Why is Wilkes-Barre called AVP?
Joe_K...@next.com
writes:
> Why does Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (Pennsylvania) airport have the id
> AVP? Try as I might, I can't come up with any logical mapping from the name
> to the id. Did the airport used to be called something else?
I think it used to be called something like Avoca(?). AVP would make sense for
Avoca, PA. I've flown there once, but I've driven by there a number of times.
I remember seeing a sign on I-81 (which goes right by the airport) with than
name.
joe
Roy Smith
AVP? Try as I might, I can't come up with any logical mapping from the name
to the id. Did the airport used to be called something else?
Roy Smith <r...@nyu.edu>
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fmil...@brynmawr.edu
>In article <2ptofh$j...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> r...@mchip00.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
>writes:
>> AVP? Try as I might, I can't come up with any logical mapping from the name
>> to the id. Did the airport used to be called something else?
>
>Avoca, PA. I've flown there once, but I've driven by there a number of times.
>I remember seeing a sign on I-81 (which goes right by the airport) with than
>name.
>
>joe
There are lots of airports whose ID's don't make 'sense' (at first). For
instance, Orlando International is MCO. It's the former McCoy AFB. The 'real'
ORL identifier belongs to Orlando Executive, the original civilian airport
in Orlando (and a fine GA airport, IMO).
Frank
Gregory R. TRAVIS
>There are lots of airports whose ID's don't make 'sense' (at first). For
>instance, Orlando International is MCO. It's the former McCoy AFB. The 'real'
>ORL identifier belongs to Orlando Executive, the original civilian airport
>in Orlando (and a fine GA airport, IMO).
Can we talk? How about:
O'Hare: ORD (nee' ORcharD (or is it OrchaRD?) field)
Columbus, IN: BAK (nee' Bakalar AAF)
Anyone know how Meigs got CGX?
greg
Andrew Tron
>In <2q5jao$7...@saturn.haverford.edu> fmil...@brynmawr.edu writes:
>
>>There are lots of airports whose ID's don't make 'sense' (at first). For
>>instance, Orlando International is MCO. It's the former McCoy AFB. The 'real'
>>ORL identifier belongs to Orlando Executive, the original civilian airport
>>in Orlando (and a fine GA airport, IMO).
>
>Can we talk? How about:
>
> O'Hare: ORD (nee' ORcharD (or is it OrchaRD?) field)
>
to get into and out of the place.
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>In <2q5jao$7...@saturn.haverford.edu> fmil...@brynmawr.edu writes:
>
>>There are lots of airports whose ID's don't make 'sense' (at first). For
>>instance, Orlando International is MCO. It's the former McCoy AFB. The 'real'
>>ORL identifier belongs to Orlando Executive, the original civilian airport
>>in Orlando (and a fine GA airport, IMO).
>
>Can we talk? How about:
>
> O'Hare: ORD (nee' ORcharD (or is it OrchaRD?) field)
>
>Anyone know how Meigs got CGX?
>
>greg
>
>
(like ORL above)? Could it have been C(hica)G(o) X (International)??
Just a guess.
Frank
Larry Stone
> Why does Wilkes-Barre/Scranton (Pennsylvania) airport have the id
> AVP? Try as I might, I can't come up with any logical mapping from the name
> to the id. Did the airport used to be called something else?
And to save you the trouble of asking what will probably be your next
identifier question, the answer is: ORcharD field.
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Dave Allen
It used to be Arapahoe County airport, until the Colorado centennial.
dave allen - Fly because you love it.
Lee Devlin
: I think it used to be called something like Avoca(?).
This is correct. It is located close to the small town of Avoca and was
called Avoca airport for many years. Sometime in the mid 70's the name
was changed to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton International, presumably because
someone once flew a plane from there to Canada :-). It's primarily a
feeder airport for Philadelphia, Pittsburg, and New York.
I grew up in near Wilkes-Barre just a few miles from AVP and soloed at
the Wilkes-Barre/Wyoming Valley (WBW) airport which is much more geared
toward general aviation, in case you ever find yourself in the vicinity
and need some fuel or food.
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Jer/ Eberhard
... and Douglas County wanted to share an airport with Arapahoe County,
but they couldn't quite (politically) stomach Douglas County money
supporting Arapahoe County airport... so the name was changed in 1976
(just in time for the Colorado Centennial) to Centennial Airport (APA).
