Colonel Tomb

[Lawrence V. Conley]

[Lawrence V. Conley]

Can anyone here recommend a good book which gives detailed info on
the famed North Vietnamese fighter pilot named, Colonel Tomb? He had
13 American kills when he was shot down by a US Navy pilot named
Randy Cunningham in 1971.

This is for a research paper, so ISBN numbers would be greatly
appreciated.

Also, can anyone here recommend a book which examines the North
Vietnamese Air Force during the Vietnam war, and might include a
listing of top scoring North Vietnamese fighter pilots?

Thanks,

Larry

[Lawrence V. Conley]

[Dave Elliott]

> read a book by Geoffery Ethell & Alfred Price One day in a long war I
think was the title and it describes in details the events of the action
when Cunningham got Tomb. In fact it went on to say that the name
Tomb is not a vietnamese name possibly Toom and that the NVA
did not have any "ace" pilots. anyhow its a good book but I've heard
of a book by a navy f4 pilot Called Scream of Eagles sorry dont know
the ISBN.
rgds Dave
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[Bill Robie]

A tip for basic research of this sort:

The Library of Congress can be reached via telnet (regular working
hour and some day hours on weekends) at 140.147.254.3

It is kind of a clunky system, but it works well enough. A little
bashing about will show you how it works. When I do a search there, I
use my comm. software to spool everything to a file on my harddrive, then
import the file into a wordprocessing program and use a series of macros
to strip out all the garbage and arrange the remaining library entries
(with ISBN nos., etc.). About 20 minutes of on-line time and 10
minutes of macro running can result in a subject review containing several
hundred entries. Many of the most promising ones can then be gotten from
local libraries or through interlibrary loan.

[doy...@muvms6.wvnet.edu]

One bit of information on Col. Tomb appears in "One Day in a Long War" ISBN
o-394-57622-5 by Jeffery Ethell and Alfred Price. check out p. 189.

Hope this is some help . . .

Jerry D.>
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[scha...@notis.com]

In article <1994Oct9.110416.906@muvms6>, <doy...@muvms6.wvnet.edu> writes:
> Path: 5

Also Randy Cunningham's Vietnam era biography called "FOX 2". Soory the books
at home but a quick look in BIP or Paperback BIP from a few years ago (see you
local library) should get you enough for a cite.

Ben Schapiro

[Rob de Bie]

Air International published two or three articles on the Vietnamese air
force and its history, written by Dutchman Frank Rozendaal (or Roozendaal).
I do not recall the exact subjects of these articles, but I met the guy a
couple of times in East-Germany at Russian air bases, and he told me
about his trips to Vietnam. One of the very few things I knew about the
North Vietnamese air force was the famous Colonel Tomb, shot down by
Cunningham and Driscol. So I asked what he knew about Tomb, and he
answered that there was no real Colonol Tomb. I don't recall whether it
was a ficteous (spelling?) figure or that it wasn't his true name, but
something was definitely wrong with the mythe. I believe he also said
that that were no ranks in the NV air force, so colonels couldn't exist.
He gave me his card, which showed a Vietnamese fighter pilot by the way,
but I think I threw it away. I will try to find it anyways. But check out
those Air International issues.

Regards,

Rob de Bie

[Larry D. Morrissetto]

Thats the same Randy Cunningham who was the only American ace of the
Vietnam war, and in now a congressman from
California..!!@

doy...@muvms6.wvnet.edu wrote:

: Jerry D.>
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[steve hix]

In article 5...@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu, ind0...@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Larry D. Morrissetto) writes:
:Thats the same Randy Cunningham who was the only American ace of the

:Vietnam war, and in now a congressman from
:California..!!@

Robin Olds would be very unhappy to find out that he *wasn't* an
ace...maybe you don't count Air Force flyers?

[MARK BRIAN PASSWATERS]

In article <37ucdt$p...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, fid...@Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) wr
ites:

ONLY ace? Where do you get your information? As a matter of fact, someone in
the USAF became an ace the same day Cunningham offed Col. Tomb. You might want
to think again....
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[e...@cbncp5.cb.att.com]

In article <37ucdt$p...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>,

Robin Olds was a WWII and Korean ace. He had 4 kills in Viet Nam.
Steve Ritchie was an Air Force ace of Viet Nam, and the
fellow that was his back seater on some kills, (I can't
remember his name) is alos an ace.
-Earl Watkins

[Gregg Germain]

steve hix (fid...@Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:

: Robin Olds would be very unhappy to find out that he *wasn't* an

: ace...maybe you don't count Air Force flyers?

No he wouldn't. Robin Olds only got 4 in Vietnam.

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[Chuck]

>>Robin Olds would be very unhappy to find out that he *wasn't* an
>>ace...maybe you don't count Air Force flyers?
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> Robin Olds was a WWII and Korean ace. He had 4 kills in Viet Nam.
> Steve Ritchie was an Air Force ace of Viet Nam, and the
> fellow that was his back seater on some kills, (I can't
> remember his name) is alos an ace.
> -Earl Watkins

The back seater was Captain Charles DeBellevue, 6 kills. But there was one
more USAF ace from the war, and that was Captain Jeffery Feinstein (USAFA c/
o '68). He was the last ace of the Vietnam war.

Chuck

[Bernard B. Yoo]

e...@cbncp5.cb.att.com wrote:
: In article <37ucdt$p...@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>,

--
Are you referring to Willy Driscoll?

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In article <cdouglas.1...@origin.ea.com> cdou...@origin.ea.com (Chris Douglas) writes:

>In article <38a2c8$m...@larry.rice.edu> ber...@rice.edu (Bernard B. Yoo) writes:
>.

>>: Robin Olds was a WWII and Korean ace. He had 4 kills in Viet Nam.
>>: Steve Ritchie was an Air Force ace of Viet Nam, and the
>>: fellow that was his back seater on some kills, (I can't
>>: remember his name) is alos an ace.
>>: -Earl Watkins

>>--

Charles DeBellevue was Ritchie WSO. DeBellevue ended up with 6 kills, the
leading AF ace in Vietnam. Ritchie's 5 kills made him the leading PILOT ace
of the war.

Steve

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[Chris Douglas]

In article <38a2c8$m...@larry.rice.edu> ber...@rice.edu (Bernard B. Yoo) writes:
.

>: Robin Olds was a WWII and Korean ace. He had 4 kills in Viet Nam.
>: Steve Ritchie was an Air Force ace of Viet Nam, and the
>: fellow that was his back seater on some kills, (I can't
>: remember his name) is alos an ace.
>: -Earl Watkins

>--
>Are you referring to Willy Driscoll?

No, no, he was Cunningham's backseater. They were Navy, not Air Force.

--Chris Douglas