Why the USAF pilots say: fox one, fox two ,fox three
aVNeR
i think because the type of the missle
can some1 plz tell me ?
Bye
Dan Ilan
DANeKANELL
IN AN INTERCEPTOR MISSION
FOX ONE=A radar missile has been released from the aricraft.
FOX TWO=An infared missile has been released from the aircraft.
FOX THREEE=The aircrafts machine gun or cannon is being employed
John Anglin
right.
fox one is usally a sidewinder (or similar misile)
fox two = AMRAAM
fox three = phoenix
Jeff Shultz
On 30 Dec 1997 16:21:08 GMT, DANeKANELL wrote:
:>IN AN INTERCEPTOR MISSION
:>
:>FOX ONE=A radar missile has been released from the aricraft.
:>FOX TWO=An infared missile has been released from the aircraft.
:>FOX THREEE=The aircrafts machine gun or cannon is being employed
There seems to be a disagreement between you and John
Anglin... all I remember is that Fox 4 is a euphemism for
mid-air collision.
Jeff Shultz
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SIRIUS
thought Fox 1 was medium-range missile, Fox 2 was short-range missile,
and Fox 3 was guns, with the usual joke being that Fox 4 was a ramming. Are
you sure that the various Fox calls refer to specific missile types?
Jeff
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John Anglin <jan...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in article
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SIRIUS
I thought Fox 1 was medium-range missile, Fox 2 was short-range missile,
Jeff Shultz
On 30 Dec 1997 18:38:59 GMT, SIRIUS wrote:
:> thought Fox 1 was medium-range missile, Fox 2 was short-range missile,
:>and Fox 3 was guns, with the usual joke being that Fox 4 was a ramming. Are
:>you sure that the various Fox calls refer to specific missile types?
:
I'm pretty sure that Fox 1 and 2 are for radar guided and
infrared - but I don't remember which is which.
José Herculano
>fox one is usally a sidewinder (or similar misile)
>fox two = AMRAAM
>fox three = phoenix
IIRC, 1 is Sidewinder, 2 is Sparrow, and 3 is either Phoenix or AMRAAM.
José Herculano
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Sk8r Steve
DANeKANELL wrote:
>
> IN AN INTERCEPTOR MISSION
>
> FOX ONE=A radar missile has been released from the aricraft.
> FOX TWO=An infared missile has been released from the aircraft.
> FOX THREEE=The aircrafts machine gun or cannon is being employed
1st off; Dejanews is your friend www.dejasnews.com as this has been
discused earlier
secondly
FOX 1=passive radar seeker missile (AIM-7)
FOX 2=infared missile (AIM-9)
FOX 3=active radar missle (AIM-54, AIM-120)
I may be getting fox 1 and 2 mixed up
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Sk8r Steve <sk...@access.digex.net> wrote:
>secondly
>
>FOX 1=passive radar seeker missile (AIM-7)
Semi-active radar homing
>FOX 2=infared missile (AIM-9)
>FOX 3=active radar missle (AIM-54, AIM-120)
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Ed Rasimus
"José Herculano" <herc...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>>fox one is usally a sidewinder (or similar misile)
>>fox two = AMRAAM
>>fox three = phoenix
>
>
>IIRC, 1 is Sidewinder, 2 is Sparrow, and 3 is either Phoenix or AMRAAM.
>
There are minor variations between USAF and Navy terminology, but at
the universal level, the Fox calls start with the employment of the
longest range missile and continue down to the shortest range weapon.
In the F-4 and F-15, the Fox 1 call was for the long range weapon, the
radar missile, i.e. Sparrow. When closer, the Fox 2 call signified
employment of the "heater" or Sidewinder. Fox 3 would be IAW the
brevity code for guns employment, but was seldom used. The preferred
call being "guns."
And, as others have stated, the joke was that the shortest range
weapon was ramming. And since the aircraft of the period was the F-4,
the appropriate call would be "Fox 4."
Only one aircraft that I can think of in US service ever carried 3
types of missiles at one time and that would be the Tomcat.
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I dont think they say this, except in the movies...
Fox 1 => firing guns
Fox 2 => firing a 'winder
Fox 3 => firing a radar guided missile (sparrow, phoenix, whatever)
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aVNeR wrote in message <68b1ph$6og$1...@news.NetVision.net.il>...
Ka On Lee
Fox this! Fox that! What do they use "fox"? Who came up with that? Is
it as offical as "Engaging enemy." or as unoffical as "We are mixing it
up!" ?
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In article <34a97383...@news.rmi.net>,
Ed Rasimus <thu...@rmii.com> wrote:
>Only one aircraft that I can think of in US service ever carried 3
>types of missiles at one time and that would be the Tomcat.
I know that F-15 at first wasn't supposed to carry both
AIM-7s and AIM-120s, but can't they now?