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Alan Fothergill
My favourite is Oracle's nearest airport, San Carlos. Its ID is SQL.
It was probably named after the well known data query language! :)
Alan
Andrew Boyd
wrote:
>
>Sometime in the mid 70's the name was changed to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton
>International, presumably because someone once flew a plane from there
>to Canada :-).
geez, I thought that the name change was in honor of the antics of
Air America (not the CIA, though the confusion about the name was
less than accidental).
Remember them? The engine and fuel tank STC guys whose demo a/c featured
such exotic equipment such as HF radios, omega nav (no gps then) and
smooth aluminum interiors? :-)
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Joshua Handelsman
>.
Yeah, a bunch of the 3-letter codes for airports do not make any
sense at all, although, as previously mentioned, some are named
after less-common names such as Orchard's field (O'Hare).
I'm in college out here in PA but have worked the last 2 summers as
a "ramp rat" for Continental Airlines at Newark, NJ, and part of my
training included memorizing a plethora of 3-letter codes. Try
to figure why these were named...
North Platte, NE......LBF
Telluride, CO.........TEX
Harrisburg, PA........MDT
Nantucket, MA.........ACK
Worchester, MA........ORH
Fort Myers, FL........RSW
Kansas City, MO.......MCI
Louisville, KY........SDF
Lemme tell you...there is no real easy way to memorize all the
messed up ones...
Josh
John Gersh
Handelsman <HJ6...@lafibm.lafayette.edu> wrote:
> Try
> to figure why these were named...
>
Can't help with all, but some of them follow one of two rules that have
already been alluded to earlier in the discussion.
(1) The three letters appear in the name of the airport in the same order
as in the identifier. Not necessarily the ideal mnemonic, but probably
chosen to avoid conflicts with other identifiers.
(2) The identifier refers to the name of the airport itself or to its
actual location rather then the to the name of the nearby large city it
serves.
> Harrisburg, PA........MDT
in MiDdleTown, PA
> Nantucket, MA.........ACK
nAntuCKet
> Worchester, MA........ORH
wORcHester
> Kansas City, MO.......MCI
Mid-Continent International
> Louisville, KY........SDF
StanDiFord Field
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John_...@aplmail.jhuapl.edu (John Gersh) writes:
>> Worchester, MA........ORH
>wORcHester
Sorry, that's WORCESTER, with no H. I know, you got it from the local
pronunciation -- WOOSTAH. But then, where does the R come from? ;-)
Chris Floyd
John Gersh
Floyd) wrote:
[Properly taking me to task for unthinkingly analyzing another poster's
connection of "ORH" and "Worchester"]
Of course. I slapped my brow as soon as I posted the message; I've spent
enough time living in Mass. myself to have known better about the spelling
of Woostah.
Maybe the "H" in "ORH" comes from the one in "Massachusetts?" :-)
Anyway, would you like a real chuckle? To verify things, I just did an
identifier decode in DUATS (GTE) and got the following: (I kid you not.)
ORH airport WORCESTER MUNI WORCESTER,MA
fss: BDR(BRIDGEPORT) artcc: ZBW(BOSTON)
ORH weather WORCHESTER,MA
William LeFebvre
Andrew Tron <awt...@vanilla.princeton.edu> wrote:
>In article <Cp8D1...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gr...@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory R. TRAVIS) writes:
>>
>> O'Hare: ORD (nee' ORcharD (or is it OrchaRD?) field)
>>
>to get into and out of the place.
Amen to that! And not just when you're in an airplane, either. I
picked up my wife and daughter yesterday evening and spent almost 30
MINUTES just waiting in the line to pay for parking!
But Greg is right, it used to be called "Orchard Field" and was
renamed O'Hare (in honor of a local aviator war hero) some time after
World War II.
William LeFebvre
Computing Facilities Manager and Analyst
Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Northwestern University
<ph...@eecs.nwu.edu>
William LeFebvre
John Gersh <John_...@aplmail.jhuapl.edu> wrote:
>Can't help with all, but some of them follow one of two rules that have
>already been alluded to earlier in the discussion.
>
>(1) The three letters appear in the name of the airport in the same order
>as in the identifier. Not necessarily the ideal mnemonic, but probably
>chosen to avoid conflicts with other identifiers.
