the engine
> failed after takeoff, and they ditched in a lake.. So my assumption is
> that it's been sitting there since 1985! They must have been uninsured 'er
> something huh? Anyone in this group from PTK?
>
> --
> Ben
> C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y
>
> I have tried to contact 2 owners. One, I just can't find any information. He droped of the earth about 6 years ago, the other is a corporation that no longer exist.
Lou

Peter Gottlieb

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Jun 18, 2003, 11:36:28 PM6/18/03
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Oh, gosh, I wouldn't take on such a headache. If I was going to go
building/fixing I would invest my (limited!) time in a Lancair kit.


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Paul Millner

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Jul 4, 2003, 3:13:52 PM7/4/03
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>> to remove a dataplate from an airplane
you need government permission.

What regulation is that, Dan?

Paul


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Jun 16, 2020, 8:33:49 PM6/16/20
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He'll is take it Nd make a project out of it if the price is right
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