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Basically Mark's right, except Fox 2 is for IR Missiles and Fox 3 is for Radar
missiles
Alex Talarides
John Anglin wrote:
> On 30 Dec 1997 14:51:29 GMT, dan-...@usa.net (aVNeR) wrote:
>
> >i think because the type of the missle
> >can some1 plz tell me ?
> >Bye
> >Dan Ilan
>
> right.
>
> fox one is usally a sidewinder (or similar misile)
> fox two = AMRAAM
> fox three = phoenix
Actually that's totally wrong. Fox 1= AIM-7 Sparrow Launch
Fox2= AIM=9 Sidewinder
Launch
Fox 3= AIM-120 AMRAAM
launch for the Air Force and Navy F/A-18's, and AIM-54 Phoenix for the
Navy F-14's.
Yannick Fournier
It seems that
Fox 2 is for the Sidewinders,
Fox 1 is for the AMMRAM's
Fox 3 is for the Phoenix (for the Tomcat at least).
Yannick Fournier
Ed Rasimus
Ka On Lee <ko...@engsoc.carleton.ca> wrote:
>Fox this! Fox that! What do they use "fox"? Who came up with that? Is
>it as offical as "Engaging enemy." or as unoffical as "We are mixing it
>up!" ?
"Fox" as a shortened form of the phonetic alphabet noun for the letter
"F" which is "Foxtrot". It signifies that a missile has been "Fired".
The standard terminology for "engaging the enemy" is, logically
enough, "Engaged."
José Herculano
>Only one aircraft that I can think of in US service ever carried 3
>types of missiles at one time and that would be the Tomcat.
And the Eagle ;-) it is common to have a mix of Sparrow, Sidewinders and
Slammers. I've seen several cases of 4 Sparrows on the fuselage, and 1
Slammer (inner, by preference) and 1 Sidewinder (outter) by the wing pylons'
shoulder launchers. Also seen is Slammers on one side of the fuselage,
Sparrows on the other and 'Winders on the wings.
José Herculano
> Actually that's totally wrong. Fox 1= AIM-7 Sparrow Launch
> Fox2= AIM=9 Sidewinder
>Launch
> Fox 3= AIM-120 AMRAAM
>launch for the Air Force and Navy F/A-18's, and AIM-54 Phoenix for the
>Navy F-14's.
On the spot. That's it.
Gun One
In article <68b1ph$6og$1...@news.NetVision.net.il>, dan-...@usa.net (aVNeR) writes:
|> i think because the type of the missle
|> can some1 plz tell me ?
|> Bye
|> Dan Ilan
Take a look at http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~svhastel/text/pilotalk.htm
Tells you all you want to know about phraseology. It was a little difficult
to access just now, but I finally got in.
-gun one
Gun One
In article <34A921DC...@access.digex.net>, Sk8r Steve <sk...@access.digex.net> writes:
|> DANeKANELL wrote:
|> >
|> > IN AN INTERCEPTOR MISSION
|> >
|> > FOX ONE=A radar missile has been released from the aricraft.
|> > FOX TWO=An infared missile has been released from the aircraft.
|> > FOX THREEE=The aircrafts machine gun or cannon is being employed
|>
|> 1st off; Dejanews is your friend www.dejasnews.com as this has been
|> discused earlier
|>
|>
|> FOX 1=passive radar seeker missile (AIM-7)
|> FOX 3=active radar missle (AIM-54, AIM-120)
|>
|>
|> Guns are Guns
|>
You've got it right. One technicality, however .. the missile has not
been "released from the aircraft." The FOX call only means that the
trigger/button has been pressed. The correct call for the missile
leaving the aircraft is "Op away." There is normally a noticeable
delay between the trigger pull and the missile launch to give the
computer time to send initial guidance to the missile. These calls are
rarely used in the heat of combat, if EVER. And no, we don't take the
time to call out ANYthing if we're hosing the bad guy with 20mm (!).
-gun one
Gun One
In article <68c6s1$l81$1...@nnrp4.snfc21.pbi.net>, "Mark Petry" <mpe...@pacbell.net> writes:
|> I dont think they say this, except in the movies...
|>
|> Fox 1 => firing guns
|> Fox 2 => firing a 'winder
|> Fox 3 => firing a radar guided missile (sparrow, phoenix, whatever)
|>
Well, at least he mentioned his source.
In fact, the only place you'd hear these calls in real life (as in get one)
is on a missilex when the bad guy ain't shootin' back.
-gun one
BlackBeard
In article <68e0n4$m...@brown.telepac.pt>, "José Herculano"
<herc...@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>>Only one aircraft that I can think of in US service ever carried 3
>>types of missiles at one time and that would be the Tomcat.
>
>
>And the Eagle ;-) it is common to have a mix of Sparrow, Sidewinders and
>Slammers. I've seen several cases of 4 Sparrows on the fuselage, and 1
ummm.... I've been involved with test flights where the Hornet has HARMS,
'Winders and Sparrows.