That doesn't explain "OKK" for Kokomo Muni in Kokomo, IN.
Jer/ Eberhard
> North Platte, NE......LBF
Lee Bird Field
> Telluride, CO.........TEX
TEluride Regional (X)
> Harrisburg, PA........MDT
MiDdleTon
> Nantucket, MA.........ACK
nAntuCKet
> Worchester, MA........ORH
Got me there!
> Fort Myers, FL........RSW
foRt myers, SouthWest regional
> Kansas City, MO.......MCI
kansas city, Mo (kinda comes out: Missouri kansas City International)
> Louisville, KY........SDF
StanDiford Field
> Lemme tell you...there is no real easy way to memorize all the
> messed up ones...
I find that if I visit the field, or flight plan through it, soon
I know the identifiers.
Note... the identifier for the new Denver International Airport was
supposed to be: WAT for Watkins, Colorado (where it is actually
located). The Denver airport folks would have nothing to do with having
"their" airport named after a small town on the eastern planes of
Colorado. So, they talked the FAA into breaking an FAA rule about not
reusing identifiers for at least a year after they were last
decomissioned.
John Clear
They supposedly choose that because the airport is located between
Harrison, Port Chester and North Castle... How is that for confusing?
John
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Putter P.
: This is correct. It is located close to the small town of Avoca and was
: called Avoca airport for many years. Sometime in the mid 70's the name
: was changed to Wilkes-Barre/Scranton International, presumably because
: someone once flew a plane from there to Canada :-). It's primarily a
: feeder airport for Philadelphia, Pittsburg, and New York.
: I grew up in near Wilkes-Barre just a few miles from AVP and soloed at
: the Wilkes-Barre/Wyoming Valley (WBW) airport which is much more geared
: toward general aviation, in case you ever find yourself in the vicinity
: and need some fuel or food.
That explains the AV part, but what about the final "P"?
I doubt it stands for Pennsylvania. Maybe Pittston?
I also did some time in Wilkes-Barre -- I was Lee's math
teacher at PSU Wilkes-Barre!
Paul
P.S. Someone asked how you pronounce Wilkes-Barre. I
spent five years there and and never figured out the
answer: not even the natives seemed to agree 100%.
Gregory R. TRAVIS
>I'm in college out here in PA but have worked the last 2 summers as
>a "ramp rat" for Continental Airlines at Newark, NJ, and part of my
>training included memorizing a plethora of 3-letter codes. Try
>to figure why these were named...
>North Platte, NE......LBF
>Telluride, CO.........TEX
>Harrisburg, PA........MDT
>Nantucket, MA.........ACK
>Worchester, MA........ORH
>Fort Myers, FL........RSW
>Kansas City, MO.......MCI
>Louisville, KY........SDF
OOH, I can help with a few:
SDF (Louisville) StanDiFord field - the name of the airport
ACK (Nantucket) nAntuCKet
MCI (Kansas City) MidContinent International (may just be MidContInent)
ORH (Worchester) wORcHester
greg
J. S. Bullock
Josh is trying to rationalize some puzzling airport identifiers including:
>Fort Myers, FL........RSW
RSW is Regional SouthWest the 'new' (~15 yrs old), big, 'international'
airport. Technically it is really between Fort Myers & Naples in what _was_
the middle of nowhere 15 years ago. And is about to undergo a large expansion.
FMY is the 'old' Page Field in Fort Myers proper. It's now the GA reliever.
Hard to imagine 7*7s and DC*s scooting in over Highway 41.
I've had many a Christmas expedition EWK -> RSW. (Anybody remember the
Peoples Express operation in EWK's old North Terminal? <shudder>) _Much_
more better-er taking the Warrior to Page.
Joan
bul...@bms.com
Larry Stone
> Yeah, a bunch of the 3-letter codes for airports do not make any
> sense at all, although, as previously mentioned, some are named
> after less-common names such as Orchard's field (O'Hare).
>
> I'm in college out here in PA but have worked the last 2 summers as
> a "ramp rat" for Continental Airlines at Newark, NJ, and part of my
> training included memorizing a plethora of 3-letter codes. Try
> to figure why these were named...
Some of these are far too easy. Particularly when you remember that until
relatively recently, as first letters, N was reserved for the Navy and W and K
weren't used (to avoid confusion with radio station call letters???)