BlackBeard
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José Herculano wrote:
>
> >Only one aircraft that I can think of in US service ever carried 3
> >types of missiles at one time and that would be the Tomcat.
>
> And the Eagle ;-) it is common to have a mix of Sparrow, Sidewinders and
> Slammers. I've seen several cases of 4 Sparrows on the fuselage, and 1
> shoulder launchers. Also seen is Slammers on one side of the fuselage,
> Sparrows on the other and 'Winders on the wings.
>
In the last few weeks of Desert Storm, F-15C's flew missions with the
former configuration (2 AMRAAMs on the inboard underwing rails).
--Chris Douglas
Paul Tomblin
In a previous article, thu...@rmii.com (Ed Rasimus) said:
>Ka On Lee <ko...@engsoc.carleton.ca> wrote:
>The standard terminology for "engaging the enemy" is, logically
>enough, "Engaged."
Make it so, Ed.
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I distinctly remember a b/w video footage from a f-14(gun video?)
engaging a Libyan MIG in which the pilot distinctly (and excitedly)
calls out "Fox Two." It appeared on some major network news show in
the late '80s or early '90s. Anybody remember the particulars? I know
for sure that this wasn't the first USN-Libyan AA engagement.
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Gun One (pie...@pat.mdc.com) wrote:
José Herculano
>ummm.... I've been involved with test flights where the Hornet has HARMS,
>'Winders and Sparrows.
I was assuming air-to-air only. Vipers also carry Harms, Sidewinders and
Slammers.
Ed Rasimus
nos...@yadda.yadda.yadda (BlackBeard) wrote:
>
>ummm.... I've been involved with test flights where the Hornet has HARMS,
>'Winders and Sparrows.
>
I should have specified "air-to-air" missiles. I've also been involved
with some widely mixed loads. Phantoms in SEA which started with
Sparrows on all missions could quickly fill the three missile criteria
if you added a Shrike and AIM-9s.
And it wouldn't be unusual to see a 105F or G with a Standard ARM, a
pair of Shrikes and a Snake or two outboard. --hardly an A/A
configuration, but then the Thunderchief always had a "bite" when the
MiG's came around.
Ed Rasimus
pie...@pat.mdc.com (Gun One) wrote:
>
>In fact, the only place you'd hear these calls in real life (as in get one)
>is on a missilex when the bad guy ain't shootin' back.
>
I'll agree that you may not hear or use the weapons employment calls
in "real life" but the habits of training are hard to overcome.
Certainly no one will sentence you to a month as squadron snacko if
you don't call a shot in combat, but IMHO, it is distinctly helpful to
the other folks in the arena when they hear a shot call and can
integrate that with what they are seeing.
Lots of things going on in combat can look like something they are
not. Missiles, in particular, show signatures that can be quite
startling if you don't know for certain what they are. That was the
reason Weasels in SEA nearly always called "shotgun" when launching
the Standard ARM--a missile that started horizontal then went vertical
looking much like a rising SAM. Ditto for "Shrike away" calls to
inform.
It even helped to have tank jettison calls as fuel streaming from a
falling tank can often create the fleeting impression of a missile in
flight.
If nothing else, the "fox" call lets the other players know a friendly
has fired, that the missile trail they are seeing is not hostile, and
it may even "time-stamp" the event and validate your kill.
Like chicken soup as a cold remedy, "it couldn't hurt."
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In article <EM2Go...@news.boeing.com>, pie...@pat.mdc.com (Gun One) wrote:
**In article <68c6s1$l81$1...@nnrp4.snfc21.pbi.net>, "Mark Petry"
<mpe...@pacbell.net> writes:
**|> I dont think they say this, except in the movies...
**|>
**|> Fox 1 => firing guns
**|> Fox 2 => firing a 'winder
**|> Fox 3 => firing a radar guided missile (sparrow, phoenix, whatever)
**|>
**
**
**Well, at least he mentioned his source.
**
**In fact, the only place you'd hear these calls in real life (as in get one)
**is on a missilex when the bad guy ain't shootin' back.
I seem to recall hearing the tape from second set of libyan shoot-downs
(the floggers) and the engagement calls were there, loud and clear...
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> >
> in "real life" but the habits of training are hard to overcome.
> Certainly no one will sentence you to a month as squadron snacko if
> you don't call a shot in combat, but IMHO, it is distinctly helpful to
> the other folks in the arena when they hear a shot call and can
> integrate that with what they are seeing.
>
> Lots of things going on in combat can look like something they are
> not. Missiles, in particular, show signatures that can be quite
> startling if you don't know for certain what they are. That was the
> reason Weasels in SEA nearly always called "shotgun" when launching
> the Standard ARM--a missile that started horizontal then went vertical
> looking much like a rising SAM. Ditto for "Shrike away" calls to
> inform.