> North Platte, NE......LBF
> Telluride, CO.........TEX
> Harrisburg, PA........MDT It's in MiDdleTown.
> Nantucket, MA.........ACK nAntuCKet
> Worchester, MA........ORH wORcHester
> Fort Myers, FL........RSW southwest regional airport (Regional SouthWest)
> Kansas City, MO.......MCI
> Louisville, KY........SDF StanDiFord field
Some other crazies - OGG (Kahului, Maui, Hawaii); GEG (Spokane, WA).
Larry Stone
>> Kansas City, MO.......MCI
>
> Mid-Continent International
Sorry, Mid-Continent International is Wichita (ICT).
Larry Stone
> How about HPN for Weschester County Airport, located in White Plains, NY?
>
> They supposedly choose that because the airport is located between
> Harrison, Port Chester and North Castle... How is that for confusing?
I believe it's for wHite PlaiNs.
Larry Stone
> I've had many a Christmas expedition EWK -> RSW. (Anybody remember the
> Peoples Express operation in EWK's old North Terminal? <shudder>)
No I don't. Although I do know they had an operation at EWR's old North
Terminal. So where is EWK?
Jer/ Eberhard
> > Peoples Express operation in EWK's old North Terminal? <shudder>)
> No I don't. Although I do know they had an operation at EWR's old North
> Terminal.
> So where is EWK?
EWK:NEWTON, KS:NEWTON-CITY-COUNTY:1530:-07:0:38:3.3:97:16.6:123.000:WICHITA
Dave Allen
: >> Kansas City, MO.......MCI
: > Mid-Continent International
Larry Stone (sto...@eisner.decus.org) wrote:
: Sorry, Mid-Continent International is Wichita (ICT).
Wait. You're both right. Officially,
ICT = "Wichita Mid-Continent"
MCI = "Kansas City International"
but indeed, many years ago, when "the" Kansas City airport was MKC (now Kansas
City Downtown), MCI was called "Mid-continent" and was a TWA service base, and
I don't even think they had a tower (mid 60s). The guy who gave me my first
flying lessons worked there and commuted from Leavenworth in his Tri-Pacer.
Seems some interstate signs around Kansas City refer to MCI as Mid-Continent
Airport. Right, locals? Don't know how long Wichita's airport had
"Mid-Continent" in its name. They mighta stole it.
fmil...@brynmawr.edu
>In article <5MAY1994...@spock.bms.com>, bul...@spock.bms.com (J. S. Bullock) writes:
>
>> Peoples Express operation in EWK's old North Terminal? <shudder>)
>
>No I don't. Although I do know they had an operation at EWR's old North
>Terminal. So where is EWK?
>
Frank
fmil...@brynmawr.edu
Oops. EWR is Newark. EWK is Newton, KS.
Frank
Larry Stone
>>>So where is EWK?
>>>
>>nEWarK, NJ
>>
>>Frank
>
> Oops. EWR is Newark. EWK is Newton, KS.
Exactly! Which is why I wrote what I did (which probably should have had a
:-) by it). The original poster had used EWK in a way that clearly implied the
poster though EWK was Newark's code.
Rick Oakes
Andrew Tron <awt...@vanilla.princeton.edu> wrote:
>In article <Cp8D1...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gr...@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory R. TRAVIS) writes:
>>
>>>There are lots of airports whose ID's don't make 'sense' (at first). For
>>>instance, Orlando International is MCO. It's the former McCoy AFB.
>>
Another non-ituitive ID is a military field almost due east of MCO--
COF or Patrick AFB. It took me a little while to find out where that
one came from--Patrick is on the east Coast Of Florida.
But sometimes there is NO appearent logical formula: example:
Longmont, Colorado 2V2
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Joshua Handelsman
>Lee Devlin (dev...@lf.hp.com) wrote:
>
>P.S. Someone asked how you pronounce Wilkes-Barre. I
>spent five years there and and never figured out the
>answer: not even the natives seemed to agree 100%.
>.
I fly in the Jersey/PA area and, from the Williamsport automated
flight service station, it is referred to as Wilkes-Barre where the
"wilkes" is pronounced as it appears but the "barre" is pronounced
berry. Oh well...the briefers aren't from that area so maybe they've
got it wrong too!
Josh
Frank Weissig
>But sometimes there is NO appearent logical formula: example:
>Longmont, Colorado 2V2
Many smaller airports are assigned alphanumeric identifiers with one letter
indicating the ARTCC in whose airspace they are located. So the "V" in "2V2"
is for denVer Center.
Sometimes the letter is not so obvious, probably to avoid duplicates. For
instance, some airports in Oakland Center's territory have "Q" instead of "O"
in them. (e.g. Boonville, CA - Q17) Also, some where apparently named when the
Center boundary alignments were different, so a bunch of airports in Western
Montana have "S" (for Seattle) instead of "U" (for Salt Lake City, Utah).
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>Some other crazies - OGG (Kahului, Maui, Hawaii); GEG (Spokane, WA).
I'm told Spokane Intl. was once Geiger Field, hence GEG... The GA reliever
there is a bit more sensible - SFF for Spokane Felts Field.
Glenna Hall
"Barre" as "Barr-uh."
Glenna Hall
J. S. Bullock
In reply to my babbling on about trips between EWK & RSW:
> No I don't. Although I do know they had an operation at EWR's old North
> Terminal.
>
> So where is EWK?
So right you are. I meant to type EWR, Newark, NJ. Guess those Ks and Rs
look an awful lot alike thru the top part of my glasses.
Thanks for the gentle correction.
Joan
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Bob Koehler
>In article <04MAY94.21...@lafibm.lafayette.edu>, Joshua Handelsman <HJ6...@lafibm.lafayette.edu> writes:
>> Yeah, a bunch of the 3-letter codes for airports do not make any
>> sense at all, although, as previously mentioned, some are named
>> after less-common names such as Orchard's field (O'Hare).
>>
>> I'm in college out here in PA but have worked the last 2 summers as
>> a "ramp rat" for Continental Airlines at Newark, NJ, and part of my
>> training included memorizing a plethora of 3-letter codes. Try
>> to figure why these were named...
>
>Some of these are far too easy. Particularly when you remember that until
>relatively recently, as first letters, N was reserved for the Navy and W and K
>weren't used (to avoid confusion with radio station call letters???)
???
Here in the Washington, DC, area, just about every little airport's designator
starts with W. Some have been around quite a while.
>
>> North Platte, NE......LBF
>> Telluride, CO.........TEX
>> Harrisburg, PA........MDT It's in MiDdleTown.
>> Nantucket, MA.........ACK nAntuCKet
>> Worchester, MA........ORH wORcHester
>> Fort Myers, FL........RSW southwest regional airport (Regional SouthWest)
>> Kansas City, MO.......MCI
>> Louisville, KY........SDF StanDiFord field
>
>Some other crazies - OGG (Kahului, Maui, Hawaii); GEG (Spokane, WA).
>
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>
> But Greg is right, it used to be called "Orchard Field" and was
> renamed O'Hare (in honor of a local aviator war hero) some time after
> World War II.
>
A little more trivia about the name O'Hare (heard on Paul
Harvey a few years back): There was a fellow O'Hare who
was a mobster in Chicago, but he turned state's evidence
and helped convict several of his old cronies.
Unfortunately, he was killed by the mob. At about the
same time, a young man by the name of O'Hare became
[as I recall] the first Allied Ace in the Pacific during
WWII. But he was shot down and killed soon thereafter.
[Paul Harvey style delay...] And the second O'Hare was
the son of the first - and the grand new airport in Chicago
was named after BOTH of them.
Good day.
David Stocker
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Lee Devlin
: My husband grew up across the river from Wilkes Barre, and he pronounces
: "Barre" as "Barr-uh."
If you listen closely, you'll find that there are many pronuciations of
this town's second name and no one will complain unless you do the
*unthinkable* and pronouce 'Barre' with a single syllable as in 'bar'.
It makes me cringe in horror when I hear it pronounced like that.
Here's how you can correctly pronounce it:
Barry (OK)
Berry (a little better)
Berra (like in Yogi)
Barra (my personal favorite)
As for any other non-easterner flying in and around Pennsylvania, here
are a few more tips to avoid undue embarrasment.
Reading, PA is pronouced just like Redding, CA, NOT 'Reeding'. You
can call it 'Reeding' if you want to make its surly controllers cringe.