>
> It even helped to have tank jettison calls as fuel streaming from a
> falling tank can often create the fleeting impression of a missile in
> flight.
>
> If nothing else, the "fox" call lets the other players know a friendly
> has fired, that the missile trail they are seeing is not hostile, and
> it may even "time-stamp" the event and validate your kill.
>
> Like chicken soup as a cold remedy, "it couldn't hurt."
>
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I was kinda surprised by the 'Shotgun' call; I thought that was Maverick
in DS and the ballisticated range profiles couldn't be farther apart?...
Also, to what extent does enemy monitoring and self-channel-sludge come
into play? Particularly for long range AAM/ARM shots I think their
might actually be a 'timely response' window for the COMINT people to
give warning on while I guess you can never have enough free airwave...
Thanks.
Testerman
Not quite - the radio comm phrases are essential for the formation to understand targeting
responsibilities. You would definitely hear the calls, although perhaps not in a calm,
movie-style voice.
Check 6
Pat
Gun One wrote:
> In article <68c6s1$l81$1...@nnrp4.snfc21.pbi.net>, "Mark Petry" <mpe...@pacbell.net> writes:
> |> I dont think they say this, except in the movies...
> |>
> |> Fox 1 => firing guns
> |> Fox 2 => firing a 'winder
> |> Fox 3 => firing a radar guided missile (sparrow, phoenix, whatever)
> |>
>
> Well, at least he mentioned his source.
>
> In fact, the only place you'd hear these calls in real life (as in get one)
> is on a missilex when the bad guy ain't shootin' back.
>
> -gun one
Testerman
Actually,
Fox 1 = Semi-Active Radar Homing (SARH) missile ("AIM-7")
Fox 2 = IR guided missile (AIM-9 "Sidewinder")
Fox 3 = Active Radar missile (AIM-54 "Phoenix" or AIM-120 "AMRAAM")
Check Six,
Pat
Gun One
I said:
>> In fact, the only place you'd hear these calls in real life (as in get one)
>> is on a missilex when the bad guy ain't shootin' back.
And then Ed said:
> I'll agree that you may not hear or use the weapons employment calls
> in "real life" but the habits of training are hard to overcome.
> Certainly no one will sentence you to a month as squadron snacko if
> you don't call a shot in combat, but IMHO, it is distinctly helpful to
> the other folks in the arena when they hear a shot call and can
> integrate that with what they are seeing.
Point conceded. I've re-run my MiG engagement (if you can call it
that) a thousand times in my mind, and I always seem to say "Fox
two, op away." Good training, as you say, carries over to the real
world.
-gun one
Krztalizer
>
>I seem to recall hearing the tape from second set of libyan shoot-downs>(the
floggers) and the engagement calls were there, loud and clear...
>
>
>/morten
>
an IR or RG missile), followed by the pilot yelling at the RIO to take the
second shot, but they can't *"Fox Two"*, because, as the RIO puts it so
eloquently, "I can't! I don't have an f***** tone!" (which refers to the growl
of the sidewinder's seeker head in your heardset).
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Jim Leko
Air-to-air weapons employment.
FOX ONE:
Simulated/actual launch of radar-guided missile.
FOX TWO:
Simulated/actual launch of infrared-guided missile.
FOX THREE:
Simulated/actual launch of AMRAAM/Phoenix missile.
FOX FOUR:
Bomber gunner has simulated firing on a target.
FOX MIKE:
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Howdy folks here's the real dope on the calls. These are USAF operation
brevity words.
Snapshot= high-angle or high line of sight gun shot
Fox I = simulated or actual launch of a semi-active radar guided missile
(AIM 7)
Fox II = simulated or actual launch of IR guided missile (AIM 9)
Fox III = simulated or actual launch of an active radar guided missile (AIM
120 AMRAAM or AIM 54 Phoenix)
Maddog = visual launch of AIM 120
Rifle = AGM 65 (Maverick) launch
Magnum = launch of friendly anti-radiation missile (HARM)
these calls are made to let friendlies in the area know that a missile is in
the air (help to let you friends know that a missile is on the way)
Buster = directive cal to fly at max continuous power (military)
Gate = directive/ to fly as quickly as possible (AB/Max Power)
Bruiser = friendly air launched anti-ship missile
gadget = radar or emitter equipment
Greyhound = friendly ground attack cruise missile
Judy = aircrew has visual or radar contact on the correct target, has taken
control of intercept and only requires situational awareness info
Music = electronic radar jamming (on Air Intercept radar)
Raygun = radar lock on unknown aircraft
Shotgun = Prebriefed weapons state at which separation/bug out should begin
Sqwauk = operating the IFF
Sweet = valid response to IFF check (opposite of Sour)
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