Lancaster, PA has the accent on the first syllable as in LANC-as-ter. I
understand in CA, the accent is on the second syllable as in
lan-CAST-er.
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hend...@mln.com
> In article <Cp8D1...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> gr...@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Gregory R. TRAVIS) writes:
>>In <2q5jao$7...@saturn.haverford.edu> fmil...@brynmawr.edu writes:
>>
>>>There are lots of airports whose ID's don't make 'sense' (at first). For
>>>ORL identifier belongs to Orlando Executive, the original civilian airport
>>>in Orlando (and a fine GA airport, IMO).
>>
>>Can we talk? How about:
>>
>> O'Hare: ORD (nee' ORcharD (or is it OrchaRD?) field)
>>
The list would be endless. For example, L08 for Borrego Springs, in California,
L45 for Bakersfield Municipal, etc.
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andrew m. boardman
>Reading, PA is pronouced just like Redding, CA, NOT 'Reeding'. You
>can call it 'Reeding' if you want to make its surly controllers cringe.
Why does Reading have it's own approach controllers, anyway? It's always
seemed like massive overkill considering how much traffic they handle.
("Surly" I certainly wouldn't argue with. Right up there with NYC...)
Are they an occasional heavy releiver for something?
andrew
Roy Smith
> Here's how you can correctly pronounce it:
>
> Barry (OK)
> Berry (a little better)
> Berra (like in Yogi)
> Barra (my personal favorite)
My CFI (who is Dutch) puts the accent on the Wilkes part and pronounces the
first vowel in the Barre part like a short "u". It comes out sort like
like "Wilkesburry", or maybe even "Wilkesb'ry"
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andrew m. boardman <a...@news.cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Why does Reading have it's own approach controllers, anyway? It's always
>seemed like massive overkill considering how much traffic they handle.
Could they be a training facility? We have a place near here (Waco
Regional, ACT) that doesn't seem to need radar, but has it. My
instructor said they train approach controllers there.
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Scott VanArtsdalen
>From: STO...@alpha.salem.ge.com (David Stocker)
>Subject: Re: Non-intuitive ID's (O'Hare naming)
>Date: 9 May 1994 19:37:30 GMT
>In <CpC9v...@eecs.nwu.edu> ph...@eecs.nwu.edu writes:
>>
>> But Greg is right, it used to be called "Orchard Field" and was
>> renamed O'Hare (in honor of a local aviator war hero) some time after
>> World War II.
>>
>A little more trivia about the name O'Hare (heard on Paul
>Harvey a few years back): There was a fellow O'Hare who
>was a mobster in Chicago, but he turned state's evidence
>and helped convict several of his old cronies.
>Unfortunately, he was killed by the mob. At about the
>same time, a young man by the name of O'Hare became
>[as I recall] the first Allied Ace in the Pacific during
>WWII. But he was shot down and killed soon thereafter.
>[Paul Harvey style delay...] And the second O'Hare was
>the son of the first - and the grand new airport in Chicago
>was named after BOTH of them.
And now you know the....................rest of the story.
>Good day.
>David Stocker
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Lee Devlin
: Why does Reading have it's own approach controllers, anyway? It's always
: seemed like massive overkill considering how much traffic they handle.
: ("Surly" I certainly wouldn't argue with. Right up there with NYC...)
: Are they an occasional heavy releiver for something?
I have no idea why Reading has its own approach controllers. They don't
even provide traffic advisories and immediately bounce you to Harrisburg
or Philly if you ask for them.
There's a restaurant on the field call 'Wild Wings' and it's a decent
place to go, but every time I go there I can count on a gruff response
from whomever is in the tower. You first have to call up on approach
and if you forget, they'll tell you to call back on approach frequency
and promptly hand you back to tower. They also expect you to read their
minds and if you fail that test, they yell at you. It seems as if
whenever I tune into their frequency I hear them chewing out some
hapless pilot who didn't really do anything wrong.
The only thing I can imagine is that they must be controllers who upset
someone and were put out to pasture at a place that really doesn't need
a controller and this adversely affects their collective demeanor.
Gregory R. TRAVIS
[About Reading, PA]
Yeah, I've had the same experience with them - they are a very
gruff bunch.
Reading is one of a handful of radar-equipped approach controls in
the country that's not also a Class B/C area or a TRSA.
Terre-Haute, IN (HUF) is another. However, the controllers at HUF
are generally pretty friendly. HUF has approach control responsibility
for all the airports w/In about a 40-mile radius (including BMG) so
the controllers are actually pretty busy.
greg
hend...@mln.com
> Reading is one of a handful of radar-equipped approach controls in
> the country that's not also a Class B/C area or a TRSA.
As long as we're talking TRSA's here, does anyone know why the tower guys at
Palm Springs (PSP) always want you to contact approach? I thought participation
in TRSA's was voluntary.
A call to tower, without having talked to approach, invariable gets a "contact
PSP approach on xxx.xx"
--
ATC, Inc.
Coming soon to a Tracon near you,
from the people who brought you Amtrak and USPS
Javier Henderson (JH21)
hend...@mln.com
Larry Stone
>
> [About Reading, PA]
>
> Yeah, I've had the same experience with them - they are a very
> gruff bunch.
>
> Reading is one of a handful of radar-equipped approach controls in
> the country that's not also a Class B/C area or a TRSA.
Quite a bit more than a handful. I can think of several in California alone:
Travis AFB, Stockton, Bakersfield, Vandenberg AFB, Edwards AFB, NAS Lemoore,
NAS Pt. Mugu.
Judy Cadmus
>andrew m. boardman (a...@news.cs.columbia.edu) wrote:
>
>: Why does Reading have it's own approach controllers, anyway? It's always
>: seemed like massive overkill considering how much traffic they handle.
>: ("Surly" I certainly wouldn't argue with. Right up there with NYC...)
>: Are they an occasional heavy releiver for something?
>
>I have no idea why Reading has its own approach controllers. They don't
>even provide traffic advisories and immediately bounce you to Harrisburg
>or Philly if you ask for them.
I have on occasion gotten VFR advisories, usually via a handoff from Harrisburg
Approach.
>
>There's a restaurant on the field call 'Wild Wings' and it's a decent
>place to go, but every time I go there I can count on a gruff response
>from whomever is in the tower. You first have to call up on approach
>and if you forget, they'll tell you to call back on approach frequency
>and promptly hand you back to tower. They also expect you to read their
>minds and if you fail that test, they yell at you. It seems as if
>whenever I tune into their frequency I hear them chewing out some
>hapless pilot who didn't really do anything wrong.
>
>The only thing I can imagine is that they must be controllers who upset
>someone and were put out to pasture at a place that really doesn't need
>a controller and this adversely affects their collective demeanor.
>
I often fly to Reading for practice approaches and/or lunch. In fact, I've
been there 5 times within the past 3 weeks! Yes, it seems like they have one
or two controllers with a low tolerance, but they also have controllers that
are very good. I also hear them quite often chewing out some hapless pilot.
I even heard one chewing out an Allegheny training flight in a Dash-8. It
seems that the controller didn't like the Allegheny pilot's response to the
question, "How will this approach terminate?".......
FYI, I believe Reading Approach's airspace goes up to 5000'. Above that, it's
Harrisburg's.
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Frank Weissig
>In article <CpnD1...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, gr...@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu
(Gregory R. TRAVIS) writes:>> In <2qqucc$a...@hpavla.lf.hp.com>
dev...@lf.hp.com (Lee Devlin) writes:>>
>> [About Reading, PA]
>>
>> Yeah, I've had the same experience with them - they are a very
>> gruff bunch.
>>
>> Reading is one of a handful of radar-equipped approach controls in
>> the country that's not also a Class B/C area or a TRSA.
>Quite a bit more than a handful. I can think of several in California alone:
>Travis AFB, Stockton, Bakersfield, Vandenberg AFB, Edwards AFB, NAS Lemoore,
>NAS Pt. Mugu.
And in the Northwest: Eugene, OR and Tri-Cities (Pasco), WA. I expect Medford
will be in that category when they finally get their radar.
David Stocker
> andrew m. boardman (a...@news.cs.columbia.edu) wrote:
>
> : Why does Reading have it's own approach controllers, anyway? It's always
Maybe only because at the there's a radar at the
airport? [Whether it's needed or not.]
> [description of gruff controllers...]
For information, does anyone know if Reading is a
non-FAA ATC facility? We have a few (I'll leave
them unamed) non-FAA facilities around my area -
one is fine, the others can be a hassle, similar
to what I see described